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A week ago Antony Blinken allegedly pressed Netanyahu into letting more humanitarian aid enter into Gaza.

Instead, Israel has now closed both the Kerem Shalom and Rafah border crossings in the past two days.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/may/01/israel-under-pressure-let-more-aid-gaza-hostage-talks-continue
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-05-07-2024-113bf4ee5dad87dc5c003d76ed2785bf

Romney wasn't the first to make this point

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1782920301052911713

Details of the proposal per Reuters:

PHASE ONE
42-day ceasefire period
Hamas releases 33 Israeli hostages in return for Israel releasing Palestinians from Israeli jails.
Israel partially withdraws troops from Gaza and allows free movement of Palestinians from south to north Gaza.

PHASE TWO
- Another 42-day period that features an agreement to restore a "sustainable calm" to Gaza, language that an official briefed on the talks said Hamas and Israel had agreed in order to take discussion of a "permanent ceasefire" off the table.
- The complete withdrawal of most Israeli troops from Gaza.
- Hamas releases Israeli reservists and some soldiers in return for Israel releasing Palestinians from jail.

PHASE THREE
- The completion of exchanging bodies and starting the implementation of reconstruction according to the plan overseen by Qatar, Egypt and the United Nations.
- Ending the complete blockade on the Gaza Strip.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/three-phase-ceasefire-deal-hamas-backs-israel-does-not-2024-05-06/

CableZL posted...

Drake needs to apologize at this point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5e7p08ZMFA

josiskrazy posted...

Metro put out some drums for everyone on X, to rap over just for dissing Drake...

Absolutely hilarious

https://twitter.com/MetroBoomin/status/1787038173501039095

Speaking of broken windows on universities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLcEt2L4DYc

Off topic but goddamn is Youtube's search utter shit nowadays. I typed in "meet the grahams kendrick" and the original is the 23rd result. Why would it push all the reuploads and reaction videos first.

Geez. Cole definitely made the right decision to stay away lol

Republican congressman Mike Collins praising the counter protesters making racist monkey noises.

https://twitter.com/RepMikeCollins/status/1786367208240693304

Salad dressing catching strays for no reason smh

"I suggest to CNN, and maybe some of my colleagues here, take your cameras - just for a moment - off of Colombia and off UCLA. Maybe go to Gaza. Take your camera and show us the emaciated children who are dying of malnutrition because of Netanyahu's policies. Show us the kids who have lost their arms and their legs. Show us the suffering that's going on over there." - Bernie Sanders

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

*Career protestors that have destroyed the narrative.

Sounds like wishful thinking.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

My point exactly.

Not at all. You're putting the blame on the protesters instead of the media and politicians.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Narrative isn't just "students jailed for protest", no that changed and is why the message isn't focused where it should.

The narrative should be "there's a genocide happening and the US is complicit in it".

But instead a lot of liberals desperately want to make it "this is how one should protest appropriately"

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Did the police actually say they had outside influencers in custody in those cases?

Why are you so hyperfocused on these outside protesters? Who cares?

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

"Now watch us career protestors do stupid stuff that put us in jail", which unfortunately the media ends up focusing on instead. So yeah, I think the student message was lost once the police ended up arresting what was it like half (?) of them not even being students. That became the story.

It wasn't 'unfortunate', it's entirely intentional to put the focus on that. Just like how right wing media framed the George Floyd protests as a bunch of radical socialist burning entire cities down, or how protests against the Iraq War were labeled as un-American and traitorous.

The media having dishonest intentions doesn't detract from the message of the protesters.

02fran posted...

Is Biden gonna address this?

Well he did say the law must be upheld.

But that was in response to student protests. Not sure if he feels the same about international humanitarian law.

I remember someone on CE posting a link to a Twitch stream that was literally just a woman sleeping. There was just a bed and her head poking out from under the covers.

And there were tons of people in the chat just trowing money at her. She easily made a few hundred in the 5 minutes that I watched.

Never been more jealous in my lifetime.

Full_Pokedex posted...

The hell is a Daima?

New upcoming series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYcrmsdZuyw

Only one message to those who are more upset at the protests than they are at the people in power:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3de2b2f6.jpg

"The rule of law must be upheld"

What about the Leahy law, Joe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law

"We are not an authoritarian nation where we silence people or squash dissent"

Hmm, I wonder how he feels about that antisemitism bill passed by the House.

