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another name surprisingly missed on these lists is Bill Burr. he's gonna be top 3 easy among modern ones so i'd have expected something considering the other names thrown around.

Wanglicious posted...

George Carlin
Dave Chapelle
Richard Pryor

4th is harder. those 3 though, they're each arguable GOAT and influenced multiple generations as well as countless comedians. tentatively, and scanning through this topic:

Jon Stewart

Daily Show's influence is one i'd put over people like Gervais, Norm, Eddie Murphy, or Joan who i'd consider possible 4ths too. but of them, i gotta stick with Jon.

switch Jon Stewart with Robin Williams.

can't believe i forgot him. that man's standup was absolute gold and his bit on golf is one of the best of all time. his movie career half the time was improv too; they literally could not write him into parts, that's how good he was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14NQIq4SrmY

George Carlin
Dave Chapelle
Richard Pryor

4th is harder. those 3 though, they're each arguable GOAT and influenced multiple generations as well as countless comedians. tentatively, and scanning through this topic:

Jon Stewart

Daily Show's influence is one i'd put over people like Gervais, Norm, Eddie Murphy, or Joan who i'd consider possible 4ths too. but of them, i gotta stick with Jon.

Lopen posted...

Also MGS2 had zero votes but got up to 3 shortly after I voted it.

hell, you're the only other tetris vote and i was surprised when i was first.

oh hey it's another OnePlus guy.
they're definitely the bang for buck guys on the higher end of hardware.

was around 650, hadn't upgraded in 3 years. not sure when the next will be but every 3-4 generations feels about right.

El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron
The Last of Us
Tetris
Undertale

went for a mix of fantastic visuals, storytelling, and immersion for the first two. different weight on 'em and i don't think anyone else will mention El Shaddai even though this is the one category it has legs on.

Tetris was picked for its simplicity and its ability to grab a player and keep them attached to it. in terms of something that's mastered the art of a video game, little tops it. i do wonder if Baldur's Gate 3 will end up on the short list here when it's complete as well but too soon for that.

Undertale for its uniqueness and also trying to take video games to a different level as not just a game but an experience too, without losing track that it's a video game. that's the pitfall i find lost in a lot of the more pretentious ones.

anything with Denuvo in it.
and i think Lost is probably the first series a lot of people had that'd define this.

on the one hand, Thanos and Vulture can be complex characters but Dafoe's Green Goblin is probably my favorite. nothing overly complicated or difficult to understand, just pure malice and evil. if it was any other actor i don't think it'd have been the same. sometimes i just want a villain to be a villain and he embodied that.

super robot wars.
you gotta eventually run amuro and some big name robots.

Heracles
Zeus
Harpy
Centaur

first two feel like locks.
last two i'm unsure of. Cerberus is very frequently used for a guard beast, hound of hell, etc but the Harpy is being slept on; those half bird half woman creatures are used in regular language to this day, they're with countless variations in just about every action game and a bunch of RPGs. out of all the monsters i think they're the #1 for greek myth, even more so than Cerberus or Centaurs, who i'd say are #2, largely because i don't give sirens the credit for mermaids.

technically you'd probably be better off nominating peter pan over Link since he was the direct inspiration, directly from the mouth of Miyamoto/Tezuka.

make it compatible with PC/Windows and i can at least consider the notion of it.
on the PS5, why bother it's the PS5.

also saying go for what you want, the rushmore topics are chill and full of random info that keeps it fun. also if you want fun arguments you can't really get more than talking video games.

Wanglicious posted...

Hulk
Yoda

only 2 i'd say have to be here due to cultural impact and continued legacy. most other green characters are there for a generation or two maybe, those two have 50 years of relevancy. i also figure this has to be a character by default so no personified version of lady liberty (otherwise statue of liberty is an obvious pick).

just gonna round myself out here:

Hulk
Yoda
Kermit
Wicked Witch of the West

greatly underestimated Kermit, Wicked Witch was off in the "I know but I forgot I know" thought process initially. amusingly the weakest here might be Hulk, which is funny because he's also the most relevant today thanks to Marvel's movie success. not for too long or by as much though, Wicked Witch has part 1 of the Wicked movies with Ariana Grande this year; Yoda has Baby Yoda from a few years ago and whatever Disney wants to do (teenage yoda when).

