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The only world they would be interested in doing that IMO is a team with scum Ulti to justify why he is alive for an extra day.
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Oh, I missed that one since it was just a quote, but I see it now.
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I just went through all of MZero's posts from D4 - the only time he mentioned me was joking around with me and he never mentioned Death. He did suspect red during the day, but said near the end of the day that Red might just be town.
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Leafeon13N posted...
Or FD is going to blow us all up.
It was Red who brought up the theory.
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I have a thought that just popped into my head that I want thoughts on.

People asked asked me why a scum team of red/ctes would claim this redirection if it didn't really happen.

Someone today theorized that FD could be an arsonist role. What if red/ctes claimed a fake redirection with this fear? If FD is an arsonist, they could be lying about who got the 'love' so that FD won't target red with it, thinking he already has one.
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I am now realizing the two people who are calling me shit the most are both people I think are scum so
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And I'm honest - you all can kill me. I've given this game so much time and thought and for you all just to shit on me and say I'm bad is pissing me off. It's not worth it.
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Kirby321 posted...
Fills me with more confidence than MI's rabbit holes. If Ctes is town, Red ain't lying about the redirect for the cannister of love.
Clearly you don't know my rabbit hole because I agree. If ctes is town red isn't lying.

(But ctes isnt)
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Maybe you'll listen to my thoughts when you know I'm town

(LOL yeah right)
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Just lynch me tonight so I can go find out if I was right or not y'all are exhausting
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That Suprak game was legit one of my worst games I ever played!
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
I was just kind of thinking about that because with my shot there is a potential for town to be responsible for 3 of their own deaths + the Lopen banishment, if this is all true I'm thinking there might even be only 1 scum left + an indy? Like how else would you balance that?
You don't. Ctes just isn't town.
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I'd also like to point out that we have been talking about how town is weak and now we have a town claim of maybe can get a kill but maybe will cause 1-2 town deaths instead
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Kirby321 posted...
Your claim is so incredibly specific that I'd find it difficult to fake
Is it? He doesn't ever have to prove anything
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ctesjbuvf posted...
I should have read everything up until this point though not necessarily in order.

I think Blade is right that SBell and Lopen cannot be paired. I get the points against both, but Taco and Knightz looks unlikely to be paired either imo. If Taco is scum someone who played baseball mafia is certainly on the table. If you wanna lynch either, less to gamble with by lynching Knightz as taunter can perhaps self resolve.

FD feels towny
Death feels towny
Ulti feels towny
Probably some others did too.

##vote: Wallz

Altight then.


I did a quick ISO of ctes and from when he first showed up to when he posted his 'i read everything now' post he said nothing regarding IGCD either way
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##Vote: Ctes
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Well if ya'll hadn't ended day the way you guys did I would be taking care of it right now.
I take great offense of being lumped into this 'you guys' I had nothing to do with that
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I don't like that we have two people claiming they can earn a vig shot
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"Shucks I totally was going to cop scan red but looks like I was redirected and scanned death instead again what a shame"
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Also if town thinks there IS a scum redirection out there it can be used as an excuse for night actions not working properly moving forward
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Meow1000 posted...
Ultimately does nothing though.
Doesn't it? It stops town from actually scumhunting and if one of them flips scum the theorizes evolve into why did scum switch themselves with town other player and they look better
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No you and Ulti can still be scum together with something else causing the redirect. It's not what I believe but it's possible.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Then your guess is exactly Ulti/Red/me, then how did you talk yourself half out of red only when it's a package you have made? In this case me being scum requires red to be with me, it doesn't make sense to doubt him only.
Oh I didn't talk myself out if it, I'm just aware that I've been on red for like 3 days now so I could be biased. It's still what I believe. I'm open to better suggestions but I haven't seen one yet and I'm not going to spend time theorizing myself when I don't buy it.
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Meow1000 posted...
You'd have to sell me on why Red has any motive at all to tell such a lie. I'm not seeing one.
I mean the topic devolved into like 200 some posts about what could have caused it so I see it as a means to confuse/distract town
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That makes more sense to me than scum having a double roleblock/rolecop and a redirect yes.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
And the redirect then, MI?
You know my thoughts.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
What even is the link between me and Ulti being proposed? That I could vote today and Ulti was jailkept?
Yes. The obvious conclusion would be that Ulti was the votestealer so you had to change your claim to account for why you could vote today.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Everyone called Ulti town until I yesterday spent forever building a theory that he could have Lopens role and now I am seeing someone feel confident about Ctes/Ulti scum team.
This is revisionist, there was plenty of doubt voiced on Ulti with him claiming a scan on SBell
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I don't think scum has a path to victory without lynching me which is why Ulti is so dead set on doing it no matter what
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No your theory has an obvious hole it in that falls apart with any critical thinking and this isn't the first time.

