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Russia has won the Cold War

the cold war isn't even against russia it's against china

"They called us out on our wrongdoings so they must be eliminated"

They're incompetent so they'll probably only fire 2/5 of the staff.

She probably figures If you are running on half intelligence already, why would you need a full intelligence staff?

Sure would be nice if the CIA saw Trump as the enemy he is, especially after selling them out to Russia in his first term.

kirbymuncher posted...

the cold war isn't even against russia it's against china

Which makes it even more shameful and embarrassing that Russia came back and won the thing with nothing more that a few roomfuls of internet trolls.

Wondering what took her so long.

They probably had some.

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Yep

And the defenses of her have sure aged great!

I guess you could say she's removing the 'intelligence' from 'Intelligence Agencies.' *Badum tish*

Jokes aside I have to wonder how long Pine Gap is for the world. Doesn't seem like this regime even has the smarts to understand why you want to run spy agencies.

LightSnake posted...

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Yep

And the defenses of her have sure aged great!

Nearly 6 years ago. Got any more recent material?

reincarnator07 posted...

Nearly 6 years ago. Got any more recent material?

oh *please*.

Yeah , Sanders has been very quiet about her. Is that meant be a counter? He helped a fascist traitor rise to prominence but he never admitted he was wrong! Checkmate!

LightSnake posted...

oh *please*.

Yeah , Sanders has been very quiet about her. Is that meant be a counter? He helped a fascist traitor rise to prominence but he never admitted he was wrong! Checkmate!

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, people do not hold the same positions as they did 6 years ago? Shall we talk about all the Dems that have supported or enabled the current administration too with far more than tweets? Harris literally went to bat for someone that voted with Trump 93% of the time and seemed shocked that her endorsement didn't really do anything. I'm sure we could derail some topics with infighting and punching left.

where we're going, we dont need no intelligence!

1) Tulsi is a traitorous Russian asset POS like most of the GOP but also

2) it's half of the staff from ODNI specifically not the whole intelligence community. But who's to say that won't be the next step

reincarnator07 posted...

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, people do not hold the same positions as they did 6 years ago? Shall we talk about all the Dems that have supported or enabled the current administration too with far more than tweets?

Oh, right, it's JUST tweets. Bernie sanders only ever tweeted in defnese of Tulsi. He didn't accept her on as a campaign surrogate, promote her in the Sanders institute, endorse her in races.

And hey, you know what? Maybe he does think differently than he did 6 years ago! Maybe he should FUCKING SAY SO. you know: "I promoted Tulsi Gabbard and I was wrong to do it. She fooled me like she fooled you. Hillary Clinton was right about her being a Russian asset and I was wrong."

That'd be a fucking start. I don't even want to hear it otherwise when Sanders is the man most responsible for this fucking mosnter having the career she does. He was defending her when she took a trip paid for by fascists to excuse Bashar al-Assad from allegations of mass murder.

So no, he doesn't just get to shrug this shit off when he endorsed and defended her because she transparently used him as a stepping stone for more power and he continued to protect her for years after her full on turn to the right.

Harris literally went to bat for someone that voted with Trump 93% of the time and seemed shocked that her endorsement didn't really do anything. I'm sure we could derail some topics with infighting and punching left.

Oh, did Harris promise Liz Cheney a cabinet position? Did I miss that somehow? Did she say Liz Cheney should be elected senator or governor or did she let Liz Cheney say Democracy was important?

Biden let John Kasich endorse him and then Kasich spent the next four years sobbing about Biden running a progressive admin. And fuck's sake, none of us thought for a second Cheney or Kasich were anything but conservative as opposed to the Tulsi bullshit.

God, just admit Bernie Sanders fucked this up without equivocating on it and has never owned it without the whataboutism. And while I like neither Cheney nor Kasich, what they are not (unlike Gabbard) are literal fucking traitors and foreign assets. Something that was known in 2020. Defending and excusing it has no justification.

reincarnator07 posted...

Shall we talk about all the Dems that have supported or enabled the current administration too with far more than tweets?

Do you...

Do you think we don't?

LightSnake posted...

Oh, right, it's JUST tweets. Bernie sanders only ever tweeted in defnese of Tulsi. He didn't accept her on as a campaign surrogate, promote her in the Sanders institute, endorse her in races.

