Current Events > Europe beginning to follow Trump and classify Antifa as terrorists

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https://bnonews.com/index.php/2025/09/dutch-parliament-adopts-motion-to-classify-antifa-as-a-terrorist-organization/

There is truly no hope for the world. Every country is captured to some extent.

Apparently Europe is just the Netherlands, now.

To move away from shitposting:

Contentious issue of migration
To understand what drove Dutch voters to the Freedom Party, one only has to look at what brought the last Rutte-led government down. After 13 years, Mark Rutte resigned as prime minister and VVD party leader and subsequently brought the government down over discussions on how to reduce migration.

Jesus fucking Christ, it's just migration everywhere, isn't it.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Apparently Europe is just the Netherlands, now.

It will only grow from here as more follow

hivebent4life posted...

It will only grow from here as more follow

It's thanks to capitalism, unsurprisingly. Capitalism is failing globally, which, just as it did in the 1900's, is giving rise to fascism. It's important to remember that fascism isn't a stable state, it inherently eats itself.

Billionaires have invested a fortune in spreading far right propaganda all over the world.

It's so depressing

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Jesus fucking Christ, it's just migration everywhere, isn't it.

It is a common topic in a lot of First World countries.

I discussed with some Europeans and they said the writing was on the wall about this cause and chances are that left parties will have to drop the pro-immigration stance to not risk losing.

I have always believed that democracy cannot coexist with a system that inherently gives most power to the rich and the more we enter late stage capitalism, the more correct I am proven

012yArthur0 posted...

It is a common topic in a lot of First World countries.

I discussed with some Europeans and they said the writing was on the wall about this cause and chances are that left parties will have to drop the pro-immigration stance to not risk losing.

Yup

"I'm pro-equal rights and immigration is proven by almost all data to be good for the economy and communities." is a vote loser

People want to hate.

The "Left" parties are now pretty much all right wing. They're just less hateful than the far right.

012yArthur0 posted...

It is a common topic in a lot of First World countries.

I discussed with some Europeans and they said the writing was on the wall about this cause and chances are that left parties will have to drop the pro-immigration stance to not risk losing.

oh please if the left drop immigration the right will spear head another boogieman to fearmonger like the lgbtq or poc which they are doing already
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and i would like to point out that a party moving right doesn't get them votes compared to the ultra right which the voters base always vote for them. as seen in UK where the so called ''left'' party that is labour threw immigrants and trans and still they are deeply unpopular with rightwing voters and all that did was bleed their voter base for throwing them under the buss

gikos posted...

oh please if the left drop immigration the right will spear head another boogieman to fearmonger like the lgbtq or poc which they are doing already
''edit''
and i would like to point out that a party moving right doesn't get them votes compared to the ultra right which the voters base always vote for them. as seen in UK where the so called ''left'' party that is labour threw immigrants and trans and still they are deeply unpopular with rightwing voters and all that did was bleed their voter base for throwing them under the buss

Afaik, the left in Denmark is doing it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mgkd93r4yo

If anti-immigration is popular or getting popular for the masses, doubling down on it is extremely risky. Hell, wasn't that the biggest reason for Brexit?

gikos posted...

oh please if the left drop immigration the right will spear head another boogieman to fearmonger like the lgbtq or poc which they are doing already
''edit''
and i would like to point out that a party moving right doesn't get them votes compared to the ultra right which the voters base always vote for them. as seen in UK where the so called ''left'' party that is labour threw immigrants and trans and still they are deeply unpopular with rightwing voters and all that did was bleed their voter base for throwing them under the buss

Yeah the Labour party being considered left wing is wild

They're pretty much what the Tories used to be.

hivebent4life posted...

system that inherently gives most power to the rich

There are systems that don't do this? Like real things that have been applied and remained stable?

I dunno what they hope to achieve. Antifa is not an organization, and if they REALLY want to go after people, good luck imprisoning literally hundreds of thousands of people.

BakonBitz posted...

I dunno what they hope to achieve. Antifa is not an organization, and if they REALLY want to go after people, good luck imprisoning literally hundreds of thousands of people.