I'm extremely confident at this point on scum ulti claiming lopen's role. I will support lynching him or ctes here.

##Unvote
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Town never ever ever ever swaps Red and ctes.
I agree

Ergo I don't think there was any real swapping.
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How would scum know ctes was suddenly going to scan guilty yesterday Ulti?
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I can admit it's possible my insistence that red is scum is influencing my theory.

But I do feel extremely confident in my ctes/Ulti thoughts.

And I just can't buy a scum redirector appearing here when scum already had such a strong roleblocker
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Meow1000 posted...
Can someone please just sum up all this meta talk so I don't have to bother scrapping through a heap of posts trying to find the small handful that actually say something
Ctes is saying he has to bet on something and if he's right something good will happen and if he's wrong something bad will happen. He's gotten the bad thing 4/4 times. He refuses to tell us anymore details about what things can happen or what the bets are on and we had to beg him to flavor claim.

FD claims he gave the pineapple to ctes but red is claiming he got it. The game devolved into a big talk about where this role redirection could come from. I'm proposing that there was no role redirection and that red/ctes are scum together lying about who got the pineapple to devolve the day into the mess that it became.

I also thing that Ctes is so reluctant to claim because he wasn't prepared to have to claim he was eating his own vote. My theory is Ulti is scum votestealer that has been using on Ctes. When he was roleblocked, Ctes had a vote today and had to scramble for a claim to explain this so that we don't lynch Ulti.

That's my summary with my own thoughts but other can chime in too.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
So what do we hope to achieve today as a scumpair exactly?
I mean a majority of the posts are only about trying to figure out the redirect. Pressure on you for not claiming has gotten lessened and any pressure on Red is effectively gone
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
So you think that ctes and Red are just putting in a show?
Yes. It makes a lot more sense than a secret redirect power we haven't seen yet.
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I feel like a broken record here but yes the easiest explanation is there isn't a redirection at all
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Scum having a redirector on top of the OP roleblocker with our town claims feels like a fantasy
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PunishedBen posted...
So scum either - redirected FD to Ctes

Bussed Ctes to Red

Or swapped Ctes and Red

But the redirection one sounds impossible because then why would you redirect the pineapple, and why was that not used to redirect something more important earlier in the game? So why would scum swap the target of Ctes and Red? As usual I forget how bussing works. Does it work where if scum was expecting Ulti to scan Red last night, which they instead get the result of scanning Ctes?

Is that why they let Ctes scan guilty. And Red is town? Big theories going on here and thats why I want to know if Ulti knows exactly who he scanned each night
Or ctes and red are scum together and this is all fake
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I mean it makes more sense than Starburns
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Another option that I'm not sure on but to put it out there

If ctes/red are both scum they could be faking who got the pineapple to cause confusion amongst town
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ctesjbuvf posted...
The third option is redirect FD to you
None of these options make sense to me tbh
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Also look at how much Ulti is defending him.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
So what your theory is that Ulti has been stealing my vote every day until now?
I said this earlier as a theory, yes.

Days ago we talked about the possibility that scum is blocking their own to make them seem town. It's a low value scum power to use on town because it doesn't have much of an impact until end game and risks them being seen moving or getting redirected.

However, Ulti faking cop would likely feel like he would not be targeted by MZero or Kirby here and feel safe moving. But then when he was blocked, if you didn't claim responsibility for the blocking yourself, he's dead. So now you're coming up with a new claim to justify it and keep him alive.

Obviously just a theory but I think it's worth considering when you're being so cagey with even your flavoe.
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FD you just get a successful message? It doesn't say who you targeted?
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Yes I have stalled making my fakeclaim for what 72 hours and then somehow forgot to prepare it at all. You sure got me there.
Again, if Ulti getting blocked made you have to pivot your fake claim to say you are losing your own vote, you might not be able to use what you prepared.
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You're being asked because your refusal to give anything even flavor, just makes you seem like you don't have a claim prepared imo
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What have your bets been
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htaeD posted...
Ctes sure had plenty of time for his teammates to prepare a claim tho
Not if they weren't expecting a block today and they don't have flavor experts!
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And then the reason he's only half claiming and not flavor claiming is because they weren't planning this and don't have a claim planned for this
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