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Foppe posted...

https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1775229241027657743

There are no international humanitarian law violations in Ba Sing Se.

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> Kirby adds that to date, the US has found no instances where Israel has violated international humanitarian law in their war with Hamas.

Who the hell does he think he's fooling?

Support for Israel military actions among American voters has been on a steady decline over the past few months. Last week's Gallup poll:
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I know CE loves to repeat the claim that Biden has no choice other than to keep arming Israel, otherwise he'd lose the election but there's no truth to that whatsoever. Biden's handling of this issue is met with disapproval, especially by young and non-white voters: groups more likely to stay at home during elections.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f70ab915.png

Anyone who's truly concerned about a second Trump presidency should join in on pressuring Biden to pivot on this matter.

Before casually threatening anti-genocide protestors with Trump concentration camps, you should really first prove that sending billions worth of bombs to Israel is actually necessary to prevent a Trump win.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

videospirit posted...

The types who consider Israel Genocidal fascist assholes aren't inclined to vote for either party to begin with.

Those types would be 50% of Biden voters:
https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T

Eh. Gladiator fights usually weren't as deadly as the movies make it seem but there were also plenty of executions in the colosseum.

Prisoners would either get mauled by animals, or get forced to dress up as mythological characters and get killed like in the stories. I.e. wear wings and get plummeted to death from some height to portray Icarus.

That's literally the pilot of Terminator

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/261732cf.jpg

@X8Azazel8X: Israel doesn't hold hostages!
Me: Israel is holding thousands of people captive without charges and is subjecting them to torture.
@X8Azazel8X: Oh yeah, WHEN DID THE WAR START??

wtf is even this conversation?

Actually address the point without these desperate attempts at derailment.

It seems like you're struggling to keep users apart here. Let me help: my username is Hornezz and I posted the statistics on administrative detention in Israel in post #299, which you responded to.

You made the claim that Israel isn't holding hostages, I showed you otherwise. And now you're just going on a ramble and putting ridiculous claims in my mouth.

What does anything in your post have to do with the Israel holding innocent people captive?

X8Azazel8X posted...

Right and this began in 1967 you said?

Where did I say anything like that? Where did I mention 1967? Quote it.

And you accuse others of having bad reading skills, oof.

X8Azazel8X posted...

Pretending there isnt an obvious difference there.....not a great look.

Feel free to explain the difference. Are you denying the casualty numbers in Gaza just like you're denying the prisoners held by Israel without charges?

X8Azazel8X posted...

Right so they get a blank check to rape murder and kidnap anyone around got you. Including innocent bystanders or from other nations that have nothing to do with it or werent even born when your supposed start of the war in 1967....

That's an odd non-sequitur response after being confronted by the facts of Israeli large scale detainment of people without charges, after you were just falsely claiming that only one side had hostages.

X8Azazel8X posted...

Oh...and do these organizations regularly post their own casualties and have a ministry of health for the whole world to use as a reference for their numbers?

Just Asking Questions to deny atrocities.

Not a great look.

> "As of April 2024 Israel holds 2,071 sentenced prisoners, 2,731 remand detainees and 3,661 administrative detainees held without trial. Israel also holds 849 people as 'unlawful combatants'".

> "The data does not include laborers from the Gaza Strip and others who were in Israel lawfully with permits on the eve of the Hamas attack on Israeli communities on October 7, 2023, following which, Israel cancelled all permits for Gaza residents and has held these people, reportedly numbering over 4,000 as of late October 2023, in Anatot and Ofer military camps."

source: https://hamoked.org/prisoners-charts.php

In case anyone's wondering: administrative detention is just what hostage-taking is called when a state actor does it. It's detention without charge or trial that can be renewed indefinitely. Human Rights organizations have documented widespread use of torture and humiliation on these prisoners:

source: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-tor
ture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

andel posted...

you have offered zero alternatives, just mindless complaining and throwing emotional accusations without any substance.

Easy alternative: do not send more weapons. Use the massive leverage America has to pressure Israel into abiding by international human rights.

America has done this in the past. Other countries are doing it now. The Biden administration has previously stated it wanted to put human rights at the center of its foreign policy. It should deliver on that promise.

if your strategy is to attack any polls you don't like as 'fake news' like the trumpers you are signal boosting then there really isn't any meaningful difference between you and the insurrection crowd. linking to a student newspaper isn't a compelling takedown of a poll fyi

Lmao. You're dismissing a long list of reputable polls and choose to cling to the only one with results that are not reproducible by the rest. Textbook example of cherry picking.

The Harvard/Harris' 79% percentage you cited was literally the answer to: "In this conflict do you support more Israel or more Hamas". Echoing the infamous George Bush quote "either with us or with the terrorists" is not how you do a proper survey. One quick look at the actual questions will show you how it's full of these loaded and double-barreled questions. I'd call it amateur shit but in reality it's willful manipulation of the results.

