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Vegy
11/16/25 12:45:44 AM
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https://bsky.app/profile/popbase.tv/post/3m5p4pp4mlk2d

I remember when hillary lost, CE were like "any woman but her, america would have voted for any other woman but her"

Den came along kamala and america still didn't vote for a woman, so can CE finally admit dey were wrong ???

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GrandConjuraton
11/16/25 12:46:23 AM
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Unfortunately, yes.

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Doe
11/16/25 12:47:00 AM
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A ton of men in 2024 voted heavily against their own interests or sat out rather than vote for a woman

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Akuryu
11/16/25 12:54:02 AM
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She's right. Next nominee needs to be a straight white man, probably from the south or midwest. Put up another woman, person of color, LGBT+, and they'll be handing Republicans another 4 years.
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Accolon
11/16/25 12:57:59 AM
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We aren't.

America had the choice between a woman and a fascist, rapist, pedophile clown.

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Rantman
11/16/25 1:00:53 AM
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I think it's very difficult, but not impossible. I think a really energizing candidate could win regardless of whether they're a man or a woman.

It's just that. Fuck. Trump is a difficult guy to actually win elections against in a way 99% of people who act exactly like him aren't.

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Kanaya413
11/16/25 1:15:19 AM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Unfortunately, yes.


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The_Popo
11/16/25 1:17:34 AM
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I think a woman can win, but she would certainly be behind the eight ball. She would need to be a very good public speaker, come off as relatable, be incredibly charming, and have a quick wit to quickly rebuke personal attacks in a debate atmosphere or interview.

Oh, and have enough time to become known to the American public. Kamala had zero chance based on that along. She might as well have been Democrat Generic Brand, given the impossible position she was put into.

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Strand
11/16/25 1:37:46 AM
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I think she takes it too far, but only slightly. We were marginally ready for a woman as president in 2016. Hillary would have won without Comey and Russian interference. Though she would have won overwhelmingly without sexism.

I agree with her point that "theres still, sadly, a lot of men who do not feel like they can be led by a woman, and we saw it." They make up a significant enough proportion of voters to influence the election, especially if you include the ones who don't realize it but hold women to different standards.

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TheSuperSilver
11/16/25 8:04:53 AM
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She's 100% right. Not now, not ever.

Men sat out in droves just to deny Kamala the presidency. I've been to the barbershops and this is what they said. Kamala was the sitting VP so don't tell me she wasn't qualified.

So I don't want to hear people talk about AOC running. You're just giving the fascists another term.

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LSGW_Zephyra
11/16/25 8:08:56 AM
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TheSuperSilver posted...
She's 100% right. Not now, not ever.

Men sat out in droves just to deny Kamala the presidency. I've been to the barbershops and this is what they said. Kamala was the sitting VP so don't tell me she wasn't qualified.

So I don't want to hear people talk about AOC running. You're just giving the fascists another term.

This is absurd. Not ever? Yeeesh

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boomgetchopped3
11/16/25 8:16:02 AM
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Thing is, most people said this about a black president until her husband proved them wrong. NOT Ready isnt a valid excuse but she doesnt need to explain to anyone why shes not running anyway.

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TheSuperSilver
11/16/25 8:17:05 AM
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LSGW_Zephyra posted...
This is absurd. Not ever? Yeeesh
Yes, not ever. I'm not happy about it but let's call it what it is.

Things were more promising during the Obama years but Trump has set us so far back it'll take generations to undo all that damage. He successfully tapped into America's inherently racist and sexist tendencies that I don't if any meaningful recovery will happen in my lifetime.

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Lvaneede
11/16/25 8:18:35 AM
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America voted for a convicted rapist as president instead of a respectable woman, so I think Michelle is probably right.

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PMarth2002
11/16/25 8:19:51 AM
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Disagree. More people voted for Hillary than for Trump in 2016, she lost because of the electoral college.

I'd agree that a woman is running at a disadvantage compared to a man, doubly so if they're also non-white like Kamala.

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nocturnal_traveler
11/16/25 8:22:40 AM
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I think people underestimate how willing women are to backstab their own. Many American women also didn't vote for Kamala. If they were as united as the media likes to make them out to be, Kamala should've won short of EC interference.

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Garioshi
11/16/25 8:24:51 AM
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America is perfectly ready for a woman President, they're just going to have to believe in and stand for something. Running the worst possible female candidate twice and concluding that women can't win is remarkably sexist.

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UnfairRepresent
11/16/25 8:31:00 AM
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It's hard to argue when America twice voted for Donald Trump over flawed but intelligent women.


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FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER
11/16/25 8:34:46 AM
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boomgetchopped3 posted...
Thing is, most people said this about a black president until her husband proved them wrong. NOT Ready isnt a valid excuse but she doesnt need to explain to anyone why shes not running anyway.

