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Baron_Ox posted...
I dunno, I feel like this is different.

like, I guess I can understand how it might affect the image of metal - marketing things that might not be metal as metal, but idk if it would hurt the actual music.

oh, it is different, absolutely - and i also don' think it would hurt the quality of the actual metal music, but what it would do is just make any kind of specialized website / message board about the topic insufferable. basically all of the major "metal" publications online are already ruined due to this - but there's still great music being made.
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ssjevot posted...
Actually metal is a good example of gate keeping. It used to have a Nazi problem and then people started gate keeping them out of the community and that was a good thing.
To be fair here, gatekeeping Nazis out of your hobby/job/anything is something I think most people can universally agree on as a good thing.

Gatekeeping random Joe's out of a video game series doesn't accomplish much though, as more money going on to a game series usually just means getting more of those games.
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nekrodev posted...
oh, it is different, absolutely - and i also don' think it would hurt the quality of the actual metal music, but what it would do is just make any kind of specialized website / message board about the topic insufferable. basically all of the major "metal" publications online are already ruined due to this - but there's still great music being made.
true, I see how that can make the overall culture around the music worse.
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Gatekeeping honestly seems like one of the saddest things anyone can do.

If you desperately want to feel special, superior or merely different from others, pick a better reason than the sort of media you enjoy.
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I feel like there's already people who went through this when Bethseda got Fallout in the first place tbh.

Also it won't be the series' popularity that destroys the games it'll be their own company if we go by the quality of Starfield.
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Patty_Fleur posted...
I can't explain it but it upsets me.
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Probably the same reason gate keeping fandoms pisses me off.
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ssjevot posted...
Oh. I think this was just from that black era of Capcom where they gave all their series to random Western devs to make shit games. Konami did the same thing (and still does). Capcom renaissance has been in full swing for a while now.

Not enough Megaman tbh. Or at least give me Megaman Legends 3 :(

creativerealms posted...
Probably the same reason gate keeping fandoms pisses me off.


I can't gatekeep. I try so hard to get so many people into my hobbies just to have more people to talk to about it. I can't tell you how long I've been preaching the word of One Piece to my friends. I don't try to force it on them though because I know its not everyone's type of series but damn...
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In my case I was a huge fallout fan about 10 years ago, kinda lost interest in it, but the TV series made me interested in dabbling into the series again. Last night I started playing New Vegas for the first time in about 5 years.
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It's always been mainstream. The TV show is better then 3 and 4 and just exposes how bad they are.
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I can only speak for myself, but it annoys me because of how much Fallout just perpetuates bad myths about just how bad nuclear stuff is.

Because unless there is some lore I am missing from just watching people play the games, the world is still mostly a brown wasteland over a hundred years after the nukes fell. Even Chernobyl basically became a wildlife paradise less than 20 years afterwards since it is apparently more detrimental to wildlife to have humans nearby than it is to be in an area made radioactive by the worst single nuclear release in history. The ones that take place in what used to be a desert like Vegas have an excuse because its still a desert.

Also, why have humans literally not rebuilt even 1600s level housing, and still live in the open-to-the-air, bombed out ruins from pre-war like a century after it happened? Although that one is probably just Bethesda being lazy.

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Revnir posted...
You should want the stuff you like to go mainstream, because it only means you're going to get more stuff.

I really wish Game of Thrones had gone mainstream so they wouldn't have been forced to cut it off after a shitty season 8 because of a lack of funding.
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It was always pretty mainstream. Easily one of the more well-known normie (for lack of a better term) gaming series. Like in the past even before the show I wouldnt be surprised at all if a random coworker had played the games. Whereas I would be surprised if for example they played the Tales of games or something.
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Fallout has been mainstream for over a decade.

I really don't think you types were that into it before all this.
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...
I can only speak for myself, but it annoys me because of how much Fallout just perpetuates bad myths about just how bad nuclear stuff is.

Fallout is based on the 50s ideas of what the future and nuclear war would be like. It's intentionally wrong. It has crazy mutants and radiation zombies for a reason. The technology is still vacuum tube computers. The internet and cell phones never existed (even though the nukes happened farther into the future than we are now). They didn't even have color television. You also have weird 50s robots and so on. The way you get poisoned by and treat radiation is also not correct for these same reasons. It's not meant to be realistic at all.
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...
I can only speak for myself, but it annoys me because of how much Fallout just perpetuates bad myths about just how bad nuclear stuff is.

