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| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 1:54:36 PM #119 | ssb_yunglink2 posted...
So youre fully admitting that youre spending this much time arguing that a small minority of people will go feral if you criticize biden. I didn't say it was a small minority. I said a vocal minority. They're also a powerful minority. Earlier this year, the most powerful Democrat of our lifetime other than Biden or Obama accused anti-Israel protesters calling for a ceasefire of being Russian plants spreading Russian propaganda. This stance I'm talking about is much more common among the more establishment-pilled politicians, officials, and journalists. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 1:48:40 PM #110 | ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I think Bidens stance on Israel is bad, and he shouldnt give weapons to a genocidal government. Make your own topic with this premise and see what happens. We know what happens. A 500 post topic accusing you of destroying democracy and helping Trump genocide LGBT people. At least if you tie that post to any suggestion of actually doing anything that could potentially have an impact on Biden's calculus in the real world or that could reduce enthusiasm for Biden in any manner. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 1:44:22 PM #107 | ssb_yunglink2 posted... Fucking read this post and tell me how this is not a persecution complex jfc. It's not persecution for me, because luckily almost all of the online attacks at least are impotent. But if you attach your name to these criticisms in real life, you can experience pretty significant negative consequences, ranging from ostracization to job loss, depending on what your job is, especially in my line of work. You refuse to understand that it's not just about one or two posters. It's a vocal minority of online and offline hyper-Dems who think politics exclusively means voting, don't participate in, understand, or even actively disparage other types of politics, have given up on influencing politicians or (or don't actually want Biden to change his stance) and so go feral when someone says something that could potentially impact turnout. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 1:33:06 PM #100 | Shadow_Don posted...
Sir, please show me your signed in blood loyalty to biden oath card You can laugh all you want, but there are many who react to any mention of Biden that's not unqualified praise with anger. Go ahead and try it. Make a topic on this board or post on any social media a valid criticism of Biden, even say that you're going to vote for Biden in bold, underlined, rainbow colors. People will react as if you're personally taking democracy out back, you'll be called a Russian operative, etc. There are many people who have decided that since democracy is at stake, they must police all criticism of Biden and treat it with extreme suspicion and hostility. You can disagree or ignore it, but it's happening. ssb_yunglink2 posted... The basic reality that youre fabricating and exaggerating? Am I fabricating it from whole cloth or exaggerating what is there? Am I making up posts or am I ascribing too much weight to real posts? Make up your mind. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 1:24:34 PM #88 | ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Yes, you do clearly have a persecution complex about criticizing Biden. The vast vast majority of people here do not give a shit about criticizing Biden in good faith. You are not worth responding to on this topic if you won't acknowledge the basic reality of what arguments are being made by me or by others. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 1:22:54 PM #86 | hockeybabe89 posted...
Yes, and literally zero people on CE are mad that anyone criticizes Biden. There is only constant arguments because we have trolls and low-intelligence voters arguing that not voting will help people. This is categorically false. Y'all are ignoring posts that are inconvenient to your argument and your conclusion that people who aren't making public loyalty oaths to Biden regardless of what he does or does not do are immature, bigoted, saboteur trolls. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 1:18:26 PM #80 | ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Lmao you always try to mix in something to these posts. You just cant argue straight up without trying to call attention to something else. Im not being aggressive in any way, im just saying your argument is unreasonable because its literally being proven wrong by the topic youre posting in. Post 12 is one of them. Another one said they suspect criticism of Biden is conservative propaganda. Multiple people have voted in the polls to say that criticism should not be permitted. Multiple posters in every single topic on this subject make the claims I referenced in the previous post. And they are a prominent voice in every public forum where the election is discussed. If you're not seeing them, it's because you're choosing not to or they don't anger you enough for you to notice them Is it your position that a large contingent are not saying that criticism of Biden depresses turnout, is dangerous, helps Republicans etc on this board and elsewhere? You've never seen that? You're saying you're not being aggressive and then literally a few sentences later, accuse me of having a false victim/persecution complex that I've never once signaled or demonstrated. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 12:47:24 PM #64 | ssb_yunglink2 posted...