Israel's Far-right Minister Smotrich Calls for 'No Half Measures' in the 'Total Annihilation' of Gaza

Finance Minister and member of the security cabinet Bezalel Smotrich called on Monday for annihilating Israel's enemies, saying "There are no half measures. [The Gazan cities of] Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat total annihilation. 'You will blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven' there's no place under heaven."

[...]

Smotrich, who also is a minister in the Defense Ministry, added that when Hamas is destroyed, Israel must "clear out, with God's help, with one blow, wicked Hezbollah in the north, and really send a message that what will happen to those who harm the Jewish people is the same as those who have tried to harm us in the past they will be destroyed, destroyed, destroyed. And it will echo for decades to come."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-30/ty-article/.premium/smotrich-calls-for
-no-half-measures-in-the-total-annihilation-of-gaza/0000018f-2f4c-d9c3-abcf-7f7d25460000

no paywall: https://archive.is/ZMCrN

In case there is still any doubt about Israel's intentions.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3de2b2f6.jpg

Rexdragon125 posted...

So why the focus on Biden?

He's the president.

Murphiroth posted...

So which subreddit did you rip this one from?

This one:

https://np.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/15n1x5/on_aa_just_approach_whats_the_worst_that_can/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory

Starting to believe this is real more and more.

Cemith posted...

I didn't say he didn't need to. I said he shouldn't have to, because -

Then why bring up the risk of him losing voters in the first place? Biden shouldn't have to appeal to anti-genocide voters, yet at the same time he has to support Israel to appeal to pro-genocide voters? Explain this contradiction?

If Biden has no choice but to alienate a part of his base, then surely he should pick the option that (1) risks losing the least amount of voters, and(2) doesn't involve the death of tens of thousands of people.

hockeybabe89 posted...

would tell those people even harder to shut the fuck up and vote against Trump.

Cool. Then join in on pressuring Biden into changing his stance so you no longer have to yell stfu at people protesting against a genocide. Instead, direct that anger towards Biden for refusing to budge and the people who want more bombs to be dropped.

hockeybabe89 posted...

If the US has all the leverage over Israel and can dictate their decisions,

Yes.
69% of all Israeli weapon imports come from the US:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412

"Thats an extraordinary number of sales over the course of a pretty short amount of time, which really strongly suggests that the Israeli campaign would not be sustainable without this level of U.S. support"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/06/us-weapons-israel-gaza/

then how are groups like AIPAC powerful enough to have so much sway over American politicians?

I think you're misreading my post. I wasn't the one who claimed "AIPAC would bury him". I'm disagreeing with that claim.

Euripides posted...

The third one is the most telling. Independents (who Biden desperately needs) are still much more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine

Yet only 27% of them want Biden to take Israel's side, and that number is even lower for his own voters. These numbers show a strong majority of Dems and Independents want the US to take a neutral stance but Biden is sending billions worth of weapons to Israel instead.

These numbers do not support your claim that pro-Israel voters would turn on him at all.

75% of Dems, 60% of Independents disapprove of Israel's action in Gaza:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

More specifically, this poll includes numbers on Biden's handling: 60% of non-white Dems disapprove, and 70% of Dems under the age of 45 (remember, these are the groups most likely to stay home!)
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Half of Biden's voters believe Israel is committing genocide:
https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1

Cemith posted...

Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.

You have been shouting up and down that Biden doesn't need to appeal to voters. That Trump's fascism should be enough to convince voters. That protesters should just accept that genocide is inevitable and vote anyway.

Why is that a valid argument to use against anti-genocide voters... but not against the people who want the killings to continue? Would the pro-IDF people risk losing Biden the vote just because he presses Israel for human rights? Would they sacrifice LGBT rights in America just because not enough Palestinian children were bombed? Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism.

Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1784271276762349953

"With no police in sight."

Well. Not in uniform anyway.

loafy013 posted...

Boy, that chart looks terrible. But I have to ask, is there a reason there is no information for 2010-2013 and 2015-2022? Because it seems to me like they cherry picked those dates to get a low number to make the current atrocities look even worse by comparison.

Others have already answered, but only the Gaza wars are pictured. There have been deadly attacks and rocket strikes in the years between those dates but no invasion and open warfare.