Because unless there is some lore I am missing from just watching people play the games, the world is still mostly a brown wasteland over a hundred years after the nukes fell. Even Chernobyl basically became a wildlife paradise less than 20 years afterwards since it is apparently more detrimental to wildlife to have humans nearby than it is to be in an area made radioactive by the worst single nuclear release in history. The ones that take place in what used to be a desert like Vegas have an excuse because its still a desert.

Also, why have humans literally not rebuilt even 1600s level housing, and still live in the open-to-the-air, bombed out ruins from pre-war like a century after it happened? Although that one is probably just Bethesda being lazy.

You're trying to apply our universe logic to a universe that is extremely similar but totally different than ours. That's the easiest way to stop and enjoy Fallout.
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Baron_Ox posted...
gatekeeping doesn't make things better for you, it just deprives others of something they might like.

Gatekeeping is great. Not everything should be approached as lightly as My Little Pony.
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Imagine caring about what other people do. Grow up. This comes from a guy who grew up playing FO1 and 2 by the way. Gatekeepers are asinine.
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Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
It upsets you because from now on, you're going to encounter people whose Fallout knowledge is limited to the TV series while knowing jack shit about the videogames, the latter of which are probably the only version that you consider to be canonical.
Even if it sticks to the canon for now (I have no idea if it does, because I have never played Fallout nor been interested in the TV series), these types of TV series inevitably deviate more and more from the source material.
So have fun dealing with that.

Its set in-universe, after the events of Fallout 4, and Todd Howard confirmed that it is 100% canon.
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i'm the total opposite

i still can't believe one of my favorite game franchises is everywhere. even bags on amazon. i would've never imagined something like Fallout could become so mainstream that it appeals to a massive audience. i actually think that's really neat. it might bring about some changes, but honestly, 4 fucked the franchise more than anything so far and it's still here so whatever.

i'm almost even proud of the franchise, especially considering its history of legal troubles between creators and owners. it's come a long way and finally center stage. it's pretty neat.

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buddhamonster posted...
Its set in-universe, after the events of Fallout 4, and Todd Howard confirmed that it is 100% canon.

Yep. I meant to mention this earlier
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I dunno. Elder Scrolls used to be an ancient PC RPG series that I never heard anyone talk about until Skyrim and then all of a sudden anything Bethesda made from then on was constantly talked about and people behaved as if anything Bethesda made was absolute solid gold.

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Mew posted...
Its been mainstream since 3 or 4 lol
This. Ever since Bethesda took over, it's been mainstream.

Patty_Fleur posted...
Amongst gamers only. I fine with that.
No, in general.

Rule of thumb, if it's a AAA game franchise, it's mainstream. It doesn't have to be on the level of recognizability of Mario or Sonic to be mainstream.

Rosstin316 posted...
Its because you used to feel cool and superior having this unique and niche favorite franchise compared to your normie buddies, but now they all like your thing which means your thing is now basic so you aint that interesting.
This is 100% what it comes down to.

And yes, I know the arguments about quality going downhill when trying to appeal to outside audience. It's not a direct correlation. Something can become popular without sacrificing quality, and something can make attempts to reach a large audience and never catch on.

Revnir posted...
You should want the stuff you like to go mainstream, because it only means you're going to get more stuff.

I really wish Game of Thrones had gone mainstream so they wouldn't have been forced to cut it off after a shitty season 8 because of a lack of funding.
I'm dealing with a headache right now, so maybe I'm just missing an obvious joke, but in case I'm not, Game of Thrones was MASSIVELY mainstream. It didn't end due to lack of funding (HBO is still putting money into it, hence the House of the Dragon spinoff). It ended because David Benioff & D. B. Weiss were getting tired of the series and wanted to move onto new projects.
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Patty_Fleur posted...
But do they care about the games?
The show was a hit with players and viewers-only alike. You only care about this because you want to gatekeep. No one is taking away from your enjoyment of the games. And Fallout has been mainstream since 3, New Vegas, and 4.
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I dunno but you should see a professional about that because that's not a healthy state of mind.