-hotdogturtle-- posted...

I feel the same way that you do about these two, and yet I also feel that Kermit is on a tier above them and these are the clear 2-3.

initially was going to disagree then saw the wiki on him and uh... yeah totally understandable. i did not realize he was that big for such a long time. 80s and 90s sure, i grew up in that, didn't realize he was basically on everything decades before it. or that the US government made literal stamps of him in '05. he's dropped off in relevance in more recent years but pretty ridiculous history of what anyone did, let alone a muppet in real life.

oh. well that's fair, i don't think people realize her influence, that movie's influence, or nuance of TV back then. like you hear it in passing, see the extra media that came out of it - Wicked especially - and have a general idea but it's kind of a tired line. but that would put her with not just influence in movies, musicals, horror, depictions of witches, and the timespan is def long enough.

Snake5555555555 posted...

What do you feel about the Wicked Witch?

has a place for sure, more than people think. Wizard of Oz didn't just popularize witches as green, it possibly invented that notion. typically witches would have all kinds of colors to them but green ended up being the color chosen because 1, it looked good and scary, 2, it looked poisonous, and 3, it looked good on TV too.

that last bit is a big one too. black and white TVs could not display white very well and if you wanted that color to appear, you used green makeup. this is partially why Frankenstein's monster is green as well, and probably a precursor to a lot of horror.

other common green things people seem to be forgetting... Slimer, Frankenstein's Monster, Medusa, Shen Long, i don't know what the most popular Zombie is, technically Azure Dragon of Chinese mythology is sometimes called green dragon (as well as blue dragon, and blue green dragon). there's a lot of green. especially dragons.

also one i thought of but i don't personally feel right about is Godzilla, who's only sometimes green but it's largely the non-films that do that. movie Godzilla is usually grey (though there are 2-3 Godzilla movies where that's his color), anything else is usually green.

Hulk
Yoda

only 2 i'd say have to be here due to cultural impact and continued legacy. most other green characters are there for a generation or two maybe, those two have 50 years of relevancy. i also figure this has to be a character by default so no personified version of lady liberty (otherwise statue of liberty is an obvious pick).

only reason i don't include cheesecake is because it's neither a cake nor a pie, it's a tart.

their worlds are crumbling almost as fast as their nation after they told Gandhi no in Civ 5/6.

i thought that was true too but get where the misunderstanding came from; since his AI was built for non aggression and heavy into science, nuclear development would occur later on but military development would be minimalistic. as a result, should war be declared against him, his go-to answer would be nukes as he literally doesn't have an army to fight back with. it's working as intended to create an amusing result and an even more amusing hoax from a mix of misunderstanding and making shit up.

also the only reason i have Sonic in melee over nude lara croft is because it went from such an urban legend that Nintendo went "know what, let's do that" in the very next iteration.

there's gotta be something to a legend becoming actual advice a company took.

Mew under the truck
Nuclear Gandhi
Madden Curse
Sonic in Melee

first 3 seem like locks. last one i'm unsure of.

i legit forgot it had a 3ds sequel.

ZeroSignal posted...

Megan Fox

this feels like a time loop.
she stopped existing in movies and media only to randomly reappear and has gotten uh... worse, maybe? same?

NSMB2 is on the Switch, with full YEAR OF LUIGI edition. the DS and Wii ones haven't been ported yet but that seems like an obvious triple pack for the successor which should totally happen.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Calling 2D Mario dead up until that point is super misleading. I mean, I see what you're trying to say but it makes it sound like it hadn't sold or been good for a while, they were still super beloved and played.

there were literally no new games in that time period, everything was a port.
if it was any other series what else would we call that?

like if we had FF1-6, then no new FF games for 16 years but just a bunch of ports, would you not say it's dead? that's just the reality of how little there was in that category. it was all 3D, ports, and nothing more until NSMB.

Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

game that started it.
game that moved it to 3D.
game that revived the series in 2D.
literally one of the best selling games year over year over the past almost decade and represents spinoffs better than anything.

really is impossible to deny NSMB as a success story. it's weird seeing as much fighting over it, fact is that's what redefined 2D Mario again and it has the numbers to prove it. hell you can even use time as the measurement - the list of new 2D Mario games goes from World in 1990 all the way to 2006 with the DS NSMB. Wii version comes out 3 years later and sets the standard. that is a 16 year gap. the DS didn't quite do what Miyamoto wanted it to do but the Wii one did and it's how the game is played now. 2D Mario was straight up dead until that series came up and the most influential entry is the Wii one. which is funny because 2D Mario proved, with that series, to outsell its 3D counterpart with ease.

Green Hill Zone
Drowning
Live and Learn

green hill zone and drowning theme are honestly the only one two that should def be here, former for its classic theme and the latter for traumatizing multiple generations. live and learn is just the best Crush40 song. 4th is hard because it can be a meme song, a classic sonic song, or something else that you don't even realize is a sonic song. i'll just go with the last one here and pick:

Diamond Dust Zone (Act 1) - Sonic 3D Blast (Saturn/PC)

def a weirder one however this one is actually played outside of Sonic or video games - it's straight up a Christmas theme that gets played publicly without people knowing it.

7-8 easily bigger than 8-9.
if for no other reason it was the year they went to x86 architecture. from the Cell and PowerPC to standard PC.

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1765792518245937570

does it count if WWE makes a request on twitter

technically the answer to this is going to be something much, much more modern. Blade Buster for example released in 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypy4GWrC0wY

not exactly the answer you may be looking for but if you want to see the absolute limits of the hardware there certainly are a couple games and developers that have done unique things with NES hardware. found another video with a bunch of examples here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KLhFNmmgUo

Grand_Kirby posted...

I dropped it because after Gamecube the Nintendo consoles start getting hard to categorize. They start to feel "in-between" generations. Wikipedia lists the Wii U and the Switch as being in the same gen, which... I guess? But it made things awkward so I felt it was easier to focus on the consoles that are more obviously sorted into their era.

Nintendo's a weird one to categorize because on top of underpowered console hardware, handhelds are consistently a generation behind in tech but with all the experience and development made. I just go more or less by time period which is what I think most people do as well, and that's why Wii U/Switch fall together. Switch was basically a 3DS successor in hardware and a replacement to the failed Wii U.

also anyone talking level design and gameplay is really sleeping on 5th to 6th. it's not just graphics, the biggest improvement was to game physics. the graphics helped on that in that it allowed you to actually visualize clearly, interact clearly, and move in ways that couldn't be done before because, simply put, neither hardware nor software was there yet. as in we literally didn't have the tech yet. for some perspective on this, over on PC land Unreal Engine released in 1998, 2nd was out in 2001. Xbox used DirectX, Nintendo used something similar to OpenGL, Sony was... well, Sony.

survival horror got things like Fatal Frame, Silent Hill 2, RE4, none could've been done before. platformers got things like Ratchet and Clank, action/adventure got Metroid Prime, action got to exist in Devil May Cry and the evolution it had by the time it got to 3 was enormous along with games like God of War that tried a bit of platforming. Katamari Damacy is an easy example of scale and object interaction along with crazy physics that you didn't just see but you made. the PS2 Ace Combat trilogy on gameplay and cinematics, MGS2 and 3 on gameplay and cinematics. turnbased RPGs didn't have much to improve on beyond visuals but action RPGs were able to become a genre that could exist (see: KH) and the concept of freely moving around in combat became real between Tales of Symphonia, Abyss, and Star Ocean 3 (which wasn't a good game otherwise but hey).

oh yeah, can't forget the importance of storage either. between DVDs and yes, even the Gamecube's mini discs, the increased storage helped a ton. the generations after are definitely a case of diminishing returns but that's because it was the 6th gen that managed to reach a level where things worked as opposed to trying to figure out.

