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Tanthalas posted...

You guys are complaining that people you dont like are campaigning for Harris. Youre looking for any excuse to cheer on Trump.

1337toothbrush posted...

If you do not support their chosen one 200% then you're considered a trump supporter.

Right on cue.

Tanthalas posted...

So Ritchie Torres campaigning for Harris means that shes bad?

You guys and your purity tests.

"You don't like genocide?! Stop purity testing people!!!"

The ones who purity test the most are democrats. If you do not support their chosen one 200% then you're considered a trump supporter. Don't you dare have a single criticism or else.

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LightSnake posted...

Obama put healthcare as his top legislative priority over codifying Roe.

Please explain in your own words how Roe could have been codified and what being codified would've done with this Supreme Court.

Also, 'bare minimum?' Please inform us what each state that has enshrined abortion protection into law at the state level has in common, Brush

We can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time, especially since Obama claimed reproductive rights were a top priority during his campaign. Also, if codifying Roe would have done nothing, then what could democrats do on a national level? If they can't do anything and it's ultimately up to the states anyway, what's the fight about?

If you accept "but other guy is worse" as an excuse for continued *genocide* of all things, what makes you think democrats will care about actually doing anything for your favored policy? You can point to reproductive rights, for example, but democrats will only do the bare minimum, allowing republicans to destroy whatever they put into place so they can keep hanging onto it as a political bargaining chip.

Don't believe me? Just look at what happened in the past: https://www.reuters.com/article/markets/us/obama-says-abortion-rights-law-not-a-top-priority-idUSN29466420/

Poor person's logic is working for your money. Rich person's logic is having others work for your money and then claiming it's actually your own money working for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZmXSDpYIpI

Sandalorn posted...

Who was that group in the 1940's that purposely starved to death a specific group of people again??

You're going to have to be more specific because there were actually multiple groups doing this at that time. It's a crime against humanity regardless.

UnrivaledKoopa posted...

Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, and plenty of others say otherwise

Probably because they fought back.

New song from U-san:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kIgctRIy3A

pegusus123456 posted...

In the video I posted which is now private - probably Nintendo being Nintendo - it actually forced them into using a single Joy-Con each because they had the motion controlled minigames enabled.

But it seemed like if you turned them off, you could use Pro controllers.

Cool, thanks!

Can Mario Party Jamboree be played with gamecube controllers? If not, I'm not interested.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

I wonder if you input a company responsible for pollution that might have partnered or funded MIT if it would deny established reality

It denies whatever you assert.

This isn't a debunk bot, this is a denial bot. It's simply trained to deny whatever you suggest and make up reasons for it. I gave it a quick try and got this as the first part of the text it dumped on me:

First, regarding the claim that President Trump has been controlled by Putin, U.S. government inquiries can shed some light on the matter. For instance, the Mueller Report, which resulted from a comprehensive investigation, didnt find conclusive evidence that Trump or his campaign conspired with Russia in the 2016 election. This investigation was quite in-depth and was conducted by a team that included professionals with different political backgrounds.

You can cherrypick, twist, and throw out all sorts of possibilities to "debunk" a claim. Sucks that people will put their trust in this glorified autocomplete, like what is already done with other AI.

Rexdragon125 posted...

This. They don't get how much worse Trump would make it. He said he'd finish the job in Gaza.

"herpadurr but Trump isn't president"

He will be if you convince people to not vote to teach dems a lesson or whatever. TikTok brain rot might be worse than Fox News brain rot. It like erodes understanding of cause and effect.

Where "finish the job" means what exactly? Democrats are eagerly supporting israel to continue the job and it seems obvious that israel intends to finish the job. Pointing out some vague threat of trump making things go even faster does not change much, it's a genocide either way. Whoever you quoted has apparently blocked me, but I would be interested in why they think "prior presidents have supported genocide" is a valid excuse for a candidate to support genocide.

Biden, who democrats have constantly touted as the most progressive president in recent US history, has bypassed congress multiple times to support genocide. He was voted in to not do evil things like this. Why are we supposed to assume that Harris will be any different when she refuses to commit when votes are on the line? Are we supposed to just be fine with genocide when she gets in and continues business as usual? She's not going to need our votes then, so we will have no leverage by that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXl-Js7rFKg

I'm back with two iconic voice clips:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehz6GP-dMBk
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMZOk7nGM7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=956trWV2JHA
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7JrVrGwGNE

Sorozone posted...