So youre hinging this argument on something that ONE PERSON in this entire topic said. Come on now you know thats just unreasonable. No, I'm not talking about just one post or just one topic. I'm talking about the subject of the topic. What people say about criticizing Biden. And I'm referring to what people say on that subject, including what some of the people in this topic and others have said, beyond that one post. I've never claimed everyone who criticizes Biden is doing so in good faith. Additionally, you can not care about an argument you're making and the words can still be correct or at least persuasive. Even a blatant troll saying something true does not transform that true statement into an untrue one. You coming at me with such aggression for no reason is proving my point. I've stated countless times I'm voting for Biden and I'm simply advocating for strong criticism, yet you take far more issue with me than you do with people advocating for antidemocratic positions, are attempting to associate me with people you don't think are arguing in good faith, etc. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 12:35:38 PM #60 | ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Look at the poll. Look at the majority of posts in this topic. Youre not being persecuted for criticizing fucking Joe biden. I've read the poll, I've read the posts. Have you read the topic title and the poll options? I'm discussing what the topic is actually about and disputing that premise. Some of the more savvy will say they're fine with criticism when specifically called on the antidemocratic nature of being opposed to it, but many on this board and at least one in this topic have made the argument criticism, just criticism can only serve Republicans, is likely a Republican plot to depress turnout, is disingenuous, is dangerous, should be confined to a primary, etc. They'll say they're fine with mere criticism, but will viciously attack anyone who does what they say they're fine with. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 12:26:32 PM #56 | ssb_yunglink2 posted...
You always attempt to mix in not being allowed to criticize Biden into these posts. The vast majority of this topic is people saying that criticism of Biden is valid, so I dont know why you do this. I will criticize Biden for his stance on Israel, yet still vote for him. People are saying both and people that say "I'm only talking about absention" also clearly have a problem with bare criticism. I've explained this as well and it's been readily apparent in every topic and public discussion on this subject. My stance on nonvoting has also been clear in every topic as well. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 12:24:18 PM #54 | DrizztLink posted...
What would it matter if vote withholding causes him to adjust his stance just in time to give the election to the guy who wants to turn Gaza into a parking lot? Presumably he'd change his stance before the election if he really thought it would cost him. I've never advocated for people actually withholding votes at all, much less enough for him to lose over. This topic is not about that, it's about complaints in general. This topic and many people in it want total silence, total resignation, they're not just criticizing abstention. The premise is that criticizing him in itself is wrong and dangerous and thus people should stop doing it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 12:17:52 PM #50 | ssb_yunglink2 posted...
This election is literally a binary choice of: How is he going to adjust his stance if you stay silent about it AND hand him victory despite what he's doing with no muss or fuss? What's the theory of change there? I don't dispute that Trump would make it worse, but it seems like the reality is that what people are actually pushing is a slow death for Palestine while we all silently watch. Many people are not going to sign onto that. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 12:15:39 PM #49 | Gwynevere posted...
What fight are you putting up? Whenever Republicans take the national stage and really get free reign to do whatever they want, are you going to risk your physical well being to get HRT to trans adults and kids when it gets outlawed? Are you going to step between the cops and a woman being arrested for getting an abortion? How about smuggling birth control when that gets axed? I'd prefer to stop that from happening by stopping Biden from walking off a cliff and getting him to do the right thing. I'm doing what I can to expand and protect people's rights within the system and I've done a lot. But if Biden doesn't shape up and things go off the rails, yes, I'll do what I have to do within or outside the system. Refusing to ask your candidates to do better and allowing them to do horrible things is not the path to salvation. That itself creates the hopelessness, desperation, and "same thing both sides" energy that allows fascism to thrive and win. The only path away from that is to drive politics in an actually positive direction. Not just " better than the other guy, while still awful." And you can't do that when the only qualification you have is for a candidate to be better than a Republican. That allows both Republicans and Democrats to be as awful as they want with no consequence. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Y/N: Complaints about Biden should be saved until after the election |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 11:41:37 AM #40 | I fundamentally reject this idea that we can't criticize the President and have to vote for him regardless of what he does because the other guy is worse. At that point, in what sense do we have a democracy? You've given up on the idea of improvement, of influencing your leaders, of choosing your leaders, you're committed to not even suggesting they do better so as not to scare off others who recognize they're doing something horrible, so what's left at that point? You'll just vote for whatever slop is presented to you and call that maturity, even as they commit evil in your name and your life deteriorates without you putting up a fight?