And hey, you know what? Maybe he does think differently than he did 6 years ago! Maybe he should FUCKING SAY SO. you know: "I promoted Tulsi Gabbard and I was wrong to do it. She fooled me like she fooled you. Hillary Clinton was right about her being a Russian asset and I was wrong."

That'd be a fucking start. I don't even want to hear it otherwise when Sanders is the man most responsible for this fucking mosnter having the career she does. He was defending her when she took a trip paid for by fascists to excuse Bashar al-Assad from allegations of mass murder.

So no, he doesn't just get to shrug this shit off when he endorsed and defended her because she transparently used him as a stepping stone for more power and he continued to protect her for years after her full on turn to the right.

Oh please, I guarantee you'll move the goalposts from there.

With the benefit of hindsight of course it was a mistake to work with her. Her defence of Assad also plagued her the whole time. Despite that, the policies she claimed to support made her a very logical choice to work with at the time. Not being funny but I think we both agree that the left sucks at building coalitions and purity testing, so this was a rare moment of putting that aside to win. Didn't work because the centrist are far better at that, but it is what it is.

If this is the level of purity testing you wish to see, I only hope you apply it to your people to.

Oh, did Harris promise Liz Cheney a cabinet position? Did I miss that somehow? Did she say Liz Cheney should be elected senator or governor or did she let Liz Cheney say Democracy was important?

Biden let John Kasich endorse him and then Kasich spent the next four years sobbing about Biden running a progressive admin. And fuck's sake, none of us thought for a second Cheney or Kasich were anything but conservative as opposed to the Tulsi bullshit.

God, just admit Bernie Sanders fucked this up without equivocating on it and has never owned it without the whataboutism. And while I like neither Cheney nor Kasich, what they are not (unlike Gabbard) are literal fucking traitors and foreign assets. Something that was known in 2020. Defending and excusing it has no justification.

Harris pivoted away from what was at the time a winning strategy (aka actually going on the offense) to try and court Republicans like Cheney who voted with Trump over 93% of the time. Biden did not. Bernie didn't either, although it's far to say he never won the primary and only had to focus on Dems

DrizztLink posted...

Do you...

Do you think we don't?

I think that LightSnake specifically does not.

reincarnator07 posted...

With the benefit of hindsight of course it was a mistake to work with her. Her defence of Assad also plagued her the whole time. Despite that, the policies she claimed to support made her a very logical choice to work with at the time.

I don't know man, even back then I was like "Why Tulsi Gabbard? Literally any other Democrat would be better."

I had no idea how terrible she would turn out to be, but it was already obvious that she sucked.

I love Bernie but that was one of his biggest blunders. Has he come out and said he was wrong? I haven't heard of any actual statement by him, but I'm ready to be proven wrong.

action52 posted...

I don't know man, even back then I was like "Why Tulsi Gabbard? Literally any other Democrat would be better."

I had no idea how terrible she would turn out to be, but it was already obvious that she sucked.

I love Bernie but that was one of his biggest blunders. Has he come out and said he was wrong? I haven't heard of any actual statement by him, but I'm ready to be proven wrong.

That's the thing, if you go purely by her policy positions, she wasn't bad at the time. Probably unelectable due to a mixture of being a left wing* Hindu woman and the Assad thing. Also not being funny but people were accusing everyone of being Russian assets at the time. I'll freely admit that 2020 me would absolutely have preferred her to most of the rest, albeit ignoring the fact that she absolutely wouldn't win no matter what. Bernie and Warren both were preferable. Knowing what we know now, obviously she's not even on the list anymore.

The closest I can think of is voting against her confirmation. Just to be clear, it was absolutely a mistake in hindsight and far from the first he made in 2020. I don't know how often he's been asked about this post 2024 though.

reincarnator07 posted...

Oh please, I guarantee you'll move the goalposts from there.

Okay, so he hasn't done this. Thanks for the confirmation.

With the benefit of hindsight of course it was a mistake to work with her. Her defence of Assad also plagued her the whole time. Despite that, the policies she claimed to support made her a very logical choice to work with at the time. Not being funny but I think we both agree that the left sucks at building coalitions and purity testing, so this was a rare moment of putting that aside to win. Didn't work because the centrist are far better at that, but it is what it is.

