Current Events > New poll shows dramatic decline in American support for Israel.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/polls/israel-gaza-war-us-poll.html

A majority of American voters now oppose sending additional economic and military aid to Israel, a stunning reversal in public opinion since the Oct. 7 attacks. About six out of 10 voters said that Israel should end its military campaign, even if the remaining Israeli hostages were not released or Hamas was not eliminated. And 40 percent of voters said Israel was intentionally killing civilians in Gaza, nearly double the number of voters who agreed with that statement in the 2023 poll.

You love to see it. I never imagined Id see this in my lifetime.

Jagus posted...

You love to see it. I never imagined Id see this in my lifetime.

I'm actually watching an NHK special on Palestine right now (they have a cameraman embedded in Gaza). I think the rise of social media, as much negative aspects as it has had, has allowed Americans to finally see things they normally would not. When you actually see video of IDF killing civilians you are able to dismiss the propaganda about them being "the most moral army".

ssjevot posted...

I'm actually watching an NHK special on Palestine right now (they have a cameraman embedded in Gaza). I think the rise of social media, as much negative aspects as it has had, has allowed Americans to finally see things they normally would not. When you actually see video of IDF killing civilians you are able to dismiss the propaganda about them being "the most moral army".

I still cant believe Israel calls itself that. Its like satire or something.

Alternative title: only 40% of Americans recognize that Israel is committing genocide

ZMythos posted...

Alternative title: only 40% of Americans recognize that Israel is committing genocide

Bold of you to assume there arent many americans willing to rationalize or defend it

ZMythos posted...

Alternative title: only 40% of Americans recognize that Israel is committing genocide

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6551b2ff.jpg
There's a large percentage that didn't know or didn't respond. So we end up with about 41% that either think they aren't intentionally killing civilians or are taking sufficient precautions. Hard to know which side would top 50% if they had been forced to choose.

Pretty surprising, but pretty positive, results.

FFTHEWINNER posted...

Pretty surprising, but pretty positive, results.

We also have a poll showing most support Palestinian statehood:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/5567904-most-in-us-support-palestinian-state-recognition-survey/

It's possible that once the old guard of pro-Israel not matter what politicians in the US government are replaced that the majority will be able to change course on US policy towards Israel.

ssjevot posted...

We also have a poll showing most support Palestinian statehood:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/5567904-most-in-us-support-palestinian-state-recognition-survey

Also pretty good news.

ssjevot posted...

It's possible that once the old guard of pro-Israel not matter what politicians in the US government are replaced that the majority will be able to change course on US policy towards Israel.

While that would be fantastic, I sadly think it is also fantastical. I think the US in particular would never significantly change course on Israel. Small changes sure, it happened before, as some presidents like Carter and Reagan exerted some pressure on Israel and were critical of some of its actions. But I don't see it ever being anything beyond that.
Hopefully I am wrong in that though.

Turns out there's only so many videos of the IDF murdering children in cold blood you can watch before you start wondering if maybe it's a pattern and not just "isolated incidents"

Little late.

All this death and destruction only to walk away with less then what they had before.

ssjevot posted...

We also have a poll showing most support Palestinian statehood:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/5567904-most-in-us-support-palestinian-state-recognition-survey/

It's possible that once the old guard of pro-Israel no matter what politicians in the US government are replaced that the majority will be able to change course on US policy towards Israel.

Thats what it looks like. Cant wait.

ZMythos posted...

Alternative title: only 40% of Americans recognize that Israel is committing genocide

Probably

There's also a rise nazism I've noticed.

Wars are televised these days and it's harder to stop media. That's the difference between this war and the war in Afghanistan. If people saw the videos on ground zero more. They wouldn't have let Bush carry on

wonder how much of it is the upsurge in libertarian/isolationist "muh tax dollars going to foreign nations ree"

broken clocks and all that

Good, it needs to go further.

Voidgolem posted...

wonder how much of it is the upsurge in libertarian/isolationist "muh tax dollars going to foreign nations ree"

broken clocks and all that

It is bad that our money is going to Israel and Argentina, not sure whats wrong with that or this boards obsession with dragging libertarians into everything

Well, good. After this, this should be expected and Israel should not be allowed to just do as it likes

Voidgolem posted...

wonder how much of it is the upsurge in libertarian/isolationist "muh tax dollars going to foreign nations ree"

broken clocks and all that

Literal MTG antisemitism energy most likely

while antisemitism is real, this is due to increasing awareness of the genocide. The us has always been antisemitic. What changed was awareness

Jagus posted...

while antisemitism is real, this is due to increasing awareness of the genocide. The us has always been antisemitic. What changed was awareness

I'm gonna need to ask you to clarify this one.

whats confusing?

Jagus posted...

whats confusing?

Was that "declining support is due to the genocide" or "antisemitism is," the structure was a mite ambiguous

Unless you believe Democrats are leading the charge on antisemitism, it's not "MTG Antisemitism" since as the graph shows it's basically entirely Democrats and moderates leading the shift. Republicans still overwhelmingly support Israel.

From the article:
Much of the shift in views on Israel has been driven by a sharp decline in support by Democratic voters. Republicans largely continue to support Israel, though there has been a modest decline.

Nearly two years ago, Democrats were evenly divided, with 34 percent sympathizing with Israel and 31 percent with Palestinians. Now, rank-and-file Democrats across the country overwhelmingly side with Palestinians 54 percent said they sympathized more with Palestinians, while only 13 percent expressed greater empathy for Israel.

LightSnake posted...

Was that "declining support is due to the genocide" or "antisemitism is," the structure was a mite ambiguous

Support for israel is dropping imo due to increased awareness of the genocide. The us has always been antisemitic and thats pretty much been a constant. If declining support was due mostly to antisemitism, we wouldve seen this trend happen much earlier imo.

ssjevot posted...

Unless you believe Democrats are leading the charge on antisemitism, it's not "MTG Antisemitism" since as the graph shows it's basically entirely Democrats and moderates leading the shift. Republicans still overwhelmingly support Israel.

Republicans support Israel wholeheartedly, but they're a very antisemitic party because they're full of Christian nationalists who have supercessionist views on Jews anyways.

We're about to see a test of this with Democratic voters in Illinois and Maine where a Hamas apologist is up for Congress and the most prominent progressive politician in the country just tried to excuse a dude having a literal SS tattoo yesterday

LightSnake posted...

Republicans support Israel wholeheartedly, but they're a very antisemitic party because they're full of Christian nationalists who have supercessionist views on Jews anyways.

Also, they support Israel because they believe that Israel is needed to usher in the literal Rapture and end of days. I don't think they could care much less about the Jewish people in Israel

Cool down dude, I was saying they are only getting into the whole anti-American support for Israel thing like MTG because they are antisemitic, just like MTG. Many people think MTG has turned over a new leaf on Israel because shes been outspoken lately, but its really because she so antisemitic, not because shes a good person all of a sudden.