That's an incredibly unpopular position, none of you seem to get that. That's not what most people who participate in politics think it is. If most people thought that's what it was, they would completely check out and we'd have fascism at the next opportunity. You're not being a freedom fighter by spreading that view and condescending to others for not adopting it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | House votes to reauthorize controversial surveillance program |
| legendary_zell 04/13/24 11:23:04 AM #7 | This is a great example of the security state being incredibly difficult to dismantle and incredibly resilient against meaningful change.
In the post Nixon era, the FISA system was supposed to be an improvement over the previous wild west system that was blatantly illegal and anti democratic. Instead, it's an entirely rubber stamped procedure where people's rights can be violated behind closed doors as long as law enforcement, military, or spy officials can type the words "national security" without typos. And it gives that process of violating people's rights a veneer of legitimacy and legality. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | What happens to the GOP when Trump loses in November? |
| legendary_zell 04/12/24 11:11:14 AM #5 | Two days of the hyper establishment types pretending to soul search.
Some violence from the true believers. Mass creation of new conspiracy theories to explain the loss. Acceleration of brainworms Finally leading to an even more unhinged candidate next time, possibly Trump again. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | What was the worst part of the later seasons of Game of Thrones? *spoilers* |
| legendary_zell 04/12/24 9:57:46 AM #3 | That was pretty bad because it messed with one of the central throughlines of the show, that a true, existential danger that didn't care about politics or beef or heroism was coming from the North and would devastate everything, even if it could be defeated.
But my pick is how everyone lost their ability to make plots and schemes or say or do anything smart. Especially the schemer characters, Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger, etc. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Japan's PM Kishida to US Congress: You don't have to do it alone. |
| legendary_zell 04/11/24 10:39:08 PM #28 | By the global order, he means neoliberal capitalism and economic domination
By freedom, he means neoliberal capitalism At least when it comes to China and either Korea, almost all of the negative vibes historically have come from Japan. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Kentucky Republican Candidate Arrested on Strangulation Charge |
| legendary_zell 04/11/24 2:36:05 PM #5 | Staying out of all Walmarts for a Kentucky Republican? A fate worse than death!
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Are there any video games that you'd consider life-changing? |
| legendary_zell 04/11/24 2:30:27 PM #13 | FF7 altered the course of my life for sure. I'm still not sure whether it had a good or bad effect. It's why I ever visited this website.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Rowling got beef with Harry and Hermione. |
| legendary_zell 04/11/24 2:22:56 PM #4 | A losing battle if I've ever seen one.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Trump continues to sabotage the country for personal gain. |
| legendary_zell 04/11/24 2:09:50 PM #123 | I agree that Trump does this on a daily basis. I'm not sure FISA is the best way to make that argument.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | I have a mental illiness. |
| legendary_zell 04/11/24 12:40:20 PM #7 | You've seemed to be deteriorating for awhile now. Go seek immediate mental health help from a medical professional.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Songs that haven't aged well |
| legendary_zell 04/10/24 11:22:25 AM #19 | masterpug53 posted...
Out of all the 'you've never actually listened to the lyrics have you' songs in the Rock pantheon, this is the one that still brings me the most (admittedly perverse) joy to spring on people. Just looked it up. Jesus H. Christ, rock music was a mistake. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Tips for being more hips and with it. |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 9:08:34 PM #14 | Oh, and bring a guitar with you to every party or bar you go to. Just whip it out and start strumming a crowd pleaser like Wonderwall or Santeria.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Tips for being more hips and with it. |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 9:01:11 PM #9 | Bell bottoms
Leisure suits Cocaine, speed, quaaludes Use AAVE, but make sure it's from 40-50 years ago so you know it aged well That should basically do it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 4:39:09 PM #423 | If you're making Yazarogi come across as the voice of reason on this topic....you've lost the plot.
