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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 1:03:26 PM
#211
changmas posted...
Paired
Lea and JC
FD and MZero
Sultan and Sir Chris
Ulti and Dumey

Exes
Red and FD
Sultan and Chris
Kirby and Dumey
Ulti and Sultan
Kirby and Ulti
Ulti and Dumey
Ulti and Dumey

I mean, that's pretty funny at least.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:59:02 PM
#200
Lopen posted...
If any 2/3 of Ulti Dumey Kirby end the day paired town

Please murder one from the group

I mean technically if there was a pairing that we REALLY didn't like and everyone agreed we could kill both on day 3. But someone else would have to go down with the ship.

But that would definitely be an awful idea and not worth the risk, lol

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:47:30 PM
#188
Lopen posted...
No one seriously talked about JC Lea Dumey or Kirby as scum overnight except me and Lea.

I mean, not true. I explicitly talked about scum Kirby and said it directly TO Kirby, and gave Lea some consideration as well as the kind of player who would initiate something like that with scummates Peaf/Kirby.

But it is true that I didn't give much consideration to JC or Dumey being scum.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:45:01 PM
#182
Is it fine? I'm pretty sure you are broken up at the moment <_<

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~C~ FD
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TopicPig butchering scams (Last Week Tonight).
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:44:18 PM
#11
UshiromiyaEva posted...
It's incredible how much John Oliver has completely surpassed all his TDS/TCB contemporaries in terms of actual journalism.

And yet the humor he throws in can sometimes make me reticent to share.

"Hey Mom, this is a really good video about Problem X. Just keep in mind there will probably be 3-5 jokes along the lines of 'being allowed to touch a horse like that'"

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:40:44 PM
#173
I had to double check the wording on Chang's rule update from day 1.

For some reason I thought it said that people had to be dating for at least an hour to break up, but it says that a date must be active for an hour for the breakup to deactivate players' pending date requests.

So Dumey and Ulti *are* broken up, but all of the other requests they had issued are still active by virtue of the "shorter than 1 hour rule".

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:32:07 PM
#162
Lopen posted...
Breakups at this point are just posturing

No, it will be posturing when I ask MZero for a mutual breakup 3 hours after he went to sleep =P

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:31:25 PM
#160
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Kirby has been paired with both Dumey and Ulti and various points today. If either combination was both scum wouldn't they just stay together for safety? We haven't seen Ulti + Dumey pair up (yet), but with exactly 2 scum remaining I have a hard time imagining a scum/scum date breaking up today.

I guess that caveat is that if the scum/scum pairing was developed in such a scummy way they feel like they would be guaranteed to take a loss day 3. But any pairing of scum/scum that didn't raise any major eyebrows would simply have to last, right?

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:30:14 PM
#157
Kirby has been paired with both Dumey and Ulti and various points today. If either combination was both scum wouldn't they just stay together for safety? We haven't seen Ulti + Dumey pair up (yet), but with exactly 2 scum remaining I have a hard time imagining a scum/scum date breaking up today.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:08:04 PM
#118
Lopen posted...
Red

Pair with Corrik or Isquen
I pair with the other

You are talking to the wrong person. Red already sent invites to everyone, you need to be telling THEM to accept.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:07:14 PM
#116
Kirby321 posted...
If it comes down to it and you're in danger, I might split off from Ulti to save you.

you do realize that if you are "gone for a few hours" that literally won't be possible, right?

Mutual breakup protocol begins in 53 minutes.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:05:29 PM
#112
EDumey posted...
Ulti I agree that Lea should be on the table, but JC would have to show up in the next hour to breakup before she can hold her date hostage and stockholm syndrome him.

This, exactly. We can't determine who dies from among the list of people who are immune. All we can do is make the best shot from those available, which if we're lucky will still include scum, but might not. So pick someone who's flip will be revealing regardless.

I mean hell, I wanted red to be an option day 1, but thanks to it was literally not possible. Those are the kind of roadblocks we're going to run into in this setup.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 11:59:06 AM
#102
Lopen posted...
Who is the scum then

UltimaterializerX posted...
Id genuinely be shocked if any of the other unpaired on this list are scum.