Also, Fallout was always mainstream. Not as mainstream as having a show, true, however most mainstream video game franchises don't.
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ScazarMeltex posted...
It's always this.
Agreed. There's no way it has anything to do with the thing they liked being changed to the point of being unrecognizable.
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Something becoming too mainstream can just seems to negatively affect everything, whether too many chefs or not enough care being given to keeping things consistent. Though I'd say that happened to Fallout a while ago, so not too much to complain about with that franchise.
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Last good Fallout game was 9 years ago so if anything you would want renewed interest in the series with new fans

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Tsukasa1891 posted...
Agreed. There's no way it has anything to do with the thing they liked being changed to the point of being unrecognizable.

What in the world was changed to make the Fallout TV show unrecognizable?
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...
Also, why have humans literally not rebuilt even 1600s level housing, and still live in the open-to-the-air, bombed out ruins from pre-war like a century after it happened? Although that one is probably just Bethesda being lazy.
This is something people take issue with with Bethesda's Fallout. In the first two games, you had multiple thriving towns. In the second game, you even had the NCR which was a full-on state/country.

I don't know enough about radiation to properly argue things there, but Chernobyl was a localized event. Nearly the entirety of the US that we see was bombed. It makes sense that it would fuck up the environment a bit more.
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MTRodaba2468 posted...
This. Ever since Bethesda took over, it's been mainstream.

No, in general.

Rule of thumb, if it's a AAA game franchise, it's mainstream. It doesn't have to be on the level of recognizability of Mario or Sonic to be mainstream.

This really isn't true. Gaming has grown alot but there's still a difference between "mainstream in gaming" and "mainstream mainstream"
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NoMeLx22x posted...
What in the world was changed to make the Fallout TV show unrecognizable?

Nothing I think they mean in the future if it continues to be mainstream. Because as it is now, its still just Fallout Thats what I think, at least. Because I had the same question when I first saw that post
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TC thought he was unique because he liked a Franchise called Fallout. Well, Fallout was/is a good Franchise and grew in popularity. It was only a matter of time when "too" many people would eventually like it. Thus making TC nolonger feel unique.

Guess it's time to find something new and do a better job of "Gatekeeping". Wouldn't want something you like to become popular again.

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...
I can only speak for myself, but it annoys me because of how much Fallout just perpetuates bad myths about just how bad nuclear stuff is.

Because unless there is some lore I am missing from just watching people play the games, the world is still mostly a brown wasteland over a hundred years after the nukes fell. Even Chernobyl basically became a wildlife paradise less than 20 years afterwards since it is apparently more detrimental to wildlife to have humans nearby than it is to be in an area made radioactive by the worst single nuclear release in history. The ones that take place in what used to be a desert like Vegas have an excuse because its still a desert.

There wasn't tons of radioactive dirt thrown into the atmosphere with Chernobyl the way there would be with a global scale nuclear war. There was some, but nothing on the scale of a fullscale nuclear war.

The bombs dropped in Fallout, based on cold war weapons, would be between 10 and 33 times the size (cold war nukes were ranged between 250 and 750 kilotons) of what was dropped on Japan. Each. Chernobyl was single blast of roughly 225 kilotons (if my math is correct) There was also significant work put into trying to mitigate the damage caused by Chernobyl as opposed to the fallout world where nothing was done because of the world was completely devastated.

Things still wouldn't be as bad as the Bethesda Fallout's brown color pallet would have you believe, but it certainly would look nothing like Chernobyl does now.
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Tsukasa1891 posted...
Agreed. There's no way it has anything to do with the thing they liked being changed to the point of being unrecognizable.
Like I said before, that's not automatically a given when something catches on with the mainstream. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But it's possible to stick to what appealed people to the property in the first place, even if the people behind the scenes decide to make changes over time, if only to not let it stagnate.

IceCreamOnStero posted...
This really isn't true. Gaming has grown alot but there's still a difference between "mainstream in gaming" and "mainstream mainstream"
With the kind of budget AAA games are given, not just in development, but in marketing and merchandising, they're not just hoping hardcore gamers buy the game. They're hoping casual gamers jump on board too. If those games are successful enough to spawn a franchise, while keeping a AAA budget, it's very likely that that game has enough pop culture awareness that you could call it mainstream.

This is purely anecdotal, so take it with all the salt grains you need, but I've got a number of friends whom are into gaming pretty heavily, and just as many whom don't play games at all. Many of those non-gamers are just as aware of various AAA franchises as the gamers are, Fallout included (and this was before the TV show was announced).
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