Microsoft lays off 1900 Activision Blizzard and Xbox employees

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Amuseum
01/29/2024
06:40 PM
#51
Why don't the 1900 fired form a new company?
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adjl
01/29/2024
10:39 PM
#53
JudgeMentok posted...
#EvenBiggerBenderLaugh

You think people laid off because the merger made them redundant would have been laid off without the merger making them redundant?
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ConfusedTorchic
01/29/2024
10:47 PM
#54
OhhhJa posted...
Tbh that would be a cool story to tell at a party though. "This big exec from Xbox took a shit in my mailbox one time!" Plus, you could definitely sue him
sue him? i'd have to frame it!

adjl posted...
You think people laid off because the merger made them redundant would have been laid off without the merger making them redundant?

do you think activision wouldn't also have had their own round of layoffs?

really?

they do them annually.

Arcturusisnow posted...
"Sony knows what they are doing?" Good lord that is hilarious. Sony has been more censor happy than Nintendo ever was and yet "they know what they are doing"? Yeah you have shown your lack of intelligence with that statement, bud.

what does any of that have to do with what i said.

sony is the top dog, clearly this censorship they supposedly do aren't hurting them. but you really showed your intelligence, because the only things ever getting censored is child sexualization in weeb games and ports of weeb games from the 90's and early aughts.
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adjl
01/29/2024
10:51 PM
#55
Do you think there won't still be another round of layoffs when the time comes to artificially inflate profit margins when the year slows down, regardless of how many layoffs happened as a direct consequence of the merger?
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ConfusedTorchic
01/29/2024
10:53 PM
#56
no i don't think that at all.

there's going to be more

from a lot more companies than just microsoft.

studio closures, too.

but oh no, big bad american company with 230,000 employees laid off 0.8% of their employees!
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Lokarin
01/30/2024
05:01 AM
#58
Amuseum posted...
Why don't the 1900 fired form a new company?

Embracer Group hired them so they could dismantle them
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adjl
01/30/2024
08:48 AM
#59
JudgeMentok posted...
Do you often try to put words into people's mouths in an attempt to win an argument about corporate greed? When the entire argument is the nature of the greed, and not the specific outcome?

#EvenBiggerBiggerBenderLaugh

If you think that what I said was wrong, then that's what you think. If that's not what you think, you should clarify the issue you have with what I said, because as it stands I see no other interpretation of you thinking my statement was wrong. We've already agreed that future layoffs are likely because the AAA game industry is comprised entirely of greedy bastards who'll sacrifice anything for an uptick in share prices, but this is a specific instance with a specific cause. Treating it as inevitable when that specific cause was not inevitable makes little sense.
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ConfusedTorchic
01/30/2024
06:12 PM
#61
adjl posted...
If you think that what I said was wrong, then that's what you think. If that's not what you think, you should clarify the issue you have with what I said, because as it stands I see no other interpretation of you thinking my statement was wrong.

you mean like how i did multiple times and you still tried to strawman me as being pro-layoffs?
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adjl
01/31/2024
10:32 AM
#62
ConfusedTorchic posted...
you mean like how i did multiple times and you still tried to strawman me as being pro-layoffs?

This is itself a strawman. I never tried to portray you as being pro-layoffs. I evaluated you - based on things you explicitly said - as not considering layoffs bad enough to offset the benefit of getting games you want on platforms you want. I outlined all of this in comprehensive detail in post #44, but if some aspect of my explanation still confuses you, let me know and I'll be happy to clarify.

JudgeMentok posted...
You say the funniest things. Especially that last line.

You seem very hesitant to make an actual point. Are you somehow afraid of discussing your opinions properly?
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adjl
01/31/2024
01:04 PM
#64
JudgeMentok posted...
People would have been laid off without the merger.