But at the end of the day, a lot of this is not just a dispute about political tactics, many of these people think what Israel is doing is justified and that's why they get so mad that people are disgusted and heartbroken about what Israel's doing and our role in it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 3:52:00 PM #316 | Tanthalas posted...
Oh, don't even try to blame Biden for this one when you know fully fell Trump will be worse for Palestine. Biden is to blame for what he's doing and every consequence of it, direction and indirect. Same as Trump would be. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 3:50:32 PM #312 | SaikyoStyle posted...
How does Biden losing help Palestine? It doesn't, so he should do what he can to avoid that. And we should do what we can to avoid that without greenlighting national atrocities. Both of those outcomes are aligned and require people opposed to genocide to voice that opposition. I ask yet again, what do you WANT them to do. You all steadfastly refuse to answer that. I've been crystal clear on my position and what I want people to do and I accept the consequences and reactions. You all won't do the same. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 2:38:52 PM #161 | I think some of you have been so scarred by the evil of the Republican Party, fascism and Trumpism that you've fundamentally given up on the idea of practicing politics in the deepest sense. You see simply pulling the lever for whatever Democrat that's served up to you as the entirety of possible resistance and you dump all the energy that would have been used to strike, protest, boycott etc into enforcing orthodoxy with the Democratic line because you think they're the only thing standing between us and fascism.
And there's a lot of truth to that way of seeing things. But it insidiously lets the Republican Party and the forces that led to Trump win because it forfeits so much of the power and influence you could have had. It forfeits the possibility of a better world, all impetus for the Democratic Party to improve, it boils democracy down exclusively to voting for the lesser evil and removes any incentive for that lesser evil to be...less evil. We have to find a better way than that or it'll be our doom. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 2:28:27 PM #150 | Shadow_Don posted...
There are people saying that though. I dont know why you don't see this. Will you answer the question? What should they do? Why are you deflecting to hypothetical other people when the people this topic are about are explicitly disclaiming that intent or message? Who said I didn't see it? I've acknowledged in every topic on this subject that there's a group who are so disgusted by Biden's actions that they can't bring themselves to vote for him. I disagree with them for purely practical reasons. But those people aren't the subject of this topic. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 2:25:57 PM #147 | LightningThief posted...
Aside from the usual bad faith actors in this topic (they know who they are), there are genuine left leaning posters here who definitely want to unironically see a trump presidency, and a worse fate for Palestine in this thread. Not understanding the "leverage" they think they have is actually nothing that actually helps the Palestinians given what their non vote means for the Palestinians. You especially. You tell me what they should do instead? You're making wild bad faith accusations and dodging the central questions. You're accusing people who hate Trump with a passion and see him as a result of the failure of neoliberal politics as usual of wanting him to win, when we'll be first on the chopping block if that actually happens. So you better have a solution for us since you understand politics just so well. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Black GA voters sending message of Gaza to Biden not voting |
| legendary_zell 04/09/24 2:23:14 PM #144 | BearlyWilling posted...
Start at the local/state level and maybe not in a race that is 100% going to be a Biden vs Trump repeat. If you have democrat reps in the house/senate that do not represent the will of the people, vote them out with democrats that DO represent the will of the people. It's been asked a million times and I've seen no response: what should these people who care about stopping a genocide do instead. They're not even saying they refuse to vote or vote for Biden, they're simply practicing politics by saying their votes are contingent. The same thing that millions of suburban voters, independents, moderates, and centrists do all the time. But when it's over a genocide, people reject literally every option that might even possibly have the required influence. I'm forced to conclude that people simply want those who think a genocide is happening to swallow their tongues and vote Biden without fail. That often seems to be the answer people have towards the left, towards the young, towards anyone who doesn't see establishment Democrats as the epitome of politics done right. Just shut up and give us your support and be happy it isn't worse, don't advocate for anything different, don't make any arguments that make us uncomfortable, don't use anything other than approved tactics, don't do anything to rock the boat. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Poorly describe a game. |
| legendary_zell 04/08/24 11:15:42 PM #39 | Mentally ill twunk commits terrorism with a group of weirdos, then convinces them to stalk his former coworker.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Good luck trying to defend Trump now, Pro-Lifers |
| legendary_zell 04/08/24 9:58:48 AM #7 | They'll believe he'll whatever they want him to do as long as they give him unlimited power. That's kinda what fascists always believe, that their leader will vanquish their enemies by hook or by crook and place the in group permanently on top.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Is lightning air or fire element? |
| legendary_zell 04/05/24 10:16:25 PM #27 | I like it as it's own element or Holy. If not that, then fire, then air.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Dutch woman chooses euthanasia due to mental health issues |
| legendary_zell 04/05/24 9:22:38 PM #18 | Pikachuchupika posted...