The article I linked to does a good job in citing its sources and quotes reputable journalistic outlets and statisticians. You're dismissing this as fake news and then accuse me of doing that.

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Still waiting on you, or anyone else, to actually prove that sending bombs to Israel is required for Biden to win the presidency.

Whenever I ask this, all I get is misinformation, insults and attempts at derailing the topic. It's telling.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

2: the act or practice of grossly misleading someone especially for one's own advantage

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting

divot1338 posted...

Nuh uh Hornezz exclaimed as he waved around a poll.

Got anything meaningful to add to the discussion?

andel posted...

every single united states president in recent history has supported israel and every single major candidate supported them as recently as the last presidential election. congress widely supports israel on both sides of the aisle

The whole "it's always been this way, therefore it should always stay this way" is a weirdly conservative argument against progressive change that doesn't hold any real value at all. I'm sure people were saying the same about women's voting rights or during the Civil Rights era. It was a worthless argument then, it's a worthless argument now. Just a circular reasoning to defend the status quo for the sake of it.

Besides, there actually is precedent in US history for sanctioning Israel. Both Reagan and Bush Sr. did it. Hell, Canada has traditionally stood by the USA's side on Israel but they suspended arms sales anyway a few weeks ago.

and americans (as evidenced by your own provided polls) support israel in huge numbers.

Repeating it doesn't make it true. It's bizarre how comfortably you are just gaslighting ITT.

From the Gallup poll published this week:
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you are trying to prescribe claims i didn't make in a weird appeal to emotion while ignoring the political realities

You made this claim:
"if he is seen as abandoning israel he risks losing huge swaths of his voting base and independent voters who he has to rely on"

That is a direct quote. You have not proven this whatsoever. Because it's a lie.

i suspect you are one of the overprivledged that doesn't generally vote and tend to make demands on the internet while doing nothing to make the country or world a better place to exist.

You posted a crappy right-wing propaganda poll and instead of acknowledging that, you're doubling down and throwing out petty insults.

How are you making the world a better place by deliberately spreading misinformation on the internet to defend your favorite politician and his complicity in war crimes?

andel posted...

you accuse me of cherrypicking while disingenuously summarizing what those polls actually show. in the majority of them democrats still support bidens handling of the conflict and still show that most americans support israel over palestine, just with caveats.

I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt but I'll state my point more clearly this time: what you posted was blatant misinformation.

The Harvard/Harris poll is a right wing propaganda tool, spearheaded by a Trumper. The poll is known for its misleading questions and shoddy methodology. Its results are biased, contradictory and often cannot be reproduced by other polls.

Read more about it here: https://www.thecrimson.com/column/forging-harvards-future/article/2024/3/26/bodnick-/

but if biden is seen as 'not supporting israel' in an election year it would be much worse for his chances than any other factor.

if he is seen as abandoning israel he risks losing huge swaths of his voting base and independent voters who he has to rely on.

There is no evidence for these claims whatsoever.

Those bombs are being used to kill children by the thousands. If you're going to claim that Biden absolutely has to send more of them in order to prevent a Trump reelection, you better come with iron clad proof. Without it, this is just falsely threatening Trump's fascism in order to shut down protests against the US's complicity in these atrocities.

divot1338 posted...

You do know that Israel is not in the United States right?

- 69% of all Israeli weapon imports come from the US
- The US has made hundreds of arms deals to Israel the past year, bypassing Congress and public disclosure
- Even this week, despite all the concerns uttered, a multibillion dollar arms transfer was made for fighter jets and thousands of bombs

https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-arms-embargo-calls-data-shows-99-of-israeli-weapon-imports-are-from-us-germany/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/06/us-weapons-israel-gaza/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-has-signed-off-more-bombs-warplanes-israel-washington-post-reports-2024-03-29/

The US absolutely is a part of this.

Quoting the WaPo article: Thats an extraordinary number of sales over the course of a pretty short amount of time, which really strongly suggests that the Israeli campaign would not be sustainable without this level of U.S. support,

UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording

Chair of foreign affairs select committee Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay

The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.

[...]

...any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-lawyers-say-israel-is-breaking-international-law-claims-top-tory-in-leaked-recording

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This is already a few months old but still valid.

The vast majority of opinion poll show that Biden's handling of the conflict is impopular among Dems and Independent voters, and that there's a majority support for pushing for a ceasefire.

The Harvard/Harris poll is clearly the odd one out and its results don't seem to be reproducible by other major pollsters. Yet that's the one that keeps on being quoted on CE. It reeks of manipulative cherry picking.

