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The Art of Wrestling #100 is up.

It's guest host CM Punk interviewing special guest Colt Cabana!

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From: TheConductorSix | #041
Mick Foley is Good...At Putting Butts Into Seats

The two SICKEST pops I ever saw live.

1.When Austin showed up I swear to you I thought he was GOD. I thought he could do anything. The crowd felt the same way. People were jumping out of their seats just trying to get a look at him.

2.When Mick Foley won...life was better than it has ever been. It was so sweet, so perfect. We didn't care that the ending wasn't clean. Mick Foley was the champion of the world. Mrs. Foley's Baby Boy was the greatest champion in the world. We could have all died happy that night.


Well, wrestling historians would later mark this day as the beginning of the end for WCW. In an attempt to put their show over because they were live and WWE was taped, Tony Shciavone announced the ending of the match and said "that'll put some butts into seats".

Everyone switched over to watch it and boom, the WWF would never look back.

Let's not forget what WCW countered with that night!

For hours, they advertised a Starrcade rematch, Nash defending against Goldberg!

Then they baited and switched that with an "Elizabeth frames Goldberg for stalking her" angle and replacing him with Hogan.

Then Nash vs. Hogan ends in a SWERVE~! via the fingerpoke of doom to reform a united nWo.

WWF gave everyone what they wanted that night.

WCW gave everyone...nothing they wanted that night.

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One more quickie before I get ready to watch Impact:

Undertaker....I Can Beat You...


Basically the greatest video package WWE has ever put together from an artistic standpoint (qualifier there to avoid debate).

The End of Shawn Michaels is the only truly great story WWE has told from beginning to end since Evolution. There have been bigger moments. There have been better concepts. But somewhere along the way they always stumble.

Not this time.

This ain't Shakespeare.

But that doesn't mean it can't be Hemingway.

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Speaking of ECW, here are some examples of Steve Austin going on television and demonstrating those same balls Realo alluded to earlier:



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In the interest of fairness, here's some love to a historically earth-shattering moment for a visionary company that in the end bit off a bit more than they could chew:

The Night the Line Was Crossed


Shane Douglas made a career out of this moment.

In 1994, the NWA was in shambles. They had left WCW, they had basically no affiliates left, they were starting from scratch, basically. So the NWA Board of Directors found a hot up-and-coming promotion in Philadelphia by the name of Eastern Championship Wrestling, and decided to begin again from there.

They held a tournament to crown a vacant NWA World Heavyweight Champion. That tournament was won by the reigning Eastern Championship Wrestling heavyweight champion, Shane Douglas. This is the point where, as far as the NWA Board of Directors knew, Shane was going to put over the title and proudly begin the era of NWA Eastern Championship Wrestling.

Needless to say, that didn't happen.

Shane Douglas and head booker Paul Heyman knew that this was bad business, that the NWA model no longer worked in the post-territorial '90s. So they concocted this swerve on the NWA representatives, to not only denounce them, but to build buzz for their own company.

And it worked. It worked more than anyone could have ever imagined.

This is the night Extreme was born.

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And then 4 1/2 years later Bret finally did come back, and they buried the hatchet.


And I was finally able to forgive HBK.

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Forget Montreal, I wanted to murder Shawn Michaels that night!

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From: TheConductorSix | #023
Jakyl, you're not a Heel just because people boo you. Not in the modern Wrestling World. You are not a heel when I boo you as a person but when I boo you as a character. I never booed Rock as a person it was always his character.

Right, but we're fast reaching a point where this is becoming harder and harder to actually accomplish. If John Cena suddenly "turned badass" and assaulted CM Punk and won the WWE Championship again, people would boo, to be sure.

But if the CURRENT John Cena character gets a match with CM Punk and wins the WWE Championship again, people would boo EVEN LOUDER.

There are ways to capitalize on those boos. That's why they sell Anti-Cena merch!

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Speaking of Canadian promos by great heels:

"Who's Your Daddy, Montreal!"
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq9mks_shawn-michaels-heel-promo_sport

In 2005, Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels agreed to have a feud together. Originally, Michaels proposed it as face vs. face, with a series of 3 matches, wherein they would split the first two and then have the rubber match at Wrestlemania with Hogan going over. Hogan agreed, initially.

Then Hogan got cold feet. Now, Shawn Michaels is certainly no slouch when it comes to backstage politics, but Hogan is the absolute king. First he demanded that Shawn turn heel because he wanted it "old-school" (translation: he didn't want to be out-cheered). Shawn agreed, kicking and screaming, and decided to take advantage of this to run one of the more scathing heel assaults on anyone.

And Hogan couldn't do anything about it, because prima donna Hogan only showed up once a month.

