LogFAQs


Current Events > For all of Star Trek Voyager's vaults, I think The Doctor is the best doc in ST

Topic List
Page List: 1
JKwaffle
08/13/25 1:00:07 AM
#1:


Dont get me wrong, I love me some Bones. Crusher is decent, Pulaski is ok. Bashir and the guy for Enterprise are fine. But Voyagers Doctor has such a good blend of sassiness, genuine character depth, and just a damn good character arc. Voyager has some rough spots, but the Doctor is a legit great ST character.

---
- The user formerly known as WafflehouseJK
... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe
08/13/25 1:03:56 AM
#2:


Bashir was imo kinda boring on first watch but on rewatch he is subtly a pillar of the show because his jovial personality is a counterweight to the oppressive atmosphere of the station and all the depressed / stressed out / frustrated officers.

Also the like romantic undertones between him and Garak went completely over my head the first time but then on rewatch it was hitting me with a hammer

---
https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY
... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus
08/13/25 1:06:39 AM
#3:


Voyager's Doctor is the best in the franchise yes. He's coming back for Starfleet Academy.

---
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer
08/13/25 1:07:57 AM
#4:


Because of Paramount being shitty, I haven't seen SNW at all, but I hear M'Benga getting a lot of love as that series' doctor.

And Culber was pretty damn good on DISCO, but that might be more that Wilson Cruz is just a joy to watch and not how the doctor was specifically written?

---
What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead
Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3
... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer
08/13/25 1:08:34 AM
#5:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Voyager's Doctor is the best in the franchise yes. He's coming back for Starfleet Academy.

He also made a return in Prodigy, too, right? Been a while since I watched.

---
What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead
Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3
... Copied to Clipboard!
MotaroRIP619
08/13/25 1:38:46 AM
#6:


I liked Beverly Crusher, but I have only seen TNG, I heard people dont like her as much in Picard. That episode where she has to remember the crew was turnt.

In DS9 Bashir is great as well, just for the quality of DS9 I have to put him a bit above The Doctor because I could not finish Voyager yet

Conceptually, The Doctor is amazing though, and I was really impressed with the actor and the way they executed it at first. I only watched the first 4 and a half seasons or so though and the writing is really shitty, and they even abandon a lot of his plot development at points, so I cant quite call him the best.
... Copied to Clipboard!
#7
Post #7 was unavailable or deleted.
Tyranthraxus
08/13/25 1:59:12 AM
#8:


The episode where Neelix leaves Voyager is honestly the peak of the series for me. The series finale felt like crap by comparison.

---
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy
08/13/25 2:13:02 AM
#9:


The Doctor almost singlehandedly makes Voyager an enjoyable show.
... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon
08/13/25 2:17:42 AM
#10:


Tyranthraxus posted...
The series finale felt like crap by comparison.

Yeah it literally went against the major theme of the show

---
If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!!
... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002
08/13/25 3:51:11 AM
#11:


I think I'd agree tbh.

---
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me
... Copied to Clipboard!
Amakusa
08/13/25 4:14:45 AM
#12:


refmon posted...
Yeah it literally went against the major theme of the show
Not to mention the plot tumor of the Seven-Chakotay romance that barely had any buildup. I mean, sure, we had Seven earlier in the series 'experiment' with Holodeck Chakotay, but the thing in Endgame came out of flippin nowhere.

The thing that is odd, though, is ST Prodigy is actually a competent follow-up to Voyager, particularly since Janeway is one of the main characters on the show (albeit a holographic advisor)

---
I will rule the world, and find that truly good cup of coffee.
... Copied to Clipboard!
PballDepot
08/13/25 5:02:23 AM
#13:


Yeah I loved how with The Doctor it was one of the first clever looks into the foibles of artificial intelligence, more so than with Data who's arcs were mostly about him just trying to understand human emotions.


