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VintageGin 08/15/25 1:11:29 PM #1: |
I'm glad I didn't quit this show in S1, because damn, that episode was very good --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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guffguy89 08/15/25 1:12:32 PM #2: |
Tales of Ba Sing Se? I had that episode in my top 10 tv episodes of all time write up I did a few months ago. Very strong episode to a very good series. --- Don't mind me. I'm just here for the contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AuraChannelerCh 08/15/25 1:12:39 PM #3: |
You mean Aang's saga is very good. --- TSSEWC Update - Special Preview: Von Encounter www.fanfiction.net/s/4112682/222/The-Subspace-Emissary-s-Worlds-Conquest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_Rocks 08/15/25 1:13:30 PM #4: |
VintageGin posted... I'm glad I didn't quit this show in S1, because damn, that episode was very good It absolutely wrecked me. I only watched it the first time a few months back. --- Not to be confused with XIII_Minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SeabassDebeste 08/15/25 1:24:58 PM #5: |
are you talking about "city of walls and secrets" or "tales from ba sing se"? both incredible eps! and i'm also glad i didn't drop this show in S1, wasn't easy but S2/3 are so worth it --- yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pirateking2000 08/15/25 1:27:39 PM #6: |
Yeah season 2 in particular is top tier stuff --- XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2 "There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make **** up to cover their ass." - Hazama ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackMageJawa 08/15/25 1:47:19 PM #7: |
I hear there's some sort of conflict going on there, is that true? --- The shattered stage is set and there's a role you must fulfil ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/15/25 1:49:40 PM #8: |
SeabassDebeste posted... are you talking about "city of walls and secrets" or "tales from ba sing se"? both incredible eps! Was specifically talking about City of Walls and Secrets, but also just watched Tales from Ba Sing Se and liked it quite a bit as well. It's kind of impressive how much of a step up S2 has been, and I think City of Walls and Secrets has been a major turning point for me in terms of how I feel about the show. I think S1 did some good (and necessary) worldbuilding which definitely provided a foundation for S2 to grow from. But the characters in S1 are difficult to like, and each episode felt like a standalone "The Aang Gang meets someone new, solves a problem/learns a lesson, then defeats/escapes from Fire Nation soldiers." I am curious if there was a change in writers or budget or something else between S1 and S2? --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SeabassDebeste 08/15/25 2:03:48 PM #9: |
i think my feelings shifted right away in s2 but in particular when toph joins! --- yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/15/25 2:06:22 PM #10: |
BlackMageJawa posted... I hear there's some sort of conflict going on there, is that true? There is a lot less conflict between the characters, which is nice. Is it me, or does the show's tone shift a lot after the first season? No annoying fights among the gang lately (well, still some-- but less). War and its consequences have been more of a focus. In the first season, we saw some of those consequences, but it wasn't felt as much. Ba Sing Se is peaceful though. --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grand_Kirby 08/15/25 2:10:47 PM #11: |
VintageGin posted... I am curious if there was a change in writers or budget or something else between S1 and S2?I think it's the nature of how the show was designed to expand. Once you start getting closer to the end of the series, it's becomes significantly more apparent how much the show creators had planned from the very beginning. A large part of what made Avatar a great show was how much thought was put into the world and the story from the start, and how that was allowed to grow and pay off over each season. --- Okay, I rolled a 14. What's that mean? Hsu That you're a cheater. This is a 12-sided die. Chan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 08/15/25 2:11:13 PM #12: |
honestly you should probably abandon your own topic now before some idiot spoils shit --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 08/15/25 2:11:45 PM #13: |
WazzupGenius00 posted... honestly you should probably abandon your own topic now before some idiot spoils shit --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 08/15/25 2:18:05 PM #14: |
Tag, and I would like this to be a watch through topic so please no one come even close to posting spoilers. I love everything about ATLA but tbh I do skip to S2 on rewatches. It's flawless. I think the episode that grabs most people is The Drill. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/15/25 2:18:17 PM #15: |
I think I've already seen some pretty major spoilers over the years just from Avatar discussion bleeding into other areas. I don't know the specifics (and there still might be some things I don't know about), but I am slightly less concerned about spoilers-- still trying to avoid where I can though. --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/15/25 4:38:40 PM #16: |
Okay, I was not expecting an Appa POV episode. Nor was I expecting it to be so emotional. --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pyresword 08/15/25 5:09:15 PM #17: |
Season 2 is definitely when Avatar goes from good to generational. --- I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punnyz 08/15/25 5:18:31 PM #18: |
Yea Season 1 has the honor of doing alot of world building. I personally don't think its bad, but when looking back from season 2, its clear they get their footing, its amazing --- https://i.imgur.com/qBpLe47.png http://i.imgur.com/25MHSn1.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_Rocks 08/15/25 5:23:24 PM #19: |
S2 also has Azula, who I loved from the first scene she was in and became my favourite character in the show She elevated it massively. I do think in general it had better episodes but for some reason the writers were just on fire whenever they wrote her dialogue --- Not to be confused with XIII_Minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wallmasterz 08/15/25 5:46:36 PM #20: |