Think he proves them right because America couldnt handle a black president and broke half of these people's minds

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Rika_Furude
11/16/25 8:41:51 AM
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Maybe america was for a brief moment in time but its definitely not these days with the rapid resurgence/acceptance of nazi/republican ideology
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vycebrand2
11/16/25 8:50:49 AM
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Akuryu posted...
She's right. Next nominee needs to be a straight white man, probably from the south or midwest. Put up another woman, person of color, LGBT+, and they'll be handing Republicans another 4 years.
Its like you fundraise more when your not in charge. Send us money we will beat them next time. The GOP does the samething.

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nocturnal_traveler
11/16/25 9:06:45 AM
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FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER posted...
Think he proves them right because America couldnt handle a black president and broke half of these people's minds
And even then they chose Obama because McCains VP candidate was a woman.

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Thanatos_the_Great
11/16/25 9:08:16 AM
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PMarth2002 posted...
Disagree. More people voted for Hillary than for Trump in 2016, she lost because of the electoral college.

She lost because of unconstitutional vote suppression and illegal Russian interference. Trump didn't win legitimately in 2016 even by the electoral college's absurd standard of "legitimate".

The_Popo posted...
She would need to be a very good public speaker, come off as relatable, be incredibly charming, and have a quick wit to quickly rebuke personal attacks in a debate atmosphere or interview.

So AOC 2028 it is, then.

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wackyteen
11/16/25 9:25:12 AM
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Maybe in 2008.

Without the BS ass pearl clutching over emails, then likely in 2016.

Now, though? She's right.

America is significantly more racist/racially biased and sexist/gender-biased than it might publicly appear (even outside of the obvious suspects churned up by MAGA).

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creativerealms
11/16/25 9:26:28 AM
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We will only see a female president if both parties nominate a woman. And that will never happen.

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UnsteadyOwl
11/16/25 9:42:10 AM
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PMarth2002 posted...
Disagree. More people voted for Hillary than for Trump in 2016, she lost because of the electoral college.

I'd agree that a woman is running at a disadvantage compared to a man, doubly so if they're also non-white like Kamala.
This sums up my thoughts on it. I think it's possible that a woman could win the presidency if it's the right candidate in the right year, but any woman running for president is at a disadvantage.

I've had a female family member tell me that she doesn't think a woman should ever be president. Sadly, there are a lot of Americans who feel that way.

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refmon
11/16/25 9:47:06 AM
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Maybe Hilary and Kamala weren't the best of candidates. And maybe it's also true the country ain't ready for a woman to be President.

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wackyteen
11/16/25 9:51:50 AM
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
This sums up my thoughts on it. I think it's possible that a woman could win the presidency if it's the right candidate in the right year, but any woman running for president is at a disadvantage.

I've had a female family member tell me that she doesn't think a woman should ever be president. Sadly, there are a lot of Americans who feel that way.

It's a byproduct of Christianity/major religions or in general. Where women aren't "supposed to" be in positions of power, where 'their place' is in the home/raising children.

It is beyond the scope and imagination of a lot of random people in the world that a woman can be just as educated, capable and powerful as a man. And those that can legitimately imagine it, take it as an absolute insult to their own ability/agency and will refuse to grant them that level of legitimacy/power.

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Sephirothe
11/16/25 9:53:20 AM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Unfortunately, yes.


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asdf8562
11/16/25 10:03:37 AM
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PMarth2002 posted...
Disagree. More people voted for Hillary than for Trump in 2016, she lost because of the electoral college.
...which is how the President is elected....
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boxoto
11/16/25 10:05:41 AM
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yea, but they're saying that most voters wanted a woman president at the time.

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asdf8562
11/16/25 10:11:02 AM
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boxoto posted...
yea, but they're saying that most voters wanted a woman president at the time.
Which is irrelevant as the most voters dont elect the president. The electoral college does. So it doesnt matter if the popular vote is won when talking about winning the presidency.

Meaning what Michelle said is correct. We arent ready.
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Evening_Dragon
11/16/25 10:13:47 AM
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Not ready in the relatively short term political future, but I don't think it's impossible forever.

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lilORANG
11/16/25 10:14:08 AM
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Obviously. People voted for the worst guy possible twice before voting for the actually qualified woman.

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2001mark
11/16/25 10:16:00 AM
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America will need both tickets to be led by women.. which is doable. Noem vs. AOC 2028.

That casuals who rode the tv couch in 2016 wouldn't even give Hillary the historic precedent, if only to finally join the rest of the civilized world normalizing this nonsense, speaks volumes.
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2001mark
11/16/25 10:17:28 AM
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Vegy posted...
https://bsky.app/profile/popbase.tv/post/3m5p4pp4mlk2d

I remember when hillary lost, CE were like "any woman but her, america would have voted for any other woman but her"

Den came along kamala and america still didn't vote for a woman, so can CE finally admit dey were wrong ???
Hillary lost the minority vote in the 90's, forever.