---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVhRWBGOZ0
... Copied to Clipboard!
JKwaffle
08/13/25 12:25:28 PM
#14:


Just realized I said vaults instead of faults :/

---
- The user formerly known as WafflehouseJK
... Copied to Clipboard!
Accolon
08/13/25 12:41:43 PM
#15:


EMH is one of the best Trek characters, hands down.

---
http://i.imgur.com/XAMp8.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Cartoon_Quoter
08/13/25 12:46:59 PM
#16:


Every (regular) doctor in the franchise is great.

---
I apologize for nothing!
... Copied to Clipboard!
elizajanegirl
08/13/25 12:50:19 PM
#17:


I am so against the grain in that Voyager is my fav ST. And I did love the Doctor. Plus he was funny in Back to School for that brief moment he was in! haha

---
Just a girl in the great big world
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/elizajanegrl-1487/hero/76174370
... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaldrenthebold
08/13/25 12:52:50 PM
#18:


Bashir is one of my faves, especially his character change half way through. He seems super annoying at first, but after a re-watch, you can tell why he's acting that way and it rounds him out more.

---
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u223/chocolateFRESH/arts/kraid.png - Thanks GP cosmonaut!
http://i.imgur.com/TuJWAR8.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus
08/13/25 12:57:05 PM
#19:


refmon posted...
Yeah it literally went against the major theme of the show

Also the time cops who were literally introduced a few episodes earlier were suddenly ok with Janeway doing that bullshit.

---
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe
08/13/25 1:00:53 PM
#20:


Kaldrenthebold posted...
Bashir is one of my faves, especially his character change half way through. He seems super annoying at first, but after a re-watch, you can tell why he's acting that way and it rounds him out more.
It's funny since the actor was very resistant to the change at first, but it recontextualizes some older Bashir stories like him whinging about getting 2nd place in that medical test

---
https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY
... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatEscape
08/13/25 1:02:17 PM
#21:


he's alright, he's also made better by the fact that VOY has a lot of shit characters.

DnDer posted...
Because of Paramount being shitty, I haven't seen SNW at all, but I hear M'Benga getting a lot of love as that series' doctor.

And Culber was pretty damn good on DISCO, but that might be more that Wilson Cruz is just a joy to watch and not how the doctor was specifically written?

Agree with both of these, M'Benga is great, a bit of a weird backstory but i like how they play with it. And he's fantastic with Chapel too. Culber is also great, Disco has a lot of problems but i do think it has a lot of fun characters including Culber

---
The user formerly known as RogerHuxley
... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus
08/13/25 1:03:22 PM
#22:


I really did not like that Chapel / Spock tangent at all and hopefully it stays dead.

---
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
darkmaian23
08/13/25 1:03:42 PM
#23:


DnDer posted...
Because of Paramount being shitty, I haven't seen SNW at all, but I hear M'Benga getting a lot of love as that series' doctor.
M'Benga is the best Star Trek doctor hands down, and is now one of my overall favorite characters.

---
Cuteness is justice! It's the law.
... Copied to Clipboard!
elizajanegirl
08/13/25 1:44:21 PM
#24:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I really did not like that Chapel / Spock tangent at all and hopefully it stays dead.
They certainly didn't do any justice to that whole thing with her character. It does need to stay gone.

---
Just a girl in the great big world
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/elizajanegrl-1487/hero/76174370
... Copied to Clipboard!
#25
Post #25 was unavailable or deleted.
lilhurk1985187
08/13/25 3:12:28 PM
#26:


Nobody is better than McCoy.

---
When the people of a society agree that sacrificing a child is acceptable collateral damage then it has
become a society that's not worth saving.
... Copied to Clipboard!
JKwaffle
08/13/25 8:09:38 PM
#27:


TheGreatEscape posted...
he's alright, he's also made better by the fact that VOY has a lot of shit characters.