Shawn blasted Hogan left and right in segments on Raw (most notably the faux-Larry King interview). He put over how great he was and how hypocritical and impotent Hogan's beliefs were. He nailed Hogan for being the fraud that he is.

It all culminated in this promo, one of the grandest examples of a wrestler holding an audience captive against their will, able to do whatever he freaking wants. It's not a great promo on a technical level, but damn is it heated. And the moment in that promo, oh dear god the moment. Montreal is the one place on Earth that legitimately wanted Shawn Michaels's blood, and he squeezed every single ounce of animosity that night for all it was worth.

Post-script: Hogan was pissed and called off the series, only keeping Match #1 where Hogan wins. And we all know how that went...


And then the next night Hogan was gone, HBK put him over with tongue so firmly in cheek you'd need the jaws of life to speak again, and then turned face like none of this ever happened.

But it did, and here we have the final heel masterpiece of Shawn Michaels.

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There's a sentiment out there that, in a way, Cena already is the current biggest heel in wrestling, because he's pretty much the only guy right now people will buy a ticket to BOO.

Turning Cena heel is not a matter of an nWo sort of turn. When it does happen, whenever they feel comfortable enough that Sheamus or Punk or whoever is capable of carrying the merch load, they won't even have to change Cena's character. Just position the current character as being the overly-protected golden boy instead of as the paladin of morality and voila.

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The tables have turned! CANADA has the power and we Americans are left to search high and wide for your WWE scraps.

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The WWE Title basically revolves around her whims at the moment.

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Wrestling needs more of this, I agree XIII


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From: TheConductorSix | #010
They pissed you off because you loved it. They can throwing was a symbol of our affections. It let them know they were doing their jobs better than we could've imagined.

One of the things that bothers me most about modern wrestling fans (and this goes up and down the board from WWE to the smallest local feds) is their post-modern fan reactions. When they enjoy a heel's work, they CHEER now. It's so counter-productive to the product!

And trust me, I've had this debate with people that I consider very knowledgeable and intelligent wrestling fans and they still don't agree. When I'm at a show I NEVER cheer the heel. If I love their work I will boo my f***ing ass off at them.

EDIT: CHIKARA is excepted from that fan critique. Their fans "get it." And TNA's fans are mostly excepted as well because they're directed on who to cheer and who to jeer and behave accordingly.

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And jeez, Rock is still the ONLY black man to win the WWE Championship (i.e. the "real one").

The only other black World Champions in WWE have been Booker T and Mark Henry and they gave both of them the SmackDown belt.

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From: TheConductorSix | #005
oh crap Jakyl that was Chris Benoit I'm thinking of. Whoops. Was Guerrero's Summerslam?


As for the Rock/Austin thing, I truly believe it was a mortal tie. Most wrestling fans tend to be white so I am not offended that they relate to Austin's character more. I don't see it as racism or anything because these same people cheered their heads off for the Rock. But for me, a half black half white kid who related to both characters, I can NEVER pick a favorite between them. They both transitioned from heel to face to heel so effortlessly that they became the foundation for the modern anti-hero.


I don't think it has to do with race so much as it has to do with the class system in America and the general audience of professional wrestling.

Don't get me wrong, wrestling is still and has always been a very racist-friendly industry, in the sense that exploiting an audience's racism to make a buck is not only allowed but encouraged. FOR THE MOST PART, Rock transcended all of that on sheer force-of-nature charisma. There has never been a professional wrestler more charismatic than The Rock, almost to a fault because he clowned everyone else so much that he made them look bad.

The difference between Austin and Rock and where the fanbases that prefer either lie is more based on class. Austin represents the lower class who fought and struggled for every dime, while Rock represents the privileged elite, born into the business based on bloodline and flaunting his style and to a small extent his opulence. I think for the most part, if you were doing okay financially (and in the late '90s this was more prevalent) you could identify more with Rock and look up to him, whereas if you were lower middle class you saw Austin as your idol. They both represented wish fulfillment to various people.

I mean, Rock was the first black man to win the WWF Championship and that is never celebrated. He transcended race that much.

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Guerrero's was at No Way Out the month before WM, when he beat Brock Lesnar.

Then he defended at WM against Angle, and Benoit won his title from Triple H, and then they celebrated together their accomplishments against all odds and lived happily ever after. <__<;

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From: TheConductorSix | #001
2.Feel free to post YOUR favorite moments. I expect an essay from Jakyl on Eddie Guerrero's title win at Wrestlemania.

Eddie Guerrero never won a title at Wrestlemania

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- The early data for TNA Slammiversary is in, and the show appears to have done around 14,000-15,000 buys. Last year's Slammiversary event did around 7,500 buys, and in 2012, TNA has been doing 7,000-10,000 PPV buys per show.


Fire Russo
Double Buyrates

I like it.