Kamala was dropped in with a handful of months to go.

I'd hope history can read & write better than the present.
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Evening_Dragon
11/16/25 10:18:04 AM
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2001mark posted...
America will need both tickets to be led by women.. which is doable. Noem vs. AOC 2028.

That casuals who rode the tv couch in 2016 wouldn't even give Hillary the historic precedent, if only to finally join the rest of the civilized world normalizing this nonsense, speaks volumes.

You think republicans would ever put a woman on the ticket?

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2001mark
11/16/25 10:19:04 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
I think people underestimate how willing women are to backstab their own. Many American women also didn't vote for Kamala. If they were as united as the media likes to make them out to be, Kamala should've won short of EC interference.
1000% this. Even progressive men who die on feminist hills for women often can't get some women to join the cause.
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2001mark
11/16/25 10:19:44 AM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
You think republicans would ever put a woman on the ticket?
Yep, though in a down year like 2028.
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Evening_Dragon
11/16/25 10:20:49 AM
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2001mark posted...
Yep, though in a down year like 2028.
Easiest bet of my life if you wanna

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PMarth2002
11/16/25 10:24:12 AM
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asdf8562 posted...
Which is irrelevant as the most voters dont elect the president. The electoral college does. So it doesnt matter if the popular vote is won when talking about winning the presidency.

Meaning what Michelle said is correct. We arent ready.

More people voted for her than voted for Trump, how is that an indicator that america wasn't willing to elect a female president? She lost the election because of how the system was set up, not because america wasn't ready for a female president.

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asdf8562
11/16/25 10:26:20 AM
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PMarth2002 posted...
More people voted for her than voted for Trump, how is that an indicator that america wasn't willing to elect a female president? She lost the election because of how the system was set up, not because america wasn't ready for a female president.
How the system is setup is how the President is actually elected.

So the conversation around the popular vote is an irrelevant one given that's not how the president is elected.

Is it possible America will be ready in the future? Possibly. But Michelle is right we arent ready right now given how Presidents are actually elected.
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Compsognathus
11/16/25 10:26:39 AM
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I'm not sure I'd go as far to say they aren't ready for a woman president, but I do think any woman running is doing so at a pretty sharp disadvantage.

And unfortunately, this new strain of the GOP is so destructive that a back-to-back Republican presidency might genuinely kill the country. And with that on the line, does it make sense to run a candidate with an extreme disadvantage?

Is that fair, obviously not. Is it gross and sexist, absolutely. But that's unfortunately the situation America is in.

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MotaroRIP619
11/16/25 10:31:08 AM
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Lvaneede posted...
America voted for a convicted rapist as president instead of a respectable woman, so I think Michelle is probably right.

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SaikyoStyle
11/16/25 10:33:59 AM
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Every woman who is nominated for president will be declared a bad candidate.

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1NfamousACE_2
11/16/25 10:51:52 AM
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creativerealms posted...
We will only see a female president if both parties nominate a woman. And that will never happen.

Only if Jill Stein runs the Green Party

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Strand
11/16/25 10:53:07 AM
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asdf8562 posted...
How the system is setup is how the President is actually elected.

So the conversation around the popular vote is an irrelevant one given that's not how the president is elected.
But doesn't this also mean the electoral college is irrelevant to whether Americans are ready for a woman as president? And that Americans being ready is irrelevant to the election result? The popular vote shows they're ready, but the system prevents it.

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monkmith
11/16/25 10:54:06 AM
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feels like what she tells herself at night to keep from building up the courage to run herself. hillary won the popular vote, we're talking about a woman who had 20 years of opposition campaigning working against her, who at the 11th hour had the FBI torpedo her campaign for shits and giggles.

are there more hurdles for women to win the presidency? sure. but claiming "america isn't ready" is defeatist bullshit.

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Zero_Destroyer
11/16/25 10:56:33 AM
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Several of the swing states that voted for Trump also voted for women Democratic senators. The premise here is basically that Biden, by being a man, would've done better or even won; we know this is nonsense because Harris lost due to the unpopularity of the Biden administration. She still salvaged the downballot heavily compared to how Biden would've performed.

Not say a portion of the country didn't vote on this basis but America is wholly capable of electing a woman president. Far more sexist cultures do. I don't know what the idpol sect is gonna think if the first female president is a Republican because the inevitable internal aversion Dems will have to nominating a woman (which will be, ironically, very sexist) will give Rs that outcome in the next 10-15 years.

Michelle being the one saying this is the only fair thing considering the treatment she specifically received from large portions of America. Certainly a substantial portion of the country is deeply racist, and expressed that towards her.

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SauI_Goodman
11/16/25 10:57:00 AM
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I couldn't disagree more on a personal level. On a country level, I'm not sure she's right. Hillary got the most votes out of any losing candidate and won the popular.

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