Biden has been one of the most progressive Presidents the USA has had

Not hard when democrats had been moving hard to the right for decades. Handing trillions to corporations in the hopes they'll do something about infrastructure and the climate seems progressive by comparison.

Aliens*

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Why not just wait and see if it happens? Has an actual arms embargo been officially threatened up until now? I could be wrong but i dont believe it has.

Were criticizing them for saying the right things rn. Again, if they dont follow through then crucify them. But i dont see a need to preemptively mock this.

A genocide isn't something you should "wait and see" on. We've had a year of this shit already, it's obvious how it's going to progress.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

so some of yall seriously dont actually care about what dems do, you just want to complain.

The whole point of all the protests was to make them change stance on Israel. This is probably the biggest hope of that actually happening, and you still cant help but title the topic this way.

If they dont follow through, shit on them. But dont take actual good actions and complain.

Ever heard the saying "Actions speak louder than words"? Democrats have said a lot this past year about being frustrated or whatever about israel, but their actions have been non-existent. Another good saying would be "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." though it's not just twice, it's been dozens of times they've expressed they're going to maybe do something and you're actually still buying it for some reason.

absolutebuffoon posted...

Why is it doing something you think will help them is "scrambling" and not doing it is "putting them on the precipice of losing"

I feel serious "and this is how it's bad for democrats" fox news energy from your post

Probably because the democrats had a year to do something but sat around with their thumbs up their ass the entire time. Actually, to be more accurate, they went out of their way to ensure the genocide was fully-supplied and completely unimpeded. The democrats would've actually been better if they did nothing.

Voidgolem posted...

Why, because I don't roll over and indulge your weird purity tests?

Not wanting genocide is a "weird purity test"?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ebdc7ac1.jpg

Are there no early voting days in your state?

Like corn on the cob.

She'll come around when she finds out I destroy my opponents with facts and logic.

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

I just wanted to provide some more points to perhaps debate about. But, alas, I guess you're all looking for an argument rather than reading an "essay" of 250 words (seriously, that's pretty shit if your attention span is that low that you can't skim read that, given most of the words are makes/models of cars.)

You just wanted to jump in to a discussion that didn't involve you to show how cool you are.

I only called your post an essay because it was of similar length to ours and you called ours essays, but great job trying to insult my attention span and only ending up telling on yourself.

Going from $2 billion to over $270 billion must be musk's punishment for securities fraud. Good going SEC!

*shits in your bathtub*

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

Guys, you're in a circular argument. Why not debate more about EVs in general, rather than this one tiny facet of a larger market?

Ironically the rest of your post is an essay. Anyway, I was trying to talk more about EVs in general in that China is positioned to play a massive part, though tariffs might be a setback for them.

DnDer posted...

I can't imagine what the stock price will jump to once Elon is kicked out (or jailed for something like securities fraud) and the company can start investing in actual car and battery tech again, instead of his bizarre whims.

Someone's going to make a lot of money that day.

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been some Shadowrun-style boardroom takeover of Tesla by now, given the other corporate dystopian bullshit going on.

The stock price would jump down 50% at least. The only reason the stock went this high is because of the securities fraud and bullshit hype of musk. Remember that shareholders approved his ridiculous compensation package twice because they believe he's an amazing CEO, so you'd lose the diehard musk fans too. The cultist fervor is another reason for the stock's overinflation.

Speaking of catchy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t975O3xyxIw

He unveiled another piece of vaporware that supposedly be available a few years in the future but won't actually. Just another stunt to keep his shitty stock pumped.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Why would they stop them when Israel is clearly accomplishing their goals in wiping out the organization?

Because it's not worth the genocide.

No, because I simply don't eat if I'm at the office. Back when I used to pack a lunch, I'd just have a small snack that wouldn't need refrigeration.

Krojen posted...

Im comparing segments. You still cant explain how Tesla beating all but 1 company in Chinas home turf is getting destroyed. So much so that theyd waste their non existent lobbying budget on blocking them from entering the US where Tesla would now have home field.

If anything they would immediately help Tesla by accelerating EV adoption and using their charging infrastructure.

