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Block_that_Kick
02/24/2024
09:49 AM
#1
They dont for one second believe this. If they get control of the federal government in 2025, they will work to ban it nationwide along with abortion and contraceptives.

https://twitter.com/FoxReports/status/1761067735587394003
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Block_that_Kick
02/24/2024
09:54 AM
#2
Fascists like Mike Johnson are true believers. They believe it is perfectly acceptable and not a sin at all to lie to their enemies in order to advance their gods agenda. Jesuss teachings are meant to restrict everyone else, not them. I saw way too much of this growing up in the rural Midwest.

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Tenlaar
02/24/2024
09:56 AM
#3
What candidates have been against IVF treatments?
ClayGuida
02/24/2024
09:58 AM
#4
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/20/republicans-block-ivf-fertility-bill-roe

Can't really hide from the fact that they blocked codifying IVF.
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Torgo
02/24/2024
09:59 AM
#5
Of course.

The religious right needs compensation for their loyalty and unlike democrats, republicans reward their base.

The reward for their loyalty is an erosion of rights for women and LGBTQ folks, just like the white supremacists are rewarded by attacking immigrants and policies like affirmative action.
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Torgo
02/24/2024
09:59 AM
#6
Tenlaar posted...
What candidates have been against IVF treatments?

You heard about that recent court decision, yeah?
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02/24/2024
09:01 AM
#7
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ClayGuida
02/24/2024
10:08 AM
#8
So is this Republicans admitting that an embryo is not a baby? Because it's hard to reconcile IVF is fine and Life Starts at Conception. These are two opposing views. You can't support both.
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Tenlaar
02/24/2024
10:09 AM
#9
Torgo posted...
You heard about that recent court decision, yeah?
The recent court decision is not candidates opposing IVF. This memo is telling candidates to express their support of IVF treatments, so unless there have been candidates who have opposed IVF treatments then it's not telling anybody to lie.
Tyranthraxus
02/24/2024
10:09 AM
#10
ClayGuida posted...
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/20/republicans-block-ivf-fertility-bill-roe

Can't really hide from the fact that they blocked codifying IVF.
Yes they can lol. They'll just blame the Democrats anyway.
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creativerealms
02/24/2024
10:10 AM
#11
Tenlaar posted...
What candidates have been against IVF treatments?
It's less that they are against it and more that screwed up beliefs when life begins is already harming it in one state. If frozen embryos count as human life an accident can be seen as mass murder.
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Tyranthraxus
02/24/2024
10:10 AM
#12
Tenlaar posted...
The recent court decision is not candidates opposing IVF. This memo is telling candidates to express their support of IVF treatments, so unless there have been candidates who have opposed IVF treatments then it's not telling anybody to lie.

They are instructing people to express support for IVF while banning it on the paperwork where it actually matters. That's called lying.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Tenlaar
02/24/2024
10:11 AM
#13
Tyranthraxus posted...
They are instructing people to express support for IVF while banning it on the paperwork where it actually matters. That's called lying.
What do you mean "banning it on the paperwork?" Where or by whom has IVF been banned?
Southernfatman
02/24/2024
10:11 AM
#14
ClayGuida posted...
So is this Republicans admitting that an embryo is not a baby? Because it's hard to reconcile IVF is fine and Life Starts at Conception. These are two opposing views. You can't support both.

Conservatives believe in many contradictory stances at the same time.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
02/24/2024
10:11 AM
#15
Why are religious people against IVF? These are people that CANT have children TRYING TO HAVE THEM! Whats the reasoning here? Just accept "gods" will? Then adoption should be banned as well. I dont fucking get it! Its cruel! My wifes cousing had her kid thanks to IVF and its currently so thankful for not living in AL.
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Tenlaar
02/24/2024
10:12 AM
#16
CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Why are religious people against IVF?
The overwhelming majority of them aren't.
McMarbles
02/24/2024
10:12 AM
#17
CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Why are religious people against IVF? These are people that CANT have children TRYING TO HAVE THEM! Whats the reasoning here? Just accept "gods" will? Then adoption should be banned as well. I dont fucking get it! Its cruel! My wifes cousing had her kid thanks to IVF and its currently so thankful for not living in AL.
Because its how gay people have children. Cant have that.
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ClayGuida
02/24/2024
10:12 AM
#18
CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Why are religious people against IVF? These are people that CANT have children TRYING TO HAVE THEM! Whats the reasoning here? Just accept "gods" will? Then adoption should be banned as well. I dont fucking get it! Its cruel! My wifes cousing had her kid thanks to IVF and its currently so thankful for not living in AL.
Because they believe that life starts at conception and IVF has an extremely high failure rate.
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Block_that_Kick
02/24/2024
10:18 AM
#19
Tenlaar posted...
What candidates have been against IVF treatments?

Lets start with 125 of them, including the current Speaker of the House.

https://www.jezebel.com/here-are-the-125-members-of-congress-who-sponsored-a-bill-that-would-restrict-ivf
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Tyranthraxus
02/24/2024
10:20 AM
#20
Tenlaar posted...
What do you mean "banning it on the paperwork?" Where or by whom has IVF been banned?