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2ken

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That match ended in a simultaneous Pin on Angle/Tapout by Taker (well, it did on a re-shoot anyway), which I BELIEVE is the only known occurrence of Undertaker tapping out.

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No sign of NXT yet.

I'll keep a lookout, but we might just have to wait until someone who gets it on TV uploads it unofficially.

It's also entirely possible that since the shows are pre-taped so far in advance now, instead of just on Tuesday night the day before, that Wednesday is no longer the day they "officially air." Maybe Saturday or something! FCW airs on Sundays and there's only a few more weeks left of that before Brighthouse Cable customers start getting NXT, so maybe Sunday is NXT's new "official day."

Who knows.

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I like how Vince just completely erases Backlund from existence here.

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Vince McMahon, now having regained control of the company, decided to keep the Raw and SmackDown brands separate. In order to facilitate competition between the brands, he decided to delegate executive responsibility to a General Manager for each brand.

For SmackDown, he selected...his daughter, Stephanie McMahon!

For Raw, he selected...FORMER WCW EXECUTIVE ERIC BISCHOFF!

The world was stunned as Vince McMahon and Eric Bischoff, once mortal foes, shook hands on Monday Night Raw, and shared an embrace!

In order to kickstart the competition, Vince declared that every WWE Superstar was up for grabs. For a grace period of 2 months, anyone could switch brands if they want, and it was up to the GMs to find ways to put together the best roster.

One major target of Raw was Triple H. Originally, the nWo was attempting to woo him to Raw (what with them already being 3/5 of the Kliq and all), but after Kevin Nash suffered a torn quad, Vince McMahon came out on Raw and basically handwaved the nWo from existence meta-textually. One of the odder things you'll ever see.

HBK was still trying to get Triple H to come to Raw though, and Triple H was torn between his best friend and his ex-wife! He is set to make his final decision at Vengeance!

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LOTS of storyline stuff between King of the Ring and Vengeance, so let's get the titles out of the way first:

Jeff Hardy d. William Regal for the European Title on Raw.

On a special Independence Day Weekend SmackDown, Edge and Hulk Hogan team up to defeat Billy & Chuck for the Tag Team Titles, the first tag titles of Hogan's illustrious career in any company!

Hardcore Title starts on Bradshaw and goes:
Bradshaw -> Shawn Stasiak -> Spike Dudley -> Steven Richards -> Bradshaw -> Shawn Stasiak -> Spike Dudley -> Steven Richards -> Bradshaw -> Raven -> Crash Holly -> Steven Richards -> Bradshaw -> Steven Richards -> Crash Holly -> Christopher Nowinski -> Bradshaw -> Steven Richards -> Crash Holly -> Christopher Nowinski -> Bradshaw -> Justin Credible -> Spike Dudley -> The Big Show -> Bradshaw -> Justin Credible -> Shawn Stasiak -> Bradshaw -> Justin Credible -> Shawn Stasiak -> Bradshaw -> Johnny Stamboli -> Bradshaw

Yeah only one more update of that nonsense, thanks goodness.

Undisputed Champion: The Undertaker
Women's Champion: Molly Holly

Intercontinental: Rob Van Dam
European: Jeff Hardy
Hardcore: Bradshaw

Tag Team: Hulk Hogan/Edge
Cruiserweight: Jamie Noble

Storyline updates coming next.

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Just switched from Version 9 of the site to Version 12 for the first time to see the new thin header.

I really like Version 12 except for one thing that bugs me--the text colors for links.

In V9 unclicked links are black text and previously clicked links are light blue. In V12 (and other more recent versions it seems), unclicked links are a darker blue and previously clicked links are the same light blue.

I like the layout of V12 but is there anyway to get the black text for links back without going back to V9? I didn't see any Message Board setting for it. Maybe something in GameFOX?

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http://www.wwe.com/classics/greatest-technical-wrestlers

Neat little article where various wrestlers break down what makes Bret Hart, Daniel Bryan, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, Dynamite Kid, William Regal, and Bob Backlund appear near the top of the list of the best technical wrestlers in history, with some minor breakdowns of their different styles and approaches and links to some of their best matches.

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We have to wait and see if they even decide to upload it first.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/polls/best-ladder-match

BOOO @ the lack of HBK vs. Jericho on this poll. I still prefer HBK vs. Razor 1 but it's totally the 2nd-best ladder match in WWE history.

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Well I think what he means is that it's more of a true ADVENTURE game. Survival Horror such as RE1 is really just adventure games with an emphasis on scares and limiting ammo.

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SmartMuffin posted...

and my grandma called to let me know Benoit was dead,

Jakyl's grandma is a smark? I guess it's genetic!

No, she just knows my love of wrestling and called to tell me a wrestler died.