I think 2 > 1 > 3 for me? Could use a rewatch --- I need to update my signature. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/15/25 5:56:50 PM #21: |
Azula is definitely a much more enjoyable villain than Zhao. Partly because she's just such an asshole, and partly because her teammates make things a lot more interesting. I like that they significantly change up what fights look like due to their gimmicks. Ty Lee's whole martial arts/pressure point gimmick is really neat and adds some cool tension with her ability to disable benders. Mai's ability to shoot arrows from her hands is also cool, but...how? That sort feels like it'd be an air-bending technique if anything. On a slightly different note, I like the stone gloves the Earth Kingdom soldiers use. It's a really clever and inventive weapon that also feels like it makes a lot of sense within the world. --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kotetsu534 08/15/25 6:03:58 PM #22: |
Azula is also just portrayed as a lot stronger and more threatening than Zhao, who Aang humiliates into burning his own ships midway through S1. He's a joke. And yeah the whole Ba Sing Se arc is exceptional. I was totally gripped (although I actually think Zuko Alone might be the best S2 episode). S1 has several more self-contained and rather silly episodes, even if the characterisation is very good. --- We are living our lives Abound with so much information ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 08/15/25 8:52:49 PM #23: |
That is really the main difference that people feel. S1 is relatively slice of life other than the beginning and end. S2 is extremely serialized. So the writers did not change, but I do suspect that Nickelodeon asked S1 to be more traditional rerunnable episodes, and when it succeeded they ordered both S2 and S3 at once, and allowed them to focus on a serial story. It's also around that time that serial TV was getting really big due to The Wire. People forget that before then, it was nearly impossible to do serial TV, let alone a serial kids series. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/16/25 2:03:50 PM #24: |
foolm0r0n posted... It's also around that time that serial TV was getting really big due to The Wire. Man, I was about to laugh at this and then I looked up how long ago Avatar came out. I could've sworn it was from the 2010s. --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bane_Of_Despair 08/16/25 2:07:42 PM #25: |
Well there is one from the 2010s... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2d2a4a10.jpg --- You were the cancer, that's all you'll ever be ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Maniac64 08/16/25 2:17:34 PM #26: |
Wow, thats a really impressive looking fake poster for a movie that definitely doesn't exist --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GenesisSaga 08/16/25 2:26:20 PM #27: |
2 > 3 > 1 for me as far as TLA seasons Not to say Book One: Water is bad by any means, but I don't think the series found its footing until Book Two: Earth, really. I'm not sure if it would have caught fire without Earth grinding it, all puns partially intended. --- That girl is poison... Never trust a big butt and smile :> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/16/25 2:30:46 PM #28: |
Anyway, watched through The Earth King. Some thoughts: -I guess Jet is dead? It's kind of funny how they have to be ambiguous about deaths due to this being a kid's show. But in a funny way it introduces a lot of uncertainty about who could actually be alive since all deaths are "off-screen" deaths. Zhao and Jet could very well pop up later (though not really expecting either if them to). -Uncle Iroh raising his voice for the first time with with Zuko was surprising, but warranted. Zuko needs to learn how to be less "literally obsessed". I kinda liked the blue spirit mask though. -Aang and crew making the entire Earth Kingdom defense force look like clowns was cool but also a little silly in how easy it was. -The need for everyone to suddenly split up felt a little contrived, as was Toph getting captured so easily. -Interested to see what happens with both the Dai Li and Azula's crew threatening to overthrow Ba Sing Se from within --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kotetsu534 08/16/25 2:51:42 PM #29: |
foolm0r0n posted... That is really the main difference that people feel. S1 is relatively slice of life other than the beginning and end. S2 is extremely serialized. I read a blog recently ( --- We are living our lives Abound with so much information ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 08/16/25 7:48:58 PM #30: |
Oh yeah the Sopranos was definitely the originator. I missed it completely. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 08/16/25 7:52:39 PM #31: |
I mean it was actually Babylon 5 and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Maniac64 08/17/25 11:46:34 AM #32: |
redrocket posted... I mean it was actually Babylon 5 and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.I was going to say. I was watching serialized shows before Sopranos. Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the X-Files are other examples. And Dr Who in the UK. Basically sci-fi and fantasy had already embraced it. --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wallmasterz 08/17/25 1:04:13 PM #33: |
Theres a big difference between the first serialized show and when it became mainstream Soap operas were serialized in the 50s/60s Primetime had serialized stuff in the late 70s Twin Peaks was big in the early 90s but serialization wasnt a trend yet It became more mainstream at the turn of the millennium with yes premium channel type stuff first (Sopranos) and then you can really point to the success of 24/Lost cementing it on main channels (ABC, CBS, FOX) by the mid 00s --- I need to update my signature. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 08/17/25 1:58:39 PM #34: |
24 was serial? I thought it was a Law and Order kinda thing --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/17/25 2:05:15 PM #35: |