5th to 6th wasn't just better graphics, it was better engines, better controls, better hitboxes, etc. it was an enormous leap in gameplay.

4th to 5th was a huge leap because of the third dimension and the leap it brought but 5th to 6th is the one that let you use that in all kinds of games and created many, many new genres. basically the older gen was trying something new, the newer gen was perfecting what it could actually do, in every genre.

usually the remake because there's quality of life improvements more often than not.
if they change the gameplay around a lot, may go for the original though.

ZenOfThunder posted...

I dont know why everyone is voting for Creeper, you might survive but theres a chance you lose a limb or get severe burns

everything else has magic, psychic powers, fire breathing, rockets, or is Pyramid Head. glados included, i don't have a portal gun to redirect rockets so i'll take my chances at a suicide bomber with one attack over something with multiple explosions that'll gib me.

Lucky the Leprechaun
Trix Rabbit
Captain Crunch
Tony the Tiger

big cats don't really have much competition though? lions, tigers, leopards, jaguars. panthers aren't a breed they're just one of the last two.

dog breeds people know though. goldens, weiner dogs, shiba, poodle, shitzu, pommerarians, chihuahuas, great danes, pitbulls, etc. there's at least something there.

ZenOfThunder posted...

is this fictional cats and dogs? (idk why I am asking this I can't think of many real famous cats and dogs off the top of my head)

probably gonna get a bunch of meme ones. dogecoin, the cat laughing at the table, grumpy cat, etc. if it's TV and media yeah that's less common and technically aren't often a single animal. salem the cat from sabrina the teenage witch for example was actually multiple real cats.

yuzu's github is gone so the only way to it is through third party sites/torrents.
citra was still up earlier today and i got it but same rules will apply.

probably a good idea to get ryujinx if you want switch. personally i still think it's the paywall that fucked them. by limiting the product they essentially were selling the emulators and that, outside of app stores, has been a big nono. only a matter of time there and if they can ever get a workaround to the more proper legal issue of encrypted/decrypted keys.

MLP is definitely missing on that list. bronies are a whole other category right up there with Sonic.
maybe Steven Universe.

Twilight is mocked heavily but i don't think i'd put it with the others.

good point. edited that in.

ET
Sonic 06
Superman 64

only 3 locks due to a mix of infamy and legacy. there's worse games out there sure but for standout games known for being bad games they kind of dominate the field. modern games are difficult to ever reach these levels because 1) there's so much crap out there that you can legitimately go "shitty game of the week" and never run out of content, even better if you scale it back to 6 months; 2) patches and re-launches exist to fix games drastically (Cyberpunk, FF14). but there's a few instances that do stand out despite that, usually because the game was so bad the studio died or, if they survived, they drastically altered direction. Warcraft 3's remake is a good example of the former, Umbrella Corps the latter. but the king of that i think has to go to:

SimCity

it killed Maxis, the company that made who knows how much off of The Sims.
it was the game that really started the whole "always online" bullshit and utterly bombed at doing it.
it was the biggest reason why EA became back to back winner of worst company in the world.
i don't think there's anything that remotely compares in the last two decades.

man that is one close poll.

Pokeball
Home Run Bat
Hammer
Bob-omb

bomb > assist trophy. that gets laid down and everyone is scared, been around longer. assist trophies are just alternative pokeballs.

tcaz2 posted...

If you order a "plain pizza" what do you get most places?

cheese slice
which is to say just basic bread, sauce, cheese. that's the base of all of 'em, adding or removing doesn't change that.

pizza is basically defined as bread, sauce, cheese. variations of it will exist but even something like white pizza goes "we're changing the sauce." cheese is just part of what's in the usual package.

Pepperoni
Sausage
Mushrooms
Pineapple

straightforward day.

yep, as expected the Chrono killed each other.