WIth the "benefit of hindsight?"

What were the green flags, exactly? Her being a raving bigot? Her growing up in a weird psycho cult? Her social conservatism? Her longstanding Russia apologia?

Here's a big reason the Left is so bad at coalition building: they're painfully easy to manipulate. For a while it was "say the magic policy words and we ignore all red flags." Sure, Gabbard's voting record and social advocacy was wholly opposed to what she suddenly claimed to support, but that didn't matter.

Her trip to Syria was in like 2017, btw. Despite this, when Gabbard decided to give a mass murdering dictator free propaganda, Sanders publicly defended her when she got called out.

If this is the level of purity testing you wish to see, I only hope you apply it to your people to.

I've called out every Dem who's voted for Trump's nominees, thanks

Harris pivoted away from what was at the time a winning strategy (aka actually going on the offense) to try and court Republicans like Cheney who voted with Trump over 93% of the time. Biden did not. Bernie didn't either, although it's far to say he never won the primary and only had to focus on Dems

Biden absolutely tried to win over Republicans in the primary. Harris's "offense" didn't make a difference since most people who voted for Trump weren't paying attention then.

Stop rewriting history. biden put an enormous emphasis on a "return to decency" and working with Republicans. He literally had John Kasich as a campaign surrogate. And Bernie? Bernie makes that a central platform of his ideology. He constantly promotes how he'll work with rural conservatives and can push the GOP into working with him. He's directly said so. Hence those "Bernie went to West Virginia to packed crowds!"

Which doesn't change that after Gabbard praised Russia for bombing hospitals and defended Assad after he dropped chemical weapons on civilians, that Bernie Sanders defended her. Period. Full stop.

So yeah, "I was wrong. Hillary Clinton was right. Tulsi gabbard is a Russian asset." Would be a start. Instead, Bernie ignored all her red flags and gave her a national platform. He is responsible for her elevation and never once has he taken responsibility.

reincarnator07 posted...

That's the thing, if you go purely by her policy positions, she wasn't bad at the time. Probably unelectable due to a mixture of being a left wing* Hindu woman and the Assad thing. Also not being funny but people were accusing everyone of being Russian assets at the time. I'll freely admit that 2020 me would absolutely have preferred her to most of the rest, albeit ignoring the fact that she absolutely wouldn't win no matter what. Bernie and Warren both were preferable. Knowing what we know now, obviously she's not even on the list anymore.

She had a bizarrely conservative voting record despite repping Hawaii. She was a homophobic cultist with a history of bad foreign policy positions. "She wasn't bad at the time" ignores the gigantic red flags she had because people let her fool them. She played the Left like a fiddle.

The closest I can think of is voting against her confirmation. Just to be clear, it was absolutely a mistake in hindsight and far from the first he made in 2020. I don't know how often he's been asked about this post 2024 though.

Excuse some of us for wanting a bit of accountability on this, I guess.

masterpug53 posted...

Which makes it even more shameful and embarrassing that Russia came back and won the thing with nothing more that a few roomfuls of internet trolls.

It really is embarrassing. The likes of Stalin and Khrushchev could only have dreamed of damaging the US national security apparatus to this extent.

LightSnake posted...

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Yep

And the defenses of her have sure aged great!

Oh fuck, I remember how much the progressive left was defending her back then for some reason.

hivebent4life posted...

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Russia has won the Cold War

It's not Russia that's coming out on top of all this, China is.

reincarnator07 posted...

Probably unelectable due to a mixture of being a left wing*

What?

Sir_Will posted...

What?

She talked the talk of left wing economic policies. It's questionable how many of those she believed in at the time going by how she is now.

reincarnator07 posted...

She talked the talk of left wing economic policies. It's questionable how many of those she believed in at the time going by how she is now.

her actual record was centrist to conservative. She transparently didnt believe in any of it.

how many times does this need to happen exactly? The same shit happened with Fetterman. Gabbard resigned a ceremonial position to sign on with Bernie at the height of Sandersmania as a stepping stone to power.