It's defacto banned in Alabama now by making it too legally risky to provide IVF services. Other states will follow as the opportunity arises.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg
Tenlaar
02/24/2024
10:21 AM
#21
Block_that_Kick posted...
Lets start with 125 of them, including the current Speaker of the House.

https://www.jezebel.com/here-are-the-125-members-of-congress-who-sponsored-a-bill-that-would-restrict-ivf
A bill to cement "life begins at conception" into law is not opposition to IVF.
UnsteadyOwl
02/24/2024
10:23 AM
#22
Great. So are they willing to codify into law that frozen embryos are not legally people? If not, they can talk all they want about how much they support IVF but the effect in Alabama or in any states where there are similar rulings will still be a loss of IVF services.

The Alabama ruling didn't outlaw IVF. It caused clinics to stop IVF treatments because if frozen embryos are legally children there's too much liability for those clinics since they're vulnerable to civil lawsuits and even criminal prosecution if anything happens to those embryos.
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TheGoldenEel
02/24/2024
10:24 AM
#23
Tenlaar posted...
A bill to cement "life begins at conception" into law is not opposition to IVF.
Yes it is

perhaps you dont understand what IVF is
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Block_that_Kick
02/24/2024
10:28 AM
#24
Tenlaar posted...
A bill to cement "life begins at conception" into law is not opposition to IVF.

This bill would ban IVF nationwide if it ever became law. You know this, but your entire personality since youve been here is arguing in bad faith.
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Torgo
02/24/2024
10:30 AM
#25
Tenlaar posted...
The recent court decision is not candidates opposing IVF. This memo is telling candidates to express their support of IVF treatments, so unless there have been candidates who have opposed IVF treatments then it's not telling anybody to lie.

Oh, we're playing games instead of addressing the issue as an adult, and since you as a conservative have no moral issue with lying you can pretend it stops there - no reason to be concerned.

So we're pretending state supreme court justices are picked and make their decisions in a political void, and that candidates can then pretend to ignore the issue because elections are in a void now to make your talking point work.

This is part of that compartmentalization process... on the right, all someone has to do is say "GrEeN nEW deAL!!!" or "DEI" and you'll immediately saddle every democrat with it whether they publicly admit they support it or not... that's the irony here.
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Block_that_Kick
02/24/2024
10:34 AM
#26
*SCOTUS strikes down Roe*

GOP: Calm down, libs. It only brings the decision back to the states. Were not going to try to ban it nationwide. Youre all so paranoid.

*A few weeks later after GOP takes House*

GOP: Just kidding, were totally going to try to ban abortion nationwide. Libs owned again!
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streamofthesky
02/24/2024
10:36 AM
#27
If they really support IVF, they could unanimously pass a bill on Monday in both houses of Congress to make IVF legal and outlaw any state from banning the procedure.
Why let them say, "trust us, we're on your side" and wait till they're re-elected, when they can fix this right now if they care so much?
Instead, we see their true position:

ClayGuida posted...
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/20/republicans-block-ivf-fertility-bill-roe

Can't really hide from the fact that they blocked codifying IVF.

Block_that_Kick posted...
Lets start with 125 of them, including the current Speaker of the House.

https://www.jezebel.com/here-are-the-125-members-of-congress-who-sponsored-a-bill-that-would-restrict-ivf

So...vote the fuckers out!

ClayGuida posted...
So is this Republicans admitting that an embryo is not a baby? Because it's hard to reconcile IVF is fine and Life Starts at Conception. These are two opposing views. You can't support both.
I guess what they're saying is, "murdering babies is ok when it's convenient for my political position".
Torgo
02/24/2024
10:42 AM
#28
Block_that_Kick posted...
*SCOTUS strikes down Roe*

GOP: Calm down, libs. It only brings the decision back to the states. Were not going to try to ban it nationwide. Youre all so paranoid.

*A few weeks later after GOP takes House*

GOP: Just kidding, were totally going to try to ban abortion nationwide. Libs owned again!

Yeah man, 100% this.

It's always been this on every issue, and democrats sometimes look like Charlie Brown running to kick the football as Lucy pulls it away and laughs...

Remember all these promises?

  • "Legal abortion/Roe is settled law" - LIE
  • "We only want to make the procedure illegal, we won't criminalize it" - LIE
  • "We will only go after the doctors, we would never jail the woman!" - LIE
  • "We'll make exceptions for rape and incest." - LIE
  • "We won't force minors to carry the rape or incest baby!" - LIE
  • "We'll leave it up to the states." - LIE
  • "We don't want to ban other forms of contraception" - LIE


Oh no, this time.... THIS TIME... it will be the real line... I think we can trust these dishonest religious zealots THIS TIME.... right?

