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RIP to them both

the fuck?

how does that happen twice in one night

Alteres posted...

the fuck?

how does that happen twice in one night

They most likely had trauma from training camp and the pre-fight medical exam didn't catch it.

undiagnosed previous concussions? or are we looking at loaded gloves?

Doesn't have to be a specific reason.

Boxing is a dangerous sport with serious injuries and deaths. Sometimes they happen in clusters.

ai123 posted...

Doesn't have to be a specific reason.

Boxing is a dangerous sport with serious injuries and deaths. Sometimes they happen in clusters.

sure but when you see a cluster of deaths its worth looking into. could be nothing. could be cheating.

monkmith posted...

sure but when you see a cluster of deaths its worth looking into. could be nothing. could be cheating.

It's pretty unlikely these days. Boxing did have a problem with doctored hand wraps up until surprisingly recently but a series of scandals led to changes. Hand wrapping has to be done with a member of the opponent's team watching now and the wraps are kept afterwards so they can be examined. Doctoring them is virtually impossible now and the Japan Boxing Commission in particular is notoriously strict about enforcement of the rules.

Severe weight cuts are a very likely culprit. Dehydrating the brain like that can be the difference between life and death.

Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...

Severe weight cuts are a very likely culprit. Dehydrating the brain like that can be the difference between life and death.

This is very true. There are also a handful of other possibilities, and it could just be poor luck that it happened twice.

Back to bare knuckles, you can't punch someone to death with a broken hand.

Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...

Severe weight cuts are a very likely culprit. Dehydrating the brain like that can be the difference between life and death.

I used to box, so while I get this, I would point out that extreme weight cuts are very common in the sport, while deaths are extraordinarily rare. Two fighters from the same card both dying is borderline unheard of, so there has to be a culprit more than just fairly routine catch weight shenanigans. Their gym was doing something fucked up, or the doctor missed something, or the fights were allowed to go on for too long, or some combo and more, no clue.

There had to be a cacophony of fuckups or this is a one in a billion pairing of horribly dumb luck.

DragulaRULEZ posted...

Back to bare knuckles, you can't punch someone to death with a broken hand.

You can absolutely punch someone to death or incapacitation with your bare hands as a trained fighter

it is less likely to result in severe head trauma though because as you said, your hands will be destroyed if you go for it.

K181 posted...

I used to box, so while I get this, I would point out that extreme weight cuts are extremely common in the sport, while deaths are extraordinarily rare. Two fighters from the same card both dying is borderline unheard of, so there has to be a culprit more than just fairly routine catch weight shenanigans. Their gym was doing something fucked up, or the doctor missed something, or the fights were allowed to go on for too longer, or some combo and more, no clue.

I box currently (not engaging in a pissing contest btw, just a friendly recognition) and while you bring up good points, fighters have died from extreme weight cuts before so saying it's already a common practice in the sport doesn't reduce that being a factor in my eyes. Two boxers dying in the same night is crazy no matter what the reason. I watched some of Kotari's fight and didn't see any terrible reffing or stoppage there.

DragulaRULEZ posted...

Back to bare knuckles, you can't punch someone to death with a broken hand.

Well, it's not so much the blunt trauma of the weighted gloves as it makes it so much easier to cause their brain to bounce around in their skull if you hit them on the chin right.

But in any case, it was probably weight cutting. Although I hear some Japanese boxers spar way too hard and they could have been sparring without helmets like literal days before their fights, on top of not listening to their bodies.