I think he just wasn't counting himself as not-scum

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 11:24:50 AM
#70
SirChris posted...
Yes

Fear ne

"It is the second noble gas in the periodic table. It is a colorless, odorless, inert monatomic gas under standard conditions, with about two-thirds the density of air." -Wikipedia

I am not afraid.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 11:15:11 AM
#60
Pairs:

Lea + JC
FD + MZero
Sultan + Sir Chris

Unpaired:
Lopen, Isquen, Ulti, Dumey, Corrik, Red, Kirby

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c9a1d50b.png

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 11:06:44 AM
#54
Lopen posted...
Oh yeah that sounds like Ulti in this game alright

He only sat on his day 1 date for like 47 hours. He sure seems like the type to break things off suddenly ;)

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 10:59:13 AM
#43
No worries MZero. I look forward to our night together <3

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 10:44:50 AM
#29
I believe Chris would have to have sent you a new request since you broke up with him, which he has not.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 10:34:04 AM
#25
##Date: MZero

I'll be honest, you aren't my first choice, but red is expected to be back before EoD so I'd like his hat to stay in the ring.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 10:30:45 AM
#20
Lopen posted...
Sorry mzero I need the power to assassinate

Sorry Kirby I need the person to assassinate

Yeah, I understand you are waiting to use your date as a weapon, but I have to feel like that's not the optimal way to use it.

I'd rather see the most clear people taken off the board, and gain information from observing the rest of the pool in terms of who they are willing to pair with and who they aren't. That way even if it results in a town flip there will good interactions among those most likely to be scum.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 10:28:26 AM
#17
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
What are the claims

Are all of them Vanilla?

JC/Ulti/Kirby Vanilla
Lea Miller

Should be all unless I missed anything.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 10:15:37 AM
#9
Anyways

##Date: Dumey

Unless you're gonna get back with Kirby what say we date?

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 10:07:27 AM
#8
MZero posted...
Isquen actually turned Ulti down in Topic 4 page 1 at the very start of the day

Ah true, but that was a "I'm gonna leave you hanging for now". I was just counting the more definitive stance from yesterday, but you're right about the beginning of day conversation as well.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 6: Lifting us up where We belong
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 10:03:39 AM
#6
Kirby321 posted...
Aight but for real Corrik brought up a really good point

Scum is likelier to avoid the players who claimed (me, Ulti, JC, and apparently Corrik) in order to seek out power. I remember we were all surprised that Isquen turned down Ulti. Could it be that Isquen refused him to try and take a chance at pairing up with power?

Only hole there is that I can't remember if Ulti claimed after or before Isquen's declination

Ulti claimed first. T5P102

And then Isquen's post was T5P143, only 14 minutes later <_<


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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:57:02 AM
#451
changmas posted...
Move at 450 (Thanks, Death!):

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80709838


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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:49:15 AM
#440
Corrik7 posted...
You paired with Lopen yesterday and can't pair with yourself so your list needs some working, Enchantress.

Plot twist: That's just a list of users she would go to karaoke with.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:48:17 AM
#439
that's true of anyone sure, but does red deserve it? Certainly more today than day 1, but perhaps that's only because he didn't have a committed date from hour #1

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:32:47 AM
#432
Corrik7 posted...
Bodyguard couldn't protect the cop unless he knew who the cop was anyways so this is completely a pointless avenue since he had to pick the right room to even protect him.

It's relevant because SCUM knows the BG is dead too and would just target the cop directly. Whereas if protection hasn't flipped they would have to consider their shot more carefully.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:19:41 AM
#425
EDumey posted...
fd correctly pointed out that corrik's logic depends on cop working in a way it's never worked before, unique to this setup.

To be fair to corrik, I also conjectured that town cop may work based on rooms after reading the first couple flips and seeing how room-focused they both were. But thinking the cop may work a certain way does not justify trying to out the cop when bodyguard is dead.

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~C~ FD
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TopicPig butchering scams (Last Week Tonight).
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:12:50 AM
#7


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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:10:51 AM
#424
Oh I guess the most significant change was on Kirby.

"could be strong scum power and they used peaf to save Kirby?" turned into "need a reread tbh"

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:09:55 AM
#423
That actually appears to be a downgrade from the list MZero posted in T5 P370.

Lea went from "town" to "town Lean"

Almost nothing has changed from that list if I'm comparing the two either, just some minor rewording that more or less says the same things.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 9:02:59 AM
#420
MZero posted...
wow Kirby played me like a fiddle

If we're allowed to consider GF timestamps then I'd say it doesn't seem like he's seen your date request.

And if we're not allowed to do that, then I won't say that. ;)

But also lol Kirby canceling his date to jump into the arms of Lopen of all people.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 1:14:25 AM
#394
Why don't you just go to bed now and wake up at a normal ass time when everyone else will be awake too?

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:48:41 AM
#392
Oh, got an isquen post while I was getting that together, serves me right for not refreshing.