Agree with both of these, M'Benga is great, a bit of a weird backstory but i like how they play with it. And he's fantastic with Chapel too. Culber is also great, Disco has a lot of problems but i do think it has a lot of fun characters including Culber
Honestly the only character that super duper sucks is Neelix; all the rest of them have lots of good moments throughout, I just really wish the writing team for Voyager had any fucking clue how to keep characters and arcs consistent, almost every character has multiple moments of total whiplash in their development that does a pretty big disservice to pretty much every character. The Doctor def gets hit the least with writing issues, but even he didnt walk away unscathed.

I need to watch more SNW, Ive only seen a couple eps but I already love MBenga.

Also hope youre doing well man, its been a long time.

---
- The user formerly known as WafflehouseJK
... Copied to Clipboard!
JKwaffle
08/13/25 8:11:03 PM
#28:


lilhurk1985187 posted...
Nobody is better than McCoy.
McCoy is the standard that all other doctors are held to, so I get it. But The Doctor just stands out in such a unique way over the other ST docs. But I cant be mad at anyone who prefers Bones, I definitely get it.

---
- The user formerly known as WafflehouseJK
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl
08/13/25 8:30:09 PM
#29:


The Doctor is definitely good. Robert Picardo is a fantastic actor and that goes a long way but also the concept was a smart way to have a character who is an artificial life form without it just being a retread of Data.

One episode I like that I don't see talked about much is the one where the Doctor creates a holographic family. It's interesting how he completely misses the point at first and it's when B'Elanna reprograms them that he actually learns something because in reality you can't just program a perfect family for yourself and you have to take people as they are.

---
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu
08/13/25 8:43:35 PM
#30:


JKwaffle posted...
the guy for Enterprise


---
If you need the threat of eternal damnation to be a good person, you're just a bad person on a leash.
... Copied to Clipboard!
JKwaffle
08/13/25 8:46:29 PM
#31:


Lmao, I was wondering when someone would say something about that. 30 posts tracks for Enterprise.

I actually dont hate Enterprise, but I havent seen it since I was like, 13 years old and dont remember it that well.

---
- The user formerly known as WafflehouseJK
... Copied to Clipboard!
PballDepot
08/13/25 9:08:27 PM
#32:


JKwaffle posted...
Lmao, I was wondering when someone would say something about that. 30 posts tracks for Enterprise.

I actually dont hate Enterprise, but I havent seen it since I was like, 13 years old and dont remember it that well.

You should really rewatch it, it aged pretty well especially with being in HD.

I just rewatched all of the series recently and enjoyed it more than Voyager.

---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVhRWBGOZ0
... Copied to Clipboard!
MotaroRIP619
08/13/25 9:32:53 PM
#33:


UnsteadyOwl posted...
The Doctor is definitely good. Robert Picardo is a fantastic actor and that goes a long way but also the concept was a smart way to have a character who is an artificial life form without it just being a retread of Data.

One episode I like that I don't see talked about much is the one where the Doctor creates a holographic family. It's interesting how he completely misses the point at first and it's when B'Elanna reprograms them that he actually learns something because in reality you can't just program a perfect family for yourself and you have to take people as they are.

I will have to watch that episode. Maybe instead of trying to get through Voyager I should just cherry pick the gold episodes?

An episode that really frustrated me was one where the Doctor had missing memory shit going on and had a whole existential crisis so they wiped his data, and they like never mentioned it again. The continuity could be really weird at times.

... Copied to Clipboard!
JKwaffle
08/13/25 9:59:17 PM
#34:


UnsteadyOwl posted...
The Doctor is definitely good. Robert Picardo is a fantastic actor and that goes a long way but also the concept was a smart way to have a character who is an artificial life form without it just being a retread of Data.

One episode I like that I don't see talked about much is the one where the Doctor creates a holographic family. It's interesting how he completely misses the point at first and it's when B'Elanna reprograms them that he actually learns something because in reality you can't just program a perfect family for yourself and you have to take people as they are.
I agree that its an underrated episode. I remember watching it as a teenager and it definitely had an impact.

---
- The user formerly known as WafflehouseJK
... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu
08/13/25 10:26:00 PM
#35:


JKwaffle posted...
Lmao, I was wondering when someone would say something about that. 30 posts tracks for Enterprise.