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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

This reminds me, this week is the beginning of the new NXT, isn't it?

What time do we want to set the synchtubing for that? 8 PM EST sound good?

There is still some dispute as to whether or not WWE will actually put it up.

They've taken all the NXT mentions off the "Show" subheading but that could possibly be to just replace it with the new logo tomorrow. The preview for last week's episode indicated that the new one was coming this week.

If it only airs internationally as some feared then who knows when it'll actually hit YouTube. It might be too big of a hassle to SynchTube every week. :-(

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Speaking of Benoit, this Sunday is the 5 year anniversary of his death.

ROH has a PPV that day called "Best in the World: Hostage Crisis"

That's almost accidentally offensive. <_<

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I don't watch the news, I avoided Twitter and wrestling sites, and I avoided going into APWT. How would I know?

I was actually mentally preparing myself to catch up on wrestling and see Vince open one of the Raws with the tragic news. I was watching the PPV when Owen died, I found out about Eddie's death from PWB, and my grandma called to let me know Benoit was dead, I wasn't about to be caught unaware again!

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And then the next APWT Topic Title was "On this day, I see clearly..." or something.

EDIT: Or maybe even "On this day, we miss dearly..."! You can see my worry!

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Icehawk sent me a text along the lines of "Oh wow that's so awful to hear what happened to Edge" or something that I just ignored. <_<

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Quick Random poll: What's the farthest behind you've ever fallen on wrestling that you still decided to catch up on instead of just skipping to the present?

Last year I think I got like 4 weeks behind after Wrestlemania, to the point where I didn't even catch Extreme Rules until the Thursday after it aired.

I had to live with the offhand knowledge for weeks that SOMETHING bad happened to Edge but I didn't know what. I was actually worried he might be dead. <___<

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You haven't ordered ANY PPVs in several years?

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Honestly I don't think I've even seen 100 SmackDowns "when they aired" in the show's 13 year history.

Just because I catch every episode of everything WWE puts out there doesn't always mean I do it in a timely fashion. <_<

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FFDragon posted...

Smackdown is generally uninspiring.

You take that back!

If forced to watch only either Raw OR SmackDown from the Brand Split to present I would choose SmackDown in a heartbeat!

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SmackDown spoilers are remarkably uninspiring.

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That would confirm her status as crazy though!

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I hadn't seen that one, that's awesome.

Man, Steen vs. Richards 2 is like the ONLY thing worthwhile on the ROH PPV this weekend.

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I'm still upset that Russo didn't go with my "Winter is Angelina Love's Tyler Durden" storyline.

I'm just taking it out on her, I'm sorry.

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And Lopen is definitely not wrong in his assessment that we care more about this BECAUSE it's our dream girl AJ doing it.

If everything else was the same except the girl was played by Winter I doubt we'd all care as much.

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I envision a day soon where Bryan realizes that maybe he underestimated AJ, that she really COULD be very useful to help win matches with, as she has been demonstrating recently.

And then he takes her back

And then she screws him over deliberately.

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My biggest fear really is that this angle loses Bryan in the background as it now becomes more about Punk and Kane and AJ.

Bryan is the catalyst of all of this and it is to him that the ultimate downfall should happen.

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I never said she wasn't crazy. Crazy like a fox is still crazy! I'm just saying that it's not some off-the-wall "wow what will that psycho do next?" crazy.

Manipulating his success also goes back to her relationship with Bryan. He used her to manipulate his success! That's what she knows!

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Lopen posted...

Crazy with motive is still crazy, though!

Right but it's not INSANE. There's a twisted AJ logic behind all of this, which is all very immature and self-centered but still goal driven.

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But yet she's still manipulating his success.

She flipped out on Kaitlyn because Kaitlyn dared belittle her pain over losing Bryan. Their conversation was going well and she was accepting Kaitlyn's outreach of support for helping her move on UNTIL Kaitlyn said "This pity party over Daniel Bryan has to stop."

*SLAP*

She wasn't crazy towards Kaitlyn without motive.

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Lopen posted...

And I'd be perfectly fine with that but the problem is she lead into all of this with mental breakdowns before Punk's "I dig Crazy chicks" and before Kane was in the picture. So she can't be totally on the manipulative end of the spectrum. And there's enough evidence of her being manipulative that she probably can't be totally on the crazy end, either (though you could actually explain away everything she's done as whims of a crazy person, on a stretch)

Mental breakdowns, yes. Like SMuffin said, she lost the love of her life for the crime of giving him a good luck kiss. She was devastated for a month and kept trying to crawl back to Bryan and just make things right again, but he kept refusing. That was legit. There was no psychotic behavior or manipulation there, just a dark attachment to a dead ideal.

THEN Punk entered the picture, and THEN the "psycho behavior" started happening.

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