LightSnake posted...

her actual record was centrist to conservative. She transparently didnt believe in any of it.

how many times does this need to happen exactly? The same shit happened with Fetterman. Gabbard resigned a ceremonial position to sign on with Bernie at the height of Sandersmania as a stepping stone to power.

Didn't Sinema talk a bunch of progressive shit to get elected as well?

Heineken14 posted...

Didn't Sinema talk a bunch of progressive shit to get elected as well?

Yep. Hell she was a former Green Party activist.

Sinema isnt one you can really blame on anyone though. She had an advocacy record and Arizona was pretty right wing as opposed to. Hawaii

Gabbard was always full of shit, and the fact people today are still going "well gee now it's perhaps questionable how much of what she said she believed, today," is crazy, because the answer is literally none of it. Her record spoke for itself, but people ignored that because they found her attractive and just kept listening to and defending her lies. Hell, she literally started to pivot to saying Bernie and Warren were too far left, before she dropped out of the last primary.

LightSnake posted...

her actual record was centrist to conservative. She transparently didnt believe in any of it.

how many times does this need to happen exactly? The same shit happened with Fetterman. Gabbard resigned a ceremonial position to sign on with Bernie at the height of Sandersmania as a stepping stone to power.

HashtagSEP posted...

Gabbard was always full of shit, and the fact people today are still going "well gee now it's perhaps questionable how much of what she said she believed, today," is crazy, because the answer is literally none of it. Her record spoke for itself, but people ignored that because they found her attractive and just kept listening to and defending her lies. Hell, she literally started to pivot to saying Bernie and Warren were too far left, before she dropped out of the last primary.

It's easier to say this down the line with the benefit of hindsight. When I question how much she believed, it's only in the sense of "was it all lies or just some of it?"

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Oh fuck, I remember how much the progressive left was defending her back then for some reason.

Pretty sure it was centrists.

Snip-N-Snails posted...

Pretty sure it was centrists.

As a leftie, it was 100% the left. She was still to close to Bernie for the centrists.

reincarnator07 posted...

As a leftie, it was 100% the left. She was still to close to Bernie for the centrists.

That doesn't make any sense. She was the poster child of a DINO and was known for sympathizing more with conservatives and the right wing since at least 2016. Lots of Republicans used her as "one of the good Dems". Scott Cawthorn of FNAF infamy had her as the sole Democrat he donated to. Just because she was close to Bernie for a time doesn't change that. Do you think the berniebros who switched to Trump were progressive left too?

Snip-N-Snails posted...

That doesn't make any sense. She was the poster child of a DINO and was known for sympathizing more with conservatives and the right wing since at least 2016. Lots of Republicans used her as "one of the good Dems". Scott Cawthorn of FNAF infamy had her as the sole Democrat he donated to. Just because she was close to Bernie for a time doesn't change that. Do you think the berniebros who switched to Trump were progressive left too?

Just to be clear, 2020 Gabbard supported drug decriminalisation, an easier path to citizenship, the green new deal and renewable energy, was relatively pro choice, was quite firm on Wall St and wanted to reinstate Glass-Steagall, UBI, free community colleges funded by a tax on stocks and bonds, paid family leave and free pre-K, gun control, breaking up Big Tech companies and a whole host of other policies that would have the left salivating today if there was a viable candidate that supported those. It's absolutely fair to say that she was either lying about most of those or that her views would have been for sale, but most of the others didn't even talk the talk.

I don't think anyone that pivoted from that sort of platform to what she is now had strong beliefs.

reincarnator07 posted...

Just to be clear, 2020 Gabbard supported drug decriminalisation, an easier path to citizenship, the green new deal and renewable energy, was relatively pro choice, was quite firm on Wall St and wanted to reinstate Glass-Steagall, UBI, free community colleges funded by a tax on stocks and bonds, paid family leave and free pre-K, gun control, breaking up Big Tech companies and a whole host of other policies that would have the left salivating today if there was a viable candidate that supported those. It's absolutely fair to say that she was either lying about most of those or that her views would have been for sale, but most of the others didn't even talk the talk.

I don't think anyone that pivoted from that sort of platform to what she is now had strong beliefs.

Fair enough. I think the main thing is that she spoke a lot of left wing platitudes but they didnt align with her actions and she spoke a lot of other things that contradicted her alleged beliefs as well.