I actually dont hate Enterprise, but I havent seen it since I was like, 13 years old and dont remember it that well.
I tried watching it when it first aired, don't think I got through season 2. Can't remember why I stopped.

---
If you need the threat of eternal damnation to be a good person, you're just a bad person on a leash.
... Copied to Clipboard!
PballDepot
08/13/25 10:38:44 PM
#36:


MotaroRIP619 posted...
Maybe instead of trying to get through Voyager I should just cherry pick the gold episodes?

The only problem with that is sometimes even a bad ep might have a great side story. I find it's better to watch them all and just skip through the bad parts.

---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVhRWBGOZ0
... Copied to Clipboard!
MotaroRIP619
08/13/25 10:42:44 PM
#37:


PballDepot posted...
The only problem with that is sometimes even a bad ep might have a great side story. I find it's better to watch them all and just skip through the bad parts.

I have tried to watch Voyager like 5 times, its just not clicking. Although my dad was sick so its been rough. I made it through the original series, TNG and DS9 quickly though. It just feels like a bad UPN/WB show.

It did seem to be getting better now that Seven joined though
... Copied to Clipboard!
PballDepot
08/13/25 10:53:14 PM
#38:


MotaroRIP619 posted...
I have tried to watch Voyager like 5 times, its just not clicking. Although my dad was sick so its been rough. I made it through the original series, TNG and DS9 quickly though. It just feels like a bad UPN/WB show.

It did seem to be getting better now that Seven joined though

Yeah there's some great highs in Voyager. but you gotta get through plenty of lows to get to 'em. The only sure bet is that any ep centered around The Doctor will be pretty good.

And yeah the show does improve once Seven shows up, although it can get a little tiresome the way she tends to take center stage in nearly every ep.

---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVhRWBGOZ0
... Copied to Clipboard!
JKwaffle
08/14/25 1:07:17 PM
#39:


008Zulu posted...
I tried watching it when it first aired, don't think I got through season 2. Can't remember why I stopped.
I remember loving it as a kid, but my girlfriend and most Trekkie friends of mine hate it. I think thats partly for just the theme song though lol.

---
- The user formerly known as WafflehouseJK
... Copied to Clipboard!
TomClark
08/14/25 2:52:53 PM
#40:


DnDer posted...
He also made a return in Prodigy, too, right? Been a while since I watched.

He did, yeah.

Bob Picardo is the first person to be a series regular in three separate Trek shows (Michael Dorn probably should have been, technically, but he was listed as a special guest star in Picard).

---
http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif
... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatEscape
08/14/25 3:23:25 PM
#41:


JKwaffle posted...
Honestly the only character that super duper sucks is Neelix; all the rest of them have lots of good moments throughout, I just really wish the writing team for Voyager had any fucking clue how to keep characters and arcs consistent, almost every character has multiple moments of total whiplash in their development that does a pretty big disservice to pretty much every character. The Doctor def gets hit the least with writing issues, but even he didnt walk away unscathed.

I need to watch more SNW, Ive only seen a couple eps but I already love MBenga.

Also hope youre doing well man, its been a long time.

you're definitely right about the lack of consistency but i still think Chakotay and Tuvok are mostly shit. Paris too. I guess, to be fair, I should eventually give VOY another fair shot but i just couldn't care about it last time I tried and it's been a while.

SNW is worth sticking with, it's a lot of fun, the cast is great. it's not perfect but it's a good return to form after Disco. I need to check the new season.

i'm aight! i lurk here once in a while. hope you're fine too!

---
The user formerly known as RogerHuxley
... Copied to Clipboard!
Gray_Areas
08/14/25 3:29:39 PM
#42:


JKwaffle posted...
the guy for Enterprise [is] fine
I will not stand for this Phlox slander!

But yes, the EMH is fantastic and Robert Picardo does a wonderful job playing the character. Honestly, pretty much all of the doctor characters in Star Trek are really great, though I think Crusher is one of the weaker characters in TNG.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1