So suicide, but easier and sanctioned? I thought we wanted to prevent suicide, not encourage it? It's not easier, committing suicide without interfacing with the medical system is way easier than this. All you need is a gun or a bridge or a pill or a car and a garage etc etc etc. That's why most are snap decisions. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Dutch woman chooses euthanasia due to mental health issues |
| legendary_zell 04/05/24 9:05:08 PM #13 | We should do everything we can to take care of people and actually solve their problems.
People should also have the right to go out on their own terms, regardless of what others think. The first one should happen before the second one, otherwise it leads to a lot of problems, if not eugenics. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | Ringleader of global monkey torture network 'The Torture Kings charged. |
| legendary_zell 04/05/24 2:43:37 PM #21 | Damn, we really really devalue non-human life. I have complicated feelings on the concept of prison and retributive justice, but if we're gonna have it at all, this guy deserves to get more.
--- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | No Labels 2024 Presidential Campaign Fails to Launch |
| legendary_zell 04/05/24 12:41:02 AM #11 | CoyoteTheGreat posted...
These are the dumbest people in the world. The Democrats need a flat ban on anyone affiliated with No Labels being in their party after this BS. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself |
| legendary_zell 04/04/24 3:59:05 PM #489 | Kaldrenthebold posted...
Ding ding ding. This view is in itself childish. It ignores the role of vested political and financial interests, political parties, the role of the media aligned with and owned by those interests, the difficulty of funding a campaign, the decades of propaganda against left of center and anti-war candidates etc etc etc. Candidates that would have opposed this are not on the ballot, not because they're not popular, not because they don't exist, but because such people never get that far in the current system anyway. I will never ever ever concede that expecting a candidate not to facilitate a genocide is childish. I do expect all my candidates to be 100 percent aligned on that basic requirement. Yes, I do. The fact that we've gotten to a place where keeping to that basement level expectation is regarded as pie in the sky idealism is the problem itself. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself |
| legendary_zell 04/04/24 3:52:40 PM #457 | havean776 posted...
You have not given a way to stop the genocide and oppose the only man who is calling for a ceasefire. He's the one blocking a binding vote on a cease fire though. You can't give him credit for allegedly doing a thing and imply that it's good, and also at the same time argue that it's fine that he's not doing the thing. And most of the American public is calling for a ceasefire, it's only among the political class that it's not popular. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself |
| legendary_zell 04/04/24 3:43:06 PM #425 | Xenogears15 posted...
So many people here forget 2016 and want to take a gamble again. Or are just accellerationists. Big yikes. 2016 happened because of the terrible vs terrible dynamic. Leftists and centrists are both repeating the same mistakes, not just leftists. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself |
| legendary_zell 04/04/24 3:36:36 PM #406 | To answer the allegedly unanswerable question: We should viciously and accurately criticize Biden for his actions, inactions, obstruction, and provision of cover for Israel. Some of you are claiming that you're fine with criticism and protest and are only opposing non-voters, but many of you have said criticism is inherently dangerous and can only have the effect of helping Trump.
