This is now an actual Magic the Gathering card

I'm very glad I quit this game 30 years ago.

Calwings posted...

What Call of Duty and Magic the Gathering have been doing is essentially the worst of both worlds. They've thrown all logic and cohesion out the window, alienating their longtime hardcore fans to try and fish for more money from newer casual fans.

I believe the bigger problem is how often it happens. Look at the amount of UB sets and Standards sets being released. If UB was what many expected that it would be a rare thing that it won't impact the game much, I think few would be complaining about it.

But now, It happens so much that the theory that Hasbro wants to basically throw the IP to the wayside for basically being fortnite TCG isn't this farfetched anymore.

And then the little funny trick they pulled that the sets are now standards legal. "You don't have to play with/against them if you don't want to" is not valid anymore, and you will doomblade that Spongebob. The idea that a "UW format" needs to be considered is ridiculous to say the least.

WingsOfGood posted...

name one game that did what Fortnite is doing

one that had 10 cameos across different media spaces

can you?

NBA Jam

Calwings posted...

Will they eventually print these versions in real life too?

I'd guess these are the versions they'll pull any time they want one for a Commander deck or Mystery booster.

012yArthur0 posted...

I believe the bigger problem is how often it happens. Look at the amount of UB sets and Standards sets being released. If UB was what many expected that it would be a rare thing that it won't impact the game much, I think few would be complaining about it.

But now, It happens so much that the theory that Hasbro wants to basically throw the IP to the wayside for basically being fortnite TCG isn't this farfetched anymore.

And then the little funny trick they pulled that the sets are now standards legal. "You don't have to play with/against them if you don't want to" is not valid anymore, and you will doomblade that Spongebob. The idea that a "UW format" needs to be considered is ridiculous to say the least.

Exactly. If it were only a rare thing that didn't happen often, or if it were optional and players had the option to play without them (like you suggested, an alternate format) then it wouldn't be as bad. But when these crossovers basically take over the game and overtake the identity that it's had for so long, that's when the hardcore fans start giving up on the game.

Calwings posted...

Exactly. If it were only a rare thing that didn't happen often, or if it were optional and players had the option to play without them (like you suggested, an alternate format) then it wouldn't be as bad.

I remember a random post in the internet about a theory that when a game starts getting too much cameos and crossovers, it is just a matter of time for the identity of said product to be completely crippled.

I wonder if the reverse also happens, when a character gets in too many franchises as crossovers, like Shovel Knight and 2B.

But when these crossovers basically take over the game and overtake the identity that it's had for so long, that's when the hardcore fans start giving up on the game.

Franchises likes to take die hard fans for granted. So thats why they don't really care about stepping on their toes when taking risks. However, when the tourists end up not staying and the hardcore fans starts leaving, then shit is start hitting the fan.

The only magic crossover that would matter to me is the Magic School Bus and I don't see that happening.

The earliest I remember the cameo thing was NBA Jam. You could play as Bill Clinton, Will Smith, and many, many others. This continued in NFL Blitz, where I think I remember playing as Raiden from Mortal Kombat.

Cartoon_Quoter posted...

That's the first time I've heard that. But even if it is true, by the time they were developed, the other two Deckmaster games (Netrunner and Vampire: The Eternal Struggle) had very not-Magic-like rules.

I believe the rules system was actually a simplified version of MtG called ARC System - three "sets" came out of it, Jim Lee's C-23, one for the Xena TV show, one for the Hercules TV show.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-23_(card_game)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xena:_Warrior_Princess_(card_game)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules:_The_Legendary_Journeys_(card_game)

Accolon posted...

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What are we doing here

Honestly my bagel place closed a month or so ago and it feels like life is falling apart.

Juhanor posted...

I believe the rules system was actually a simplified version of MtG called ARC System - three "sets" came out of it, Jim Lee's C-23, one for the Xena TV show, one for the Hercules TV show.

Yeah, that happened, but it was years later. Upper Deck tried it again a few years after that, too, under the branding "Quickstrike". One was based on the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, the other two based on the Shaman King and Avatar: The Last Airbender anime. None of them were very popular. UD uses similar common rules for some of their card based board games, but I'm not as familiar with the details on those.

Ye, the ARC system was in response to the failure of Deckmaster. The idea was that Deckmaster was supposed to have unifying elements on the cards that could vaguely translate into the other games' rules and it failed in part because the core behind the games was so off that you either never wanted to run cards from the other games or they broke the games to the point that they weren't fun. And that was assuming you even had anything resembling a ruling at all. ARC snipped off all of the ambiguity by making it so that the core rules were fundamentally the same, but then failed because no one actually wanted to use any of the other cards/even knew that they existed in the same space as MtG (literally heard more about that sticker set in early Magic than I did about Xena, as an example). Had they gone that route early enough along they might have made it work, but even then the lack of sleeves until later would have made it a pretty massive undertaking if we are generous in every conceivable way otherwise.

lold irl

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