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[Reuters/Ipsos] 68% of US respondents support a ceasefire:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/15/poll-us-israel-support-hamas-war

[Pew] 45% of Dems say Israel is going too far in its military operation:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/08/americans-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

[AP-NORC] 64% of Dems think US should negotiate a permanent ceasefire:
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israeli-hamas-war-poll-9f9e9bd2ea595ece43f151d8722e47ad

[NYT/Siena] 75% of voters under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling of the crisis, 57% of entire population:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-poll.html

[ISPU] Even among Republicans and Jews in the US support for a cease fire is higher than opposition:
[Data For Progress] + 61% of Dems, 57% of Independents support US calling for a cease fire:
https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/

[YouGov/The Economist] 50% of Biden voters think Israel is committing genocide:
https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T

[Gallup] 63% of Democrats, 67% of adults younger than 35, and 64% people of color disapprove of Israel's actions. 75% of Independents disapprove:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx

[AP-NORC] 63% of Dems say Israel has gone too far, 52% of Independents. 70% of Dems under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

[YouGov/The Economist] 77% of Dems support a cease fire, 60% of Independents:
https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48002-americans-support-ceasefires-israel-hamas-russia-ukraine-wars

And the most recent one I can find:
[Gallup] Only 18% of Dems still approve of Israel's actions, 29% of Independents:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/world/middleeast/military-action-americans-gaza.html

Not Unown.

Fuck Unown. All my homies hate Unown.

Only a year or 2 ago people here were arguing that Elon Musk was a centrist and that it was the left that moved away from him.

2024 Musk is openly talking about phrenology, eugenics and white replacement theory.

The far right has an odd relationship with Israel.

Some of them hate Israel because they hate Jews, as simple as that.
Some love Israel because they like how it treats Muslims as second-class citizens.
Some love Israel because they believe in ethnostates, and they'd rather see Jews there than Jews here.
Then there's also the christofascists who have a weird attachment to Israel because of the Biblical end of times.

Israel admits killing 2 Palestinians and then burying them with a bulldozer after shocking video surfaces

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has admitted killing two Palestinian men and burying their bodies with a bulldozer after Al Jazeera published a video purportedly showing the incident Wednesday.

The men approached its "operational area" in central Gaza in a suspicious manner** and didnt respond to a warning shot, the IDF said in a statement to CNN. The Israelis killed them and bulldozed their bodies fearing they carried explosives, it said.

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-ga
za-news-03-30-24/h_4724230f9284f7aa73e4f2b428b47fb9

** editor's note: "suspicious manner", meaning he had his arms in the air as he was shot:
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"The United States is committed to a world in which human rights are protected, their defenders are celebrated, and those who commit human rights abuses are held accountable. Promoting respect for human rights is not something we can do alone, but is best accomplished working with our allies and partners across the globe. President Biden is committed to a foreign policy that unites our democratic values with our diplomatic leadership, and one that is centered on the defense of democracy and the protection of human rights." - Antony Blinken, 2021

Lmao, that was a lie.

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No, really though. My current Brother is the first printer that I've ever owned that doesn't give me a ton of headaches. I press print, it prints.

"Wives should be kissed, not heard" - Reed Richards
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Yeah....

Goddamn. I was actually hopeful the change in rhetoric of the past month would mean something.

Look at these two paragraphs. Fucking disingenuous bullshit.
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*from https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-acknowledges-pain-arab-americans-over-war-gaza-2024-03-29/

Just say it wasn't you

GeminiDeus posted...

Maybe a small part of him wanted to be caught so he could show off his work.

Yeah, it definitely seemed like he was proud to tell about his act.

texanfan27 posted...

There is the possibility that both girls like the guy, but the law is monogamy based, so only one can be on the record.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Like the guy can't legally marry both of them, but in practice there isn't much of a choice there.

Finis-XII posted...

He's just a sexually weird, egotistical, pathological liar Hollywood goofball. Dude made up a bunch of grandiose claims about his life, ethnicity, and martial arts training. He once claimed that he lived in Japan as a teenager and was trained into an akido black belt from some grandmaster sensei or some shit like that. And that he was good friends with Bruce Lee or whatever.

Seagal is also notorious for getting a kick out of intentionally hurting his stuntmen on set. And there's a whole list of sexual harassment accusations. Plus he's a major Putin fanboy.

Just a POS all around.

UN top court orders Israel to open more land crossings for aid into Gaza

The top United Nations court on Thursday ordered Israel to take measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza, including opening more land crossings to allow food, water, fuel and other supplies into the war-ravaged enclave.

The International Court of Justice issued two new so-called provisional measures in a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of acts of genocide in its military campaign launched after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas. Israel denies it is committing genocide. It says its military campaign is self defense and aimed at Hamas, not the Palestinian people.