I'm heading to bed soon as well, will be on at 6 AM PST for my work

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:46:55 AM
#390
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/ff9a8c40.png

Just a quick update before bed.

No changes in awhile, 3 pairs and 7 unpaired, don't think it's changed since the update we got in Post #313

From the unpaired I want to hear generally more from Isquen about anything he feels like talking about. I also want to hear more from Corrik that's about reads instead of game setup. He had some useful insights earlier, but without knowing with certainty how the cop works we can't make that call. I'd also like to hear more from red that isn't about Lopen's abilities. So fun that he can barely expand upon what he said to ulti during their date but he can go 15 rounds with Lopen about prior games/etc.

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~C~ FD
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TopicPig butchering scams (Last Week Tonight).
Forceful_Dragon
03/01/24 12:37:18 AM
#3
Yeah I thought this was about the Jim Browning video, gonna have to check out the LWT video as well.

Love to watch KitBoga etc having a tangible impact on scammers

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 8:54:56 PM
#345
Can we please stop blue balling me like I'm not even here?

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 8:37:28 PM
#334
Am I the only one who thought it was weird a few hours ago when isquen showed up, said almost nothing, got mad at us for ignoring the almost nothing he said and then disappeared?

Other than declaring that he didn't want to accept Ulti's date, what was that?

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 7:23:56 PM
#314
Oh he's saying if he was Peaf at the EoD1?

I don't think he can make that claim. Especially because red had notably sent active invitations to everyone. Peaf didn't even bother to send a date request to more than 1 person.

Though I can't see what benefit there is for red to hand wave Peaf's actions as meaningless.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 7:20:24 PM
#310
Leafeon13N posted...
Like if I'm scum and in a position with JC and Dumey in towns sightlines I'm probably feeling pretty good.

What does this mean?

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 7:10:14 PM
#299
Trapped by what though? Hubris?

Unless there was another scum vulnerable it was an entirely unforced error.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 6:56:31 PM
#291
Leafeon13N posted...
Belongs because?

You doing this with no scum equity to my name is laughably bad play.

I have reasons, chief among them is that I don't feel like dating you.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 6:55:37 PM
#290
You didn't need to do that, your prior dates requests are still active.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 6:00:55 PM
#280
Eh, chris might be scum. I liked his amicable nature when he finally showed up last night and I like that he didn't force the idea that he thought he was the NK target. But that could just be because he's a smart player and from our responses already he knew there would have been pushback, so instead he just agreed that Death was probably the direct NK target. But he's keen enough to read the room and adjust his stance accordingly.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 5:42:07 PM
#274
Lopen posted...
I find threats fun because they don't work on me and I just shoot the hostage

Oh man, imagine a dayvig that also kills the vigi to maintain odd numbered parity? Too bad the rules state there are confirmed no extra kills.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 5:40:56 PM
#272
Kirby321 posted...
Epic
Unfortunately, I bet I know who Chris will appeal to for pairing up, and they're probably going to instantly accept.

If you're talking about me I don't think I take a Chris date in this spot. If you're talking about red, then no acceptance is required, red has pending requests to everyone in the pool but me. The pool right now should be:

MZero
Lopen
Isquen
FD
Corrik
Red
Sir Chris

I really don't care to date anyone but Lopen and I would prefer if Sultan and Ulti were still there as well.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 5:23:16 PM
#266
UltimaterializerX posted...
##Date: Sultan

I don't love this particular pairing >_>

Enchantress posted...
Tempting, I feel like your spreadsheets are going to be the key resource to solve this puzzle like ten days from now. But since I flaked on JC d1 I feel like sticking with him for the time being. If you feel it's important for me to be on this particular track I'm open to it.

Nah I don't have any problem with you/JC. The most simple explanations for day 1 (either Peaf trying to save Kirby or Peaf screwing up completely on his own) put you and JC as likely town for kicking things off the way you did. I was just giving you the option to pivot and shake things up again today too, if you wanted.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 4:57:19 PM
#260
##Date: Lea

If you want to put JC back in the pool I'd happily date you as well. We'll spend the evening crafting a tale worthy of Illien himself.

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~C~ FD
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TopicValentine's Day Mafia Topic 5: Better to have Loved and Died
Forceful_Dragon
02/29/24 4:46:21 PM
#256
I mean, we still have at least 14 hours right? I don't see MZero pairing up in the next 2 hours and we're back to 7 unpaired, We probably still have the full 26 hours remaining if we're being honest.

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~C~ FD
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