That's the whole point, Antifa can mean whatever the hell they want it to mean which basically means those in power can slap that title on any of their opposition and disappear them with public approval

Is antifa an organized group or is it just a word that means anti-fascist? And what's the deal with classifying anti-fascists as terrorists? Hmmm

Antifa is anti-fascist. They are fascist. They declare antifa are terrorists. Since antifa isn't a structured group with member cards or whatever, anyone against them could be antifa. Freedom to declare anyone against them a terrorist.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Jesus fucking Christ, it's just migration everywhere, isn't it.

I think it's important to acknowledge and understand that overboard migration can cause problems. That doesn't mean I'm against migration (I'm not). It's just that countries and the people living there are only able to integrate a limited number of immigrants a year. So this isn't a question about whether you are for or against migration, but many european countries are at its limits and it's only natural to check what can be done to reduce migration. Not adressing it doesn't help, or rather, not adressing it only helps far-right parties.

I know what I'm talking about because Switzerland has roughly 25% foreigners living here. Luckily, we are a rich country, so foreigners living here have mostly high educational standards. They respect our culture and try to integrate in our society. The same can't be said to the same extent about other countries, though. Look at Germany, for example. Germany is a very social and family-friendly country, but more and more people there don't work anymore because they get financial aid anyway. That's why I can understand to some degree, why the working population there is somewhat pissed. It isn't fair to unload their frustration on immigrants only, sure, but it's also a fact that a certain percentage of immigrants there simply don't care about integrate themselves to the society and don't want to work for their living. It must be allowed to adress that in order to understand where the frustration is coming from. I think it's better when modest parties adress these problems openly and try to find solutions in a civilized manner, rather than leaving the topic in the hands of far-right parties.

gu-gohan posted...

I think it's important to acknowledge and understand that overboard migration can cause problems. That doesn't mean I'm against migration (I'm not). It's just that countries and the people living there are only able to integrate a limited number of immigrants a year. So this isn't a question about whether you are for or against migration, but many european countries are at its limits and it's only natural to check what can be done to reduce migration. Not adressing it doesn't help, or rather, not adressing it only helps far-right parties.

I know what I'm talking about because Switzerland has roughly 25% foreigners living here. Luckily, we are a rich country, so foreigners living here have mostly high educational standards. They respect our culture and try to integrate in our society. The same can't be said to the same extent about other countries, though. Look at Germany, for example. Germany is a very social and family-friendly country, but more and more people there don't work anymore because they get financial aid anyway. That's why I can understand to some degree, why the working population there is somewhat pissed. It isn't fair to unload their frustration on immigrants only, sure, but it's also a fact that a certain percentage of immigrants there simply don't care about integrate themselves to the society and don't want to work for their living. It must be allowed to adress that in order to understand where the frustration is coming from. I think it's better when modest parties adress these problems openly and try to find solutions in a civilized manner, rather than leaving the topic in the hands of far-right parties.

Exactly. I hate how people look at issues as if its a black or white thing.

hivebent4life posted...

I have always believed that democracy cannot coexist with a system that inherently gives most power to the rich and the more we enter late stage capitalism, the more correct I am proven

Yes. I read somewhere that some people who study political systems believe that all capitalism inevitably falls to fascism

Zikten posted...

Yes. I read somewhere that some people who study political systems believe that all capitalism inevitably falls to fascism

I don't think that's true. But I also think that the political system in the US is more prone to fall into fascism than social democracies like the ones we have in most nations in Europe. The two-party system is heavily flawed, when one of them drifts into fascism.

gu-gohan posted...

I don't think that's true. But I also think that the political system in the US is more prone to fall into fascism than social democracies like the ones we have in most nations in Europe. The two-party system is heavily flawed, when one of them drifts into fascism.

But Europe is also falling into fascism, so this doesnt track.

Zikten posted...

Yes. I read somewhere that some people who study political systems believe that all capitalism inevitably falls to fascism

The Nazis initially took power in Germany because the centrists sided with them over the leftists. This is often left out of history though. At the end of the day, all capitalists will choose fascism over any left of center economic policies.

gu-gohan posted...

I don't think that's true. But I also think that the political system in the US is more prone to fall into fascism than social democracies like the ones we have in most nations in Europe. The two-party system is heavily flawed, when one of them drifts into fascism.

It is true unless deliberate action is taken to course correct. Capitalism is not sustainable, there is only so high the numbers can go before it starts hurting the people. That point is after the owner class accumulates an unhealthy amount of power and wealth though. When the choice is between sacrificing some wealth and power for the good of the common man vs crushing the common man to drive the line ever higher, they will never give up their power.

hivebent4life posted...