I don't doubt this. I do, however, expect that the merger has caused more people to be laid off than would otherwise have been, due to the redundancy it created. That's all I'm saying. People would have been laid off without it, people will continue to be laid off with it, but the layoffs that have been directly caused by it likely wouldn't have happened if it didn't happen.
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ConfusedTorchic
01/31/2024
01:40 PM
#65
activision routinely lays off hundreds of employees

in 2019 it was over 800

in 2021 it was 200

xbox, in this case, laid off staff not only from the abk side, but also their own side, thus equaling more than abk has itself ever done.

in 2020 microsoft laid off over 20,000 employees

this is not fucking unusual, and trying to argue that less or none would be laid off if the merger never happened is stupid and a strawman argument since the historical facts disagree with you.
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adjl
01/31/2024
03:30 PM
#66
So you're pivoting from "layoffs are an inevitable part of any merger" to "the merger had no impact on the total number of layoffs"?

ConfusedTorchic posted...
trying to argue that less or none would be laid off

Nobody is trying to argue that nobody would have been laid off. That's a strawman: falsifying an argument you can more easily defeat in the hopes that nobody notices that you failed to address the actual argument at hand.

ConfusedTorchic posted...
and a strawman argument since the historical facts disagree with you.

That's not what "strawman" means. The point you're trying to make is that I'm incorrect to expect that fewer people would be laid off if a merger that directly resulted in the elimination of redundant positions didn't happen to make those positions redundant. That's not a strawman, that's just a statement that you believe is wrong.
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ConfusedTorchic
02/01/2024
12:08 AM
#67
sega now laying off 10% of their staff

which is not actually a huge amount considering that large percentage

it's 61 people
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ConfusedTorchic
02/01/2024
12:13 AM
#68
adjl posted...
That's not what "strawman" means.

Making a straw man argument means that one is creating and then arguing against a position on the issue that no one is actually making. This is usually in the form of an extreme or exaggerated assertion.

you came up with the argument that i was pro-layoffs out of literally nothing by attempting to use a if/then to say a implies b. yes, yes you did try and create a strawman argument.
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Zareth
02/01/2024
02:31 AM
#69
ConfusedTorchic posted...
sega now laying off 10% of their staff

which is not actually a huge amount considering that large percentage

it's 61 people
I refuse to believe that SEGA employs only 600 people, that's insane
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adjl
02/01/2024
10:01 AM
#70
ConfusedTorchic posted...
you came up with the argument that i was pro-layoffs out of literally nothing by attempting to use a if/then to say a implies b. yes, yes you did try and create a strawman argument.

I didn't try to paint you as pro-layoffs. I tried to paint you as being okay with layoffs if you get to play *insert ABK game of choice* on *insert platform of choice* as part of whatever caused the layoffs (more accurately, you painted that picture yourself, I'm just pointing it out). That's a distinct difference: The former means you like layoffs. The latter means you don't necessarily like layoffs, but care more about getting to play video games more cheaply/conveniently than about 1900 people's livelihoods.

Again, this is all outlined in post #44. If you've found flaws in the logic presented there, please point it out so I can correct it.
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ConfusedTorchic
02/01/2024
11:27 AM
#71
Zareth posted...
I refuse to believe that SEGA employs only 600 people, that's insane
i guess they do a lot of outsourcing?

i don't get it either
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OhhhJa
02/02/2024
11:21 AM
#72
adjl posted...
but care more about getting to play video games more cheaply/conveniently than about 1900 people's livelihoods.
We're talking about the gaming/tech industry. These dudes will immediately find another job without issue. Nature of the industry
SinisterSlay
02/07/2024
10:58 AM
#73
Nothing could have saved those people. The company wanted to show a bigger profit short term, so they removed employees. That's how it works.
The only advice I can give to these people is get the fuck out of that industry, it's so damn corrupt.
And everyone should avoid working for a publicly traded company if they can. They all indulge in layoffs regularly for the same reason. And shareholders never punish the company for it.

On the plus side it's why the titans pretty much always fall eventually. You can only prioritize short term profits so many times before a smarter company takes over.
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