Current Events > Michelle Obama says to stop lying, America isn't ready for a woman president

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But doesn't this also mean the electoral college is irrelevant to whether Americans are ready for a woman as president? Or that Americans being ready is irrelevant to the election result? The popular vote shows they're ready, but the system prevents it.

feels like what she tells herself at night to keep from building up the courage to run herself. hillary won the popular vote, we're talking about a woman who had 20 years of opposition campaigning working against her, who at the 11th hour had the FBI torpedo her campaign for shits and giggles.

are there more hurdles for women to win the presidency? sure. but claiming "america isn't ready" is defeatist bullshit.

Kamala took the bait by actually answering about the Israel/Gaza conflict from a bad faith actor. She also allowed Republicans into her rallies, including Cheney. The Democrats either threw the election on purpose, or they're just that incompetent, and incapable of learning their lesson. Either outlook is bad.

You aren't.

America had the choice between a woman and a fascist, rapist, pedophile clown.

Kamala took the bait by actually answering about the Israel/Gaza conflict from a bad faith actor. She also allowed Republicans into her rallies, including Cheney. The Democrats either threw the election on purpose, or they're just that incompetent, and incapable of learning their lesson. Either outlook is bad.

stop acting like trump is easy to defeat

Kamala took the bait by actually answering about the Israel/Gaza conflict from a bad faith actor. She also allowed Republicans into her rallies, including Cheney. The Democrats either threw the election on purpose, or they're just that incompetent, and incapable of learning their lesson. Either outlook is bad.

stop acting like trump is easy to defeat

He was. The Democrats could've played the game a whole lot better, up to and including constantly reminding the American people that he was responsible for COVID coming to this country.

He was. The Democrats could've played the game a whole lot better, up to and including constantly reminding the American people that he was responsible for COVID coming to this country.

biden could have destroyed his chances when he took office. just have him arrested and imprisoned without trial. supreme court said he could after all, and honestly that would be the lesser sentence for a man who committed treason trying to overthrow an election.

No. Its more like copium to winning a battle despite losing the whole war. You wish it was irrelevant. Hillary won the popular..... great, now what did that get us? A list of losses. Why? She still lost in the electoral college where it actually matters.

How the President of the United States is actually elected PotUS, is not irrelevant to the question of is a country ready to elect, a PotUS.

Love or hate the system, that is the system. We elected based on the electoral college, and as it stands it unfortunately isnt in womens favor. At least currently.

So the conversation around trying to take comfort in the popular vote ultimately does not matter. Fight to win wars, not battles. Saying the system prevents it doesnt change the system isnt based on the popular vote, and therefore irrelevant to how the US President is actually elected. Which is why Michelle said we arent ready. We arent going to win chasing the popular vote over the electoral college.

every major news outlet is owned by conservatives

all major social media platforms are owned by conservatives

yes the DNC made a ton of fuck ups

but still so many people support trump

even now so many people support trump

shes completely right. the only way I can see a woman winning is if shes conservative. It would need to be an Erika Kirk or Karoline Leavitt type sadly for it to happen.

shes completely right. the only way I can see a woman winning is if shes conservative. It would need to be an Erika Kirk or Karoline Leavitt type sadly for it to happen.

When did I take comfort in the popular vote? It just indicates that Americans were marginally ready for a woman as president.

Michelle Obama was talking about whether voters personally feel they can be led by a woman. She wasn't talking about the electoral college.

you actually think conservative voters are more likely to vote for a woman over liberal voters?

What if the democrats put up a woman candidate that was actually likeable though?

...which is how the President is elected....

If the Republicans twist it right, the first female President can come from the GOP.

That's the UK experience.

Thatcher (evil incarnate)
May (incompetence incarnate)
Truss (both of the above, plus stupidity incarnate)

All Conservatives. None were submissive characters though. The Tories are all ex-public schoolboys who get very excited over stern, matronly types.

Disagree.

Still believe Michelle Obama would have won in 2016 or 2020 if she wanted it. 2024 would have been a harder sell

That doesn't change their point. More.

Disagree.

Still believe Michelle Obama would have won in 2016 or 2020 if she wanted it. 2024 would have been a harder sell

Calling the Electoral College trash may be a valid opinion (one we agree on btw), but its irrelevant to the reality that it remains the system that determines the winner.

Why do you think she would want to? She watched what being president did to her husband plus the attacks on her and her children. Why do people think she wants to go through that?

I'm wasn't saying that the popular vote determines the winner, I was saying that the popular vote being in favor of Clinton shows america was willing to elect a female president, even if it didn't happen in 2016 due to the rules. I wasn't making any argument at all about what we should do for 2028, I was just responding to the question in the topic title.

you actually think conservative voters are more likely to vote for a woman over liberal voters?

I'm very worried about people blaming this loss solely or primarily on sexism. That certainly played a role and it's a notable disadvantage, but the election was part of a years long rightward shift in politics that was evidence as far back as 2021 or 2022, and down ballot races both did better and worse than Harris did. The election was lost over immigration, inflation, and "wokeness" due to omnipresent right-wing media. Lest we forget, the Democratic Party's brand has been on a downward slide for awhile now and Biden was on track for a historic loss as a white man, to the same candidate.

Sexism is probably not in the top 5 reasons. So, hearing high profile Dems blame it on that without assessing the material conditions, structural realities, or long-term trends that led to defeat is concerning. I've yet to see real soul searching from the party over a year out from the loss.

While Hilary won the popular vote, there really hasn't been any decent women candidates.

I said Americans wouldn't vote for a Woman to be President and some users disagreed.

I didn't see conservatives abandon their candidate, so who knows how that would go if by some miracle they nominated a woman.

If there hasn't been any decent woman candidate then what the hell is Donald Trump? This convicted rapist, felon and insurrection artist is on his second term. Nikki Haley ran for the other side in 2024 but couldn't beat him in the primaries.

America as of 2024 has no desire whatsoever for a female president from either side.

Thing is, most people said this about a black president until her husband proved them wrong. NOT Ready isnt a valid excuse but she doesnt need to explain to anyone why shes not running anyway.