But Europe is also falling into fascism, so this doesnt track.

I wouldn't go that far. Yes, the rise of right-parties is alarming and it's important to counter them. But contrary to the US, most countries have a broad variety of parties from far right to far left. In other words: It's much harder and less likely for a far right party to take over a nation and harm democracy as a whole in Europe, than it is in the US.

Still, it's alarming for sure. That's why it's important to win back the somewhat conservative but not necessarily far-right voters to the middle. You don't win them back by marginalizing them or by neglecting their concerns over migration. A stable democracy needs to hold out discussions over sensible topics as long as they are held in a civilized manner. That doesn't mean that there are no red flags. Far-right parties and politicians, who use the same rhetoric as the Trump administration, must be condemned. But it's important to not throw all conservative voters under the bus. Their concerns over topics like migration are maybe overblown, but they are real and a stable democracy must be able to adress these concerns and find solutions to reach agreements eventually. That's what democracy is about. It's easier to achieve that if you have more than just two parties.

kind9 posted...

Is antifa an organized group or is it just a word that means anti-fascist? And what's the deal with classifying anti-fascists as terrorists? Hmmm

I read the Wikipedia article on the subject, and it it seems like it technically exists and even has a symbol (that I've never seen in any news article or online post), but it is decentralized with no hierarchy or headquarters or anything like official membership. In essence, it sort of feels like a group that doesn't actually exist that now must be talked about as though it does because news anchors and talking heads have willed it into existence so they can lump people who disagree with them together for easy talking points. But if I'm wrong, someone can feel free to correct me.

gu-gohan posted...

I wouldn't go that far.

I would. The EU is trying to barrel ahead with Chat Control (require all online communication to be reviewed by AI with automatic police reporting and ending encryption), ProtectEU (mandatory data retention and police access to all internet connected devices), both of which are being spear-headed by a group of people whose names you aren't allowed to know, with politicians exempting themselves from any data collection. Combined with the rise of political extremism, it's just no good.

the country of europe does it again smh

Surprising nobody, Hungary also follows suit.

darkmaian23 posted...

I would. The EU is trying to barrel ahead with Chat Control (require all online communication to be reviewed by AI with automatic police reporting and ending encryption), ProtectEU (mandatory data retention and police access to all internet connected devices), both of which are being spear-headed by a group of people whose names you aren't allowed to know, with politicians exempting themselves from any data collection. Combined with the rise of political extremism, it's just no good.

I was referring to the rise of fascism in Europe.

The EU isn't the enemy. On the contrary, a responsibly EU consisting of moderate blocks is the best way to prevent the rise of fascism within their countries as well as to protect Europe against malicious foreign influence (Russia, Trump, China, et cetera).

As for Chat Control: The internet is not a lawless space. It is legitimate to explore ways to better protect the public from criminal activity. We don't want unregulated social media here in Europe, because it bears too many dangers and risks. Whether this chat control is the right way or not, I'm unable to say, as I haven't looked into it enough yet to hand down judgement.

But again, this wasn't the point.

You're just going to end up with restrictions, not necessarily a safer web or social media.

Starks posted...

You're just going to end up with restrictions, not necessarily a safer web or social media.

As I said, I haven't looked into it. I only judge something when I understand how it works. Generally, I'd say most people here are okay with restrictions if it means more security. But yeah, maybe we Swiss are seeing this differently than citizens of other countries. We are a small country, heavily depending on mutual understanding among us. We consider it as very important to protect ourselves from malicious foreign influence, even if it means to hand over more power to our institutions. They have proven themselves to take good care of the citizens since the founding of our nation. That's why our trust in them is there. So maybe I'm just seeing it from another perspective as you, from someone living in a very strong democracy. The EU is far from perfect, but it's the only way forward for Europe.

We are the Bizarro world, where anti-fascists are regarded as terrorists and fascists who actually commit or encourage acts of terror are regarded as heroes.

That doesn't bode well.

TraurigAberWahr posted...

That doesn't bode well.

France is in civil war right now. But you would be hard pressed to see it in the news

Scardude posted...

France is in civil war right now. But you would be hard pressed to see it in the news

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