It's unbelievable.
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Dark_Arbron
02/24/2024
10:50 AM
#29
ClayGuida posted...
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/20/republicans-block-ivf-fertility-bill-roe

Can't really hide from the fact that they blocked codifying IVF.

They can "hide" from whatever the liberal media doesn't call them out on.
Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming."
tankboy
02/24/2024
10:58 AM
#30
My amazing daughter was born from a frozen IVF embryo, at considerable expense. But I care 0% about IVF bans in red states. Let their citizens who care most about life leave for more civilized areas. Let their remaining populations atrophy.
tremain07
02/24/2024
11:00 AM
#31
It's pretty obvious that as soon as Republicans take power again every one will suffer
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Tenlaar
02/24/2024
11:07 AM
#32
Torgo posted...
Oh, we're playing games instead of addressing the issue as an adult, and since you as a conservative have no moral issue with lying you can pretend it stops there - no reason to be concerned.
You say I have no issue lying yet here you are once again lying about me being a conservative despite me repeatedly asking you to stop repeating that lie. I am not a conservative.

The recent court decision did not in any way ban IVF treatments. You will not find me disagreeing that Republicans are short sighted and wrong when it comes to the laws they are trying to pass regarding life beginning at conception but I have not seen any of them opposing or trying to outlaw IVF treatments.
Tyranthraxus
02/24/2024
11:30 AM
#33
Tenlaar be like: "Abortion isn't banned you just have to go to jail for 10 years and pay a $100,000 fine but you can still get an abortion."
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Southernfatman
02/24/2024
11:39 AM
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Tenlaar loves doing this devil's advocate/defend the indefensible crap. Don't waste your time with him folks.
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ClayGuida
02/24/2024
11:43 AM
#36
Makes me glad he blocked me years ago.
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Heineken14
02/24/2024
11:44 AM
#37
Everyone: "You just wrote a law that bans abortion."

GOP: "No we didn't, we just made a law that makes it illegal to do anything with the letters "bortion" anywhere in it! Totally different!"
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ItsNotA2Mer
02/24/2024
11:45 AM
#38
tremain07 posted...
as soon as Republicans take power again

Gonna be a long time before that happens again after all the shit they've pulled.
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ssb_yunglink2
02/24/2024
11:45 AM
#39
Tenlaar posted...
You say I have no issue lying yet here you are once again lying about me being a conservative despite me repeatedly asking you to stop repeating that lie. I am not a conservative.

The recent court decision did not in any way ban IVF treatments. You will not find me disagreeing that Republicans are short sighted and wrong when it comes to the laws they are trying to pass regarding life beginning at conception but I have not seen any of them opposing or trying to outlaw IVF treatments.
IVF has a very high failure rate. Classifying these frozen embryos as children means that anytime this child isnt born, for whatever reason throughout the process, legally you killed a child.

Do you not see how its essentially a ban? IVF isnt a simple process as it is, and now ANYTHING going wrong means that under the law of Alabama youre a child murderer. Nobody is going to risk that so yes, its basically banned.

Hee Ho
GeraldDarko
02/24/2024
11:50 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Tenlaar be like: "Abortion isn't banned you just have to go to jail for 10 years and pay a $100,000 fine but you can still get an abortion."
And, technically, he's right. Which is all he needs. He doesn't care about truth seeking, he just needs something to validate what he's saying.
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Unknown5uspect
02/24/2024
11:57 AM
#42
ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Do you not see how its essentially a ban?
But it doesn't explicitly make IVF illegal despite effectively making IVF illegal. It's bullshit and he knows that. He doesn't actually care.
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02/24/2024
10:02 AM
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spikethedevil
02/24/2024
11:58 AM
#44
Can the mods do something about Tenlaars BS for once FFS.
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CADE_FOSTER
02/24/2024
12:03 PM
#45
but fence sitters Biden is just as bad
Shadow_Don
02/24/2024
12:43 PM
#46
Tenlaar posted...
You will not find me disagreeing that Republicans are short sighted and wrong when it comes to the laws

Its been explained to them ad nauseam that these will be the consequences of the laws they pass and they still do it anyways.
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Block_that_Kick
02/24/2024
04:49 PM
#47
https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1761495109474844914
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Kradek
02/24/2024
05:18 PM
#48
CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Why are religious people against IVF? These are people that CANT have children TRYING TO HAVE THEM! Whats the reasoning here? Just accept "gods" will? Then adoption should be banned as well. I dont fucking get it! Its cruel! My wifes cousing had her kid thanks to IVF and its currently so thankful for not living in AL.

Most aren't, the anti-IVF fuckos are a very small, yet well-funded group of right-wing extremists wanting to shove their Christo-fascist views on the rest of us that go too far even for less severe Christo-fascists who think their Christian beliefs should be the law of the land.
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darkace77450
02/25/2024
12:38 AM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
https://twitter.com/anniekarni/status/1761221642800210378

"I believe the life of every single child has inestimable dignity and value."

I must have missed his condemnation of the thousands of Palestinian children killed by Isreal over the past four months. I'm sure it was one of conviction.
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