We should mass protest, strike, boycott, do sit in, picket outside every rep and Senator's house, outside the Whitehouse, outside his personal house, outside his favorite restaurant and tailor, we should do the same at every defense contractor and government building sending bombs. If we actually did all that and all that doesn't work, I'd feel very differently about Biden and the nature of our democracy. I think it would work if we actually did it. I don't think it's going to happen. For the most likely scenario which is continued protest at around the current level, I think the best response is to try to escalate, to hope it works, and if not, weigh the pros and cons of support. Practically, I think that means voting for Biden if you're in a swing state. Especially for people who weren't willing to take the steps I outlined above, then you at least have the responsibility to mitigate domestic damage. But I'm not going to begrudge anyone who genuinely has genocide as a hard stop and did something to try to change things. Or any Palestinian friends. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself |
| legendary_zell 04/04/24 2:53:52 PM #281 | Will_VIIII posted...
I also find it interesting that the people complaining about Biden supporting "genocide" (because by definition he actually isn't), they're going to enable the candidate that will make the situation significantly worse for said people. This is what I mean. You simply think it's not happening, so you can't fathom the reactions of people who feel deep in their bones that it is. Who are living it. I wish you'd tell my lifelong Democrat Palestinian friend posting desperate messages on Facebook every day about the family, friends, staff members etc that he's losing that it's technically not a genocide because reasons and that he's naive for wanting to pressure the guy currently sending the bombs that did all that. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself |
| legendary_zell 04/04/24 2:50:14 PM #272 | LightningThief posted...
@legendary_zell I'm not advocating for that. You deflect to those people in each topic on this, but I don't think I've seen anyone do that here. You never respond to the arguments I actually make because they're extremely uncomfortable to confront. I know, because I've gone back and forth on them in my head in an effort to do the right thing. And in doing so, I've come to the same practical conclusion as you, but you must understand that many people wont and you have to understand why. And it's not for the reasons you've stated. When you tell people that by participating in the political system, they have no option but to do evil, they MUST vote for genocide no matter who they vote for, many many people will just opt out of that, become radicalized, they'll do the opposite of what we want. That shit isn't free, it has effects that we can't even fathom. That's why it's incumbent on us to not even try to make people swallow that vision of politics and to offer a different one where collective action can affect things for the better. They understand that Trump is worse. Please understand that. It's incredibly insulting, alienating, and condescending when you insist that people don't get that. As I've said a trillion times, that's not the issue. The issue is whether Biden is bad enough that people give up on the whole concept of voting, political participation, etc. I feel like it fundamentally comes down to not truly understanding or believing that people think a historical atrocity is happening. People deeply believe that and are horrified by it. When you're talking about "more or less harm" when the mass starvation of people is already currently happening and we're expected to pull a lever in favor of that because the other guy would just nuke them....what kind of system is that? That's a fundamentally irrational situation, you're going to get weird responses to that. That dynamic is the problem and it's what must ultimately be changed. They're not the same, but both are bad enough to blackpill people and that's all it takes. Do you get that? --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself |
| legendary_zell 04/04/24 1:30:53 PM #132 | WingsOfGood posted...
which means it is literally this As tough as it is to say, Biden hasn't lost my vote. I've made the personal calculation that Biden is a better option than the alternatives, despite the evil he's committing daily. It's a very hard decision to come to and I don't feel good about it. Many other people might not come to the same conclusion. That's what I'm saying. Your logic in that last sentence is just absurd. Someone can be much worse than someone else, while both don't meet basic standards of decency. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
| Topic | If Biden loses the election, he has nobody to blame but himself |
| legendary_zell 04/04/24 1:23:15 PM #127 | mystic_belmont posted...
Let's say you have four voters, two are conservative, two are liberal. One of the liberal voters votes for Stein, while the other one vote for Biden. Both conservatives vote for Trump. That's true, but that's not Trump gaining votes. It's Biden losing one. It could be for a valid reason or an invalid reason. Or are you arguing that there's nothing Biden could do where you'd blame him for losing a vote? Is that just conceptually impossible in your minds? Shadow_Don posted... Honestly yeah I feel like I encounter these people all the time. Being ignorant about candidates is different from specifically not caring about substantive issues. Additionally, that person may have been an outright troll. That's not the type of person I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people I see at protests who are the same people who care most about all of the other various domestic and international issues, who vote, stay up to date on things, etc. None of them are the caricature you've got in your head. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. |
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