foolm0r0n posted... 24 was serial? I thought it was a Law and Order kinda thing 24's whole gimmick was that each episode was an hour of one day so that you see everything progress in real-ish time --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Forceful_Dragon 08/17/25 2:23:06 PM #36: |
Maybe fool is thinking of "the first 48" --- ~C~ FD http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SeabassDebeste 08/17/25 4:22:53 PM #37: |
the real precedent to avatar isn't the live action dramas of the 90s and early 00s, it's the popularization in america of serialized anime like dragon ball, pokemon, and yugioh --- yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grand_Kirby 08/17/25 11:42:35 PM #38: |
Jackie Chan Adventures walked so that Avatar: The Last Airbender could run. --- Okay, I rolled a 14. What's that mean? Hsu That you're a cheater. This is a 12-sided die. Chan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punnyz 08/17/25 11:48:41 PM #39: |
VintageGin posted... -I guess Jet is dead? It's kind of funny how they have to be ambiguous about deaths due to this being a kid's show.This mindset might make you chuckle later --- https://i.imgur.com/qBpLe47.png http://i.imgur.com/25MHSn1.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punnyz 08/17/25 11:50:05 PM #40: |
Grand_Kirby posted... Jackie Chan Adventures walked so that Avatar: The Last Airbender could run.the problem with that show is that it basically just kept starting over "Lets get the 12 Macguffins!" each season --- https://i.imgur.com/qBpLe47.png http://i.imgur.com/25MHSn1.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Forceful_Dragon 08/18/25 12:46:32 AM #41: |
Who remembers pirates of dark water? That had a persisting plot to collect the magical whatever's. I don't think it ever got a proper ending though. --- ~C~ FD http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HanOfTheNekos 08/18/25 7:47:39 AM #42: |
I was always pretty sure that S2 of Avatar was so much better because Nickelodeon saw the success of S1, and trusted the showrunners enough to let them write the show as they wanted instead of kid-ifying it. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 08/18/25 7:56:14 AM #43: |
First of all, I saw the topic title and my mind went to the James Cameron films. Yeah though, TLA season 2 is excellent. You are in safe hands from here on. Speaking of the serialisation thing, yeah Twin Peaks is the big one for primetime dramas and genre shows. Which was itself taking it from night soaps. Avatar is probably the first successful serialised western kids animated show though? Not necessarily the first but the one that really broke out with serialised storytelling. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_Rocks 08/18/25 8:26:44 AM #44: |
Punnyz posted... This mindset might make you chuckle later Gin is past the Chin the Conqueror episode, right? Because that has one of my favourite moments in the whole show --- Not to be confused with XIII_Minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SeabassDebeste 08/18/25 8:36:59 AM #45: |
LightningStrikes posted... First of all, I saw the topic title and my mind went to the James Cameron films. one of those things you should just never admit --- yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punnyz 08/18/25 9:46:30 AM #46: |
XIII_Rocks posted... Gin is past the Chin the Conqueror episode, right? Because that has one of my favourite moments in the whole showI don't want to give it away but I was referring to something else --- https://i.imgur.com/qBpLe47.png http://i.imgur.com/25MHSn1.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punnyz 08/18/25 9:57:51 AM #47: |
Forceful_Dragon posted... Who remembers pirates of dark water?I remember the video game you could actually collect all of the whatevers but I don't remember if the game had a proper ending to the show or if the game came out during or after the show --- https://i.imgur.com/qBpLe47.png http://i.imgur.com/25MHSn1.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 08/19/25 12:23:32 PM #48: |
Finished S2. -The two dudes after Toph are probably the worst antagonists in the show. Toph's dad should have at least sent The Boulder. Did love Toph yelling, "I'm the greatest earthbender in the world!" and riding off. -The sudden about-face Zuko does in terms of personality after his fever felt a bit too drastic. Kinda glad it didn't really stick since it felt a bit like overwriting his character entirely. I'm sure we'll get to him changing sides eventually, hopefully in a way that feels a bit more natural. -"Azula always lies," and yet here we are, back to trusting Azula. -One complaint I have of the show is that, likely due to strict time constraints per episode/season, some of the scenes/events feel kinda rushed. It's been noticeable in certain moments where the scene cuts almost immediately after the last dialogue. But more recently, Aang speedrunning chakra unlocking felt a bit silly. -Sokka had no reaction to Toph metalbending? -Going into the avatar state to presumably save himself and Katara did not feel like "letting go of Katara". Maybe that's why he immediately got bolted. Always bolt the bird Aang. -I like that we finally got to see octopus form in use in battle. --- Gin Unflappable, unserious, unimportant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_Rocks 08/19/25 2:19:24 PM #49: |
Agree on the Chakra thing for sure. S1 finale was another one I felt at the time was very rushed. --- Not to be confused with XIII_Minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 08/19/25 4:36:10 PM #50: |
They tried to do so much so fast in the finale, but it's hard to criticize since it turned out so awesome. It's definitely silly in retrospect. But then you remember the alternative is modern prestige TV where barely anything happens in an entire 55 minute episode. (Honestly curious how the live action S2 will do this sequence.) And really, would a whole extra episode of Aang opening chakras really help? I appreciate that they went with all the actual chakras and didn't try to simplify it to like 3. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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