This is a useful tool that shows statistics on casualties in the conflict from 2008 to 2023, and allows you to filter between civilian/military and Israeli/Palestinian. Though this data does not yet include statistics from Oct 7 and the invasion, it does show that the casualties peaked in the previous wars and that the time between them was far less deadly:

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

legendary_zell posted...

Does it make you feel better to imagine the people that disagree with you as such villains?

Are we single issue children who don't understand that Biden has no choice but to support genocide? Or are we virtue signaling wannabees who pretend we care about Palestinians, but actually don't? Or are we knowing propaganda agents who are in it to get Trump elected? We can't be all three.

The worrying part is this sort of smear campaign isn't just coming from random posters online.

Congressman Adam Smith calling protesters "leftwing fascists"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/25/israel-gaza-ceasefire-adam-smith

Biden calling the protests antisemitic:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-condemns-antisemitic-protests-palestine-columbia-university/

Nancy Pelosi accusing protesters of being Russian shills (not for the first time)
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1783186070558933411

As if someone protesting against an ongoing genocide without nefarious ulterior motives is outright unbelievable.

ClayGuida posted...

Refer to my question. What will trump do that's better?

Literally nothing. It's a stupid question and shows you did not bother to read past the first sentence of the post you replied to, because the second sentence was:

I've never said Trump winning would be preferable, nor that he would be better for Palestine.

Stop trolling about genocide.

ClayGuida posted...

So what will trump do that's better than biden?

Refer to the post above you.

Hornezz posted...

I've never said Trump winning would be preferable, nor that he would be better for Palestine.

WingsOfGood posted...

You think Trump is better for Palestine?

Shut the fuck up and stop trolling about genocide.

Mystereave posted...

So what happens if Biden does all of this, then loses the election because of organizations like AIPAC burying him, along with the still non-zero number of folks in the country who support Israel in some capacity?

Where's the proof that Biden would lose more voters from sanctioning Israel than he would from continuing to provide weapons for genocide? Before getting into any hypotheticals, that is a claim that needs proving. This is what all the threats of a Trump presidency hinge on.

Fact is approval for Israel's actions is dropping consistently among US voters. With disapproval at 75% for Dem voters, and 60% among Independents: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

As for AIPAC: no doubt it's a powerful lobby group but this idea that they single handedly decide who becomes the US president is a wild hyperbole and gets uncomfortably close to conspiracy theories that shouldn't have a place in this debate.

WingsOfGood posted...

He and you refuse to answer because

I refused to answer the question because it's based on a false premise, I just told you so.
I've never said Trump winning would be preferable, nor that he would be better for Palestine.

don't actually care about Palestine.

That's rich when you're here posting funny stick figure cartoons about dead Palestinians.

If this was literally any other victim of a genocide in human history you'd have been banned on the spot for that shit. But it's obvious rules are different when it's Palestine.

You don't get to accuse others of this when the deaths of tens of thousands of people are nothing more than a meme for you to 'own the lefties'.

WingsOfGood posted...

so 1337 got 2 answers to his question

will he answer this?

He shouldn't. Because the question, just like your awful meme in the OP, is based on a false premise. A Trump presidency isn't the only alternative to accepting Biden's stance on Israel.

Biden can stop lying about Israeli war crimes. Biden can stop unconditionally supplying them with weapons for genocide. None of this is necessary for him to win the election. If anything, he risks losing voters over this.

Ignoring that option and framing 'Palestinians die under Biden' and 'more Palestinians die under Trump' as the only options is dishonest, and serves no purpose other than to make Biden's support for genocide sound more acceptable.

Just like endlessly repeating all the horrible consequences of a Trump presidency serves no purpose other than to silence anti-genocide protesters. Threats of a Trump reelection are hollow as long as people refuse to acknowledge the agency Biden has in this matter.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Depends on the country that has been doing the genocide for decades.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Israel has been genocidal for a long time.

Why now?

Things are different this time. Let's not pretend this is just business as usual in Gaza.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/70dd38c0.jpg

Picture is already 2 months old, so add a few thousand deaths.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bd417ad2.jpg

I don't think genocide is the best choice of subject material for funny meme pictures.

Was it really that topic? Seems excessive to suspend someone over that.

There's a lot of effort going into labeling the protesters as antisemites, Russian shills or undercover Trumpers.

The idea that people might genuinely take issue with tens of thousands of Palestinians being killed with the help of the US government, is apparently outright unbelievable to some. It's telling.

Is this the new cement milkshake?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/51ce0716.jpg