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If they voted today, three quarters of the Swiss public would say yes to an initiative calling for a ban on covering the face in public, which would effectively ban the burqa.
A survey of 1,167 people conducted by two Sunday papers found 76 percent in favour of the initiative, compared with 20 percent against and three percent with no view on the issue, reported Swiss media on Monday.
The popular initiative 'Yes to a ban on face coverings', which last September garnered more than the required 100,000 signatures to put it to a popular vote, calls for it to be made illegal for anyone to cover their face in public, with some exceptions including for local customs, the weather and health and safety reasons.
Such a law would effectively ban the burqa, though the committee says it is also targeting hooligans and others who cover their face for criminal intent.
The Swiss government opposes the idea, saying its up to the cantons to legislate on the issue. However in December it proposed a counter-project suggesting it be made illegal to force anyone to cover their face.
The initiative and the counter-project will likely be put to the vote in 2019.
Full Article: . https://www.thelocal.ch/20180108/swiss-public-in-favour-of-burqa-ban
I wonder if CE will reflect the views of Switzerland.
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» 76% of Swiss population supports banning the Burka says new study.
A survey of 1,167 people conducted by two Sunday papers found 76 percent in favour of the initiative, compared with 20 percent against and three percent with no view on the issue, reported Swiss media on Monday.
The popular initiative 'Yes to a ban on face coverings', which last September garnered more than the required 100,000 signatures to put it to a popular vote, calls for it to be made illegal for anyone to cover their face in public, with some exceptions including for local customs, the weather and health and safety reasons.
Such a law would effectively ban the burqa, though the committee says it is also targeting hooligans and others who cover their face for criminal intent.
The Swiss government opposes the idea, saying its up to the cantons to legislate on the issue. However in December it proposed a counter-project suggesting it be made illegal to force anyone to cover their face.
The initiative and the counter-project will likely be put to the vote in 2019.
Full Article: . https://www.thelocal.ch/20180108/swiss-public-in-favour-of-burqa-ban
I wonder if CE will reflect the views of Switzerland.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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It should be banned
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Surprised it's only 76% tbqh
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
I hate freedom
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I don't support banning it here but over in Europe? Fuck yes. Glad they're going to fight before it's too late.
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I'm opposed to laws banning certain types of clothes just as much as being opposed to laws requiring people to wear certain types of clothes.
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K181 posted...
Would you support nudity protections?
I'm opposed to laws banning certain types of clothes just as much as being opposed to laws requiring people to wear certain types of clothes.
Would you support nudity protections?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
wut
I don't support banning it here but over in Europe? Fuck yes.
wut
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I wouldn't put enforcing societal decency standards on the same level as banning certain kinds of clothing. But that being said, I don't support having public nudity be a felony or anything like that either.
K181 posted...
I'm opposed to laws banning certain types of clothes just as much as being opposed to laws requiring people to wear certain types of clothes.
Would you support nudity protections?
I wouldn't put enforcing societal decency standards on the same level as banning certain kinds of clothing. But that being said, I don't support having public nudity be a felony or anything like that either.
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Nah, I don't like the government telling me what I can't wear... except for masks. That's different, which balaclavas go under unless its cold af
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
So, you like the burqa, then.
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
The burqa's essentially a mask that covers the entire body and the face, instead of just the face.
RE_expert44 posted...
I hate freedom
So, you like the burqa, then.
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Nah, I don't like the government telling me what I can't wear... except for masks. That's different, which balaclavas go under unless its cold af
The burqa's essentially a mask that covers the entire body and the face, instead of just the face.
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How can you support women's rights and also support the burqa
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I mean, they should still be able to wear one if they want.
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Some people are under the illusion that they choose to wear it because it represents their freedom or something
How can you support women's rights and also support the burqa
Some people are under the illusion that they choose to wear it because it represents their freedom or something
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K181 posted...
But they are not banning certain types of clothes, just banning covering your face in public.
I'm opposed to laws banning certain types of clothes just as much as being opposed to laws requiring people to wear certain types of clothes.
But they are not banning certain types of clothes, just banning covering your face in public.
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I don't think most women are wearing burkas voluntarily, so yes they should be banned. Oppressing women don't belong to civiliced countries.
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Excellent, it should be outlawed everywhere.
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RE_expert44 posted...
It should be banned
UnfairRepresent posted...
Someone is actually taking the "balaclava argument" seriously?
Such a law would effectively ban the burqa, though the committee says it is also targeting hooligans and others who cover their face for criminal intent.