More in link:
https://apnews.com/article/un-court-israel-land-crossings-gaza-7f2cb03fa2ec6736315a32e9ee291dbd

Just a little home server that doubles as a NAS. Running ubuntu on bare metal.

It's stunning to see how he completely botched his attempt at hiding the body in the absolute worst way possible, yet that was not how he got caught.

Dude literally drove his blood-stained car into the water and had to call the cops to help him just after he had dumped a dismembered corpse right there.

His election already was a total clown show. Let's see if they can top that.

He was stalking her since she was called as a Slayer at age 15. He later states that's where he fell in love.

They literally show him lurking in the bushes peeping through her bathroom window, and it's played off as as romantic rather than ...extremely creepy.

bfslick50 posted...

And if Ted Cruz wrote a story where millionaires had to hide in underground mansions because they feared the evil liberals, its not the best discrimination analogy.

Why exactly are you still insisting on comparing them to millionaires? It's not underground mansions, it's sewers.

The show makes it clear these guys are at the absolute bottom of society and have no powers that can change that. Both in the sense of real world political power and physical fighting power. They were defeated and captured by a gang of FoH who don't have superpowers and don't even have Sentinels on their side.

bfslick50 posted...

Mutants with powers not helpful in a fight by and large still have a power that can be used somehow to get an advantage in a capitalist society and make bank. The rich are rarely the targets of economic oppression.

The episode in OP starts with FoH attacking the Morlocks. Mutants outcasts who literally live in the sewers because they can't pass as humans. And the human supremacists still came down to kill them.

The movies and the Animated Show really didnt do his character justice. Made him look like a dweeb.

Like half of his dialogue in TAS was just him shouting JEAN

That's why I'm subscribed to GameFaqs Gold. No ads and it comes with mild mod protection.

s0nicfan posted...

This is russia. We shouldn't assume all the shooters got out alive, just that Russia has found four people they are planning on putting the blame on. If we're lucky, most of those will have actually been the shooters.

Yeah that wouldn't be surprising at all. Can't trust any shit Russia says.

Kinda surprising all the shooters were caught alive. Attacks this violent more often end in a shootout with police or security.

They even made it a couple hundred miles outside of Moscow before getting arrested. Allegedly.

emblem-man posted...

The resolution also called for Hamas to actually release the hostages right? Which the previous ones didn't?

The previous two that were vetoed by the US did so too:

The one from UAE in December: "It demanded an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, and the immediate and unconditional release of hostages as well as humanitarian access."
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144562

The Algerian one in February: [rejects the] "forced displacement of the Palestinian civilian population in violation of international law and would demand an immediate end to any such violations and the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages"
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146697

I'm suddenly remembering that time when people claimed racism was officially over because the US had a black president.

I think this point is really going over people's heads when arguing that powers means they cannot be oppressed:
StealThisSheen posted...

I mean a vast majority of X-Men mutants don't have literal "nuke" powers. Some of them have stuff like "Grow quills kinda sorta and also you can't turn it off so people judge you for looking weird."

The stories tend to focus more on the super powered heroes and villains, but a lot of the mutants don't have elite fighting powers. Some of the mutants just look odd, or have powers unhelpful in combat. I remember a story about a kid who manifested self-melting powers, and before he could learn to control it he just melted away and died. Not exactly a great addition to a rebel militia.

Plus, there's also the fact that the X-Men have seen several dystopian futures where a large portion of the mutants were eradicated or enslaved. The Sentinels and power inhibitors have been shown to be able to subdue the mutant population, regardless of their superpowers.

Trumble posted...

Their claim is that it doesn't go far enough. Which is true, but also no reason not to adopt it so there's at least something. It's not a case where adopting it means sacrificing other things, in this case it literally is a binary choice "yes" or "no".

Right. If they cared about the ceasefire they'd take this and push for more later if necessary. Apparently giving the US the finger is more important. For Russia especially, keeping America's attention (and military budget) focused on Israel is beneficial. So I can't imagine they'd genuinely want this war to stop anyway.

Charged151 posted...

The UN won't be useful in resolving this conflict at any rate...

Probably not. But America openly signalling to the world that it'll no longer unconditionally provide diplomatic cover is pretty significant, even if the vote failed.

Xenogears15 posted...

?

This one:

The U.S. embassy in Russia warned that "extremists" had imminent plans for an attack in Moscow, hours after Russian security services said they had foiled a planned shooting at a synagogue by a cell from the Afghan arm of Islamic State.
The embassy, which has repeatedly urged all U.S. citizens to leave Russia immediately, gave no further details about the nature of the threat, but said people should avoid concerts and crowds and be aware of their surroundings.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-embassy-warns-imminent-extremist-attack-moscow-2024-03-08/