Someone is actually taking the "balaclava argument" seriously?
I'll support the right of women to wear it in Europe once there is some semblance of gender equality, and I know women are wearing it out of choice and not out of fear that their husbands will beat them or their community will ostracize them.
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The Admiral posted...
this sums up my feelings entirely as well
I'll support the right of women to wear it in Europe once there is some semblance of gender equality, and I know women are wearing it out of choice and not out of fear that their husbands will beat them or their community will ostracize them.
this sums up my feelings entirely as well
LightHawKnight posted...
That's a certain type of clothing with an established history, though. It wasn't invented or popularized with the intent of obfuscating security measures.
K181 posted...
I'm opposed to laws banning certain types of clothes just as much as being opposed to laws requiring people to wear certain types of clothes.
But they are not banning certain types of clothes, just banning covering your face in public.
That's a certain type of clothing with an established history, though. It wasn't invented or popularized with the intent of obfuscating security measures.
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Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
I don't understand the logic behind banning it. If it's to "protect" other people then that seems a little silly seeing as women account for very few of the overall terrorist population. If it's to safeguard women's rights that's also flawed seeing as women could be the ones choosing to wear it and we don't knit pick other religious practices such as circumcision (I'm not some weird anti-circumcision believer, just pointing out the hypocrisy). Should it be illegal to wear a ski-mask in Sweden, even when skiing, just because it's covering your face?
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K181 posted...
no, it was invented with the intent of 'obfuscating' human rights.
LightHawKnight posted...
K181 posted...
I'm opposed to laws banning certain types of clothes just as much as being opposed to laws requiring people to wear certain types of clothes.
But they are not banning certain types of clothes, just banning covering your face in public.
That's a certain type of clothing with an established history, though. It wasn't invented or popularized with the intent of obfuscating security measures.
no, it was invented with the intent of 'obfuscating' human rights.
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ChromaticAngel posted...
underrated
"I have no view" ~ What people who wear Burkas would vote
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Ryo_the_Inferno posted...
And I'm opposed to laws requiring women to wear them, and if there's a circumstance where a husband or a father is forcing their wife or children to wear them against their will they should be prosecuted for abuse. But if a woman voluntarily wants to wear a burka, I don't think that should remotely be illegal.
K181 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
K181 posted...
I'm opposed to laws banning certain types of clothes just as much as being opposed to laws requiring people to wear certain types of clothes.
But they are not banning certain types of clothes, just banning covering your face in public.
That's a certain type of clothing with an established history, though. It wasn't invented or popularized with the intent of obfuscating security measures.
no, it was invented with the intent of 'obfuscating' human rights.
And I'm opposed to laws requiring women to wear them, and if there's a circumstance where a husband or a father is forcing their wife or children to wear them against their will they should be prosecuted for abuse. But if a woman voluntarily wants to wear a burka, I don't think that should remotely be illegal.
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Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
Damn_Underscore posted...
Because I also support religious freedom and freedom of expression.
How can you support women's rights and also support the burqa
Because I also support religious freedom and freedom of expression.
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justaguy3492 posted...
I don't understand the logic behind banning it. If it's to "protect" other people then that seems a little silly seeing as women account for very few of the overall terrorist population. If it's to safeguard women's rights that's also flawed seeing as women could be the ones choosing to wear it and we don't knit pick other religious practices such as circumcision (I'm not some weird anti-circumcision believer, just pointing out the hypocrisy). Should it be illegal to wear a ski-mask in Sweden, even when skiing, just because it's covering your face?
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K181 posted...
Doesn't stop it from doing so. Also the established history is pretty terrible to begin with.
LightHawKnight posted...
K181 posted...
I'm opposed to laws banning certain types of clothes just as much as being opposed to laws requiring people to wear certain types of clothes.
But they are not banning certain types of clothes, just banning covering your face in public.
That's a certain type of clothing with an established history, though. It wasn't invented or popularized with the intent of obfuscating security measures.
Doesn't stop it from doing so. Also the established history is pretty terrible to begin with.
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justaguy3492 posted...
this is about Switzerland.
Should it be illegal to wear a ski-mask in Sweden , even when skiing, just because it's covering your face?
this is about Switzerland.
So they are not in favour of banning the burqa, that would just be an effect of their desire to ban covering your face in public.
NibeIungsnarf posted...
Go ahead and believe that.
So they are not in favour of banning the burqa, that would just be an effect of their desire to ban covering your face in public.
Go ahead and believe that.
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darkjedilink posted...
Your feels are compelling evidence.
NibeIungsnarf posted...
So they are not in favour of banning the burqa, that would just be an effect of their desire to ban covering your face in public.
Go ahead and believe that.
Your feels are compelling evidence.
NibeIungsnarf posted...
Not feelings, but logic. Are you telling me that, without Muslim refugees, the Swiss would still want to ban face coverings in such numbers?
darkjedilink posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
So they are not in favour of banning the burqa, that would just be an effect of their desire to ban covering your face in public.
Go ahead and believe that.
Your feels are compelling evidence.
Not feelings, but logic. Are you telling me that, without Muslim refugees, the Swiss would still want to ban face coverings in such numbers?
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darkjedilink posted...
Probably.
This might be news to Americans but most of Europe knew about Muslims before 9/11
NibeIungsnarf posted...
darkjedilink posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
So they are not in favour of banning the burqa, that would just be an effect of their desire to ban covering your face in public.
Go ahead and believe that.
Your feels are compelling evidence.
Not feelings, but logic. Are you telling me that, without Muslim refugees, the Swiss would still want to ban face coverings in such numbers?
Probably.
This might be news to Americans but most of Europe knew about Muslims before 9/11
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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darkjedilink posted...
"Logic"
You mean inference and assumption?
Not feelings, but logic. Are you telling me that, without Muslim refugees, the Swiss would still want to ban face coverings in such numbers?
"Logic"
You mean inference and assumption?
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Probably? Then what's the impetus for banning facial coverings, if not to ban burqas?
darkjedilink posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
darkjedilink posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
So they are not in favour of banning the burqa, that would just be an effect of their desire to ban covering your face in public.
Go ahead and believe that.
Your feels are compelling evidence.
Not feelings, but logic. Are you telling me that, without Muslim refugees, the Swiss would still want to ban face coverings in such numbers?
Probably.
This might be news to Americans but most of Europe knew about Muslims before 9/11
Probably? Then what's the impetus for banning facial coverings, if not to ban burqas?
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I'm sure that the influx of Muslim refugees and immigrants has made the issue of public interaction with someone who hides their face one people are much more aware of, but that doesn't mean that the desire to see it done away with is tied to that person's specific nature for doing so. If Switzerland sees a lot of people who cover their face and the people don't like that that seems very natural to me as a non-religious issue.
justaguy3492 posted...
when you claim that, have you checked the Swiss stance on circumcision?
we don't knit pick other religious practices such as circumcision (I'm not some weird anti-circumcision believer, just pointing out the hypocrisy).
when you claim that, have you checked the Swiss stance on circumcision?
NibeIungsnarf posted...
See also:
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I'm sure that the influx of Muslim refugees and immigrants has made the issue of public interaction with someone who hides their face one people are much more aware of, but that doesn't mean that the desire to see it done away with is tied to that person's specific nature for doing so. If Switzerland sees a lot of people who cover their face and the people don't like that that seems very natural to me as a non-religious issue.
See also:
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
So, you have no clue why they want to ban facial coverings so much, but are certain it has nothing to do with the burqa...
I'm sure that the influx of Muslim refugees and immigrants has made the issue of public interaction with someone who hides their face one people are much more aware of, but that doesn't mean that the desire to see it done away with is tied to that person's specific nature for doing so. If Switzerland sees a lot of people who cover their face and the people don't like that that seems very natural to me as a non-religious issue.
So, you have no clue why they want to ban facial coverings so much, but are certain it has nothing to do with the burqa...
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I'm not certain of anything, I was just giving a more fair reading of Unfair's unfair topic title.
Be a little less militant, please.
Be a little less militant, please.
NibeIungsnarf posted...
Stop being blatantly ignorant.
I'm not certain of anything, I was just giving a more fair reading of Unfair's unfair topic title.
Be a little less militant, please.
Stop being blatantly ignorant.
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Nobody's stopping you from going to Switzerland and conducting a survey on whether people want to ban the burqa specifically or just hiding your face in public.
The burka, like many Islamic traditions, is intentionally patriarchal, misogynistic, regressive, etc. This might not be of major concern were it not for mass immigration of these people who don't hold the same Western values into European countries. Once the population is for the most part replaced and the natives are driven away the country will no longer be what it once was. There's a real imminent threat here.
Their Islamic traditions must be reigned in. They need to adapt to Europe, not the other way around.
Their Islamic traditions must be reigned in. They need to adapt to Europe, not the other way around.
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