If you bothered looking at the data, you'd see that most of the sales of teslas are model y, i.e. it's the rich in China buying them for name brand recognition and foreign brands get boosted simply by being foreign, so it's actually less impressive being in China's "home turf" just like how Apple got a boost.

You think Tesla would be better off becoming primarily a charge network company?

Krojen posted...

Idk if theres a fruitful conversation to be had if you believe the US government has helped our EVs more than China has helped their EV companies. I could only respond with hoping you have a nice day lol

Beyond the regular subsidies, there were also carbon credits, tax credits of $7500 per vehicle sold, subsidies for manufacturing in the US, and the huge bailouts in 2009. You can only respond with have a nice day because you have no argument to make. After all, you think that somehow Tesla selling fewer vehicles and maybe getting more users for their charging network somehow puts them ahead.

Krojen posted...

Ask them. Go to many of Chinas brands websites and its modeled after Teslas web design. They mimicked Teslas iPad interior, were found in court documents to have stolen Teslas battery tech which can be seen in their copycat pack layouts, among many other things.

Then that means Tesla stole from Apple.

Krojen posted...

Govt makes pollution law. Company lobbies for cheap loophole to kick cans down road. A few cycles of short term profit chasing leads to accidentally paying a growing competitor.

Turns out the legacy automakers aren't the masterminds you tried to paint them to be.

Krojen posted...

In development like the model 3. Tesla has a proven track record at delivering a mass market sedan. Their ability to make a cheaper and smaller mass market sedan is not comparable to an AI recruiting skit for a bot.

The future is EV. Every single year that legacy can delay the inevitable is billions more in profit they can squeeze before they crash. You see the same behavior from oil companies trying to delay green tech.

Teslas price to spec is so dominant they beat most Chinese companies in China. Nothing inflated about it.

Yet the Model 2 is nowhere to be seen. I guess they blew all their manufacturing capacity on the Cybertrash. Refer back to my Apple comparison for your "beat" comment.

Krojen posted...

No, legacy auto benefits the most by lengthening their runway to exist as is. Which is why they lobbied for it.

If Chinese automakers were allowed in the US without a 100% tariff then Tesla would be obliterated. Hell, without daddy government, Tesla would've been bankrupt long ago.

megamanfreakXD posted...

I dont know man. Some of his arguments make logical sense, like that recent video of him roasting the producer of halo for posting anti-gun comments on twitter.

Logically guns in video games are not real.

LonelyStoner posted...

I cant imagine ever driving a Tesla, because fuck Elon Musk with the broad side of a metal rake, but what does fsd stand for?

"Full self-driving"

It'll be a guy dressed as a taxi dancing on stage.

Krojen posted...

Yes, did you notice that it also includes models that arent comparable to the other brands on the list which is why they are where they are?

Following your logic, Tesla isn't beating anyone because they can't be compared because other companies make more than five vehicles total.

Krojen posted...

The Chinese government has invested infinitely more into their EV companies than the US has helped its own EVs. The US failed to properly invest in EVs because of legacy lobbying.

China also welcomed Tesla with open arms years ago to spy on their tech.

Tesla has sucked up the most subsidies out of any EV company in history. Why would China steal inferior tech? The most important part is the battery chemistry and Tesla doesn't make that.

Krojen posted...

Its one of many basic maps of lobbying influence against EVs and pretty straightforward.

Legacy automakers need those carbon credits because they refuse to obey climate/pollution laws. The govt isnt just giving Tesla extra money for being a good egg. Legacy auto is purchasing them so they can continue to kill our planet by however much Tesla is trying to offset.

Legacy automakers lobbied for carbon credits so that they'd have to pay Tesla?

Krojen posted...

In development like the model 3 once was. Theyve already shown its silhouette. Legacy brands are still too busy selling a few dozen $70k EVs with 200 miles range. Where is their EV transition Ive been promised since 2009?

In development like the robot which was just a person dancing in a suit? Again, why would legacy brands be afraid of cheap EVs of they're targeting internal combustion and luxury EV segments? Tesla is far more under threat since they sell minimalist trash at inflated prices.

Krojen posted...

They are, because the Chinese government took EVs seriously unlike the US. Legacy brands did the tariffs. Biden wouldnt even say Teslas name and crowned GM as the global leader in EVs and youre telling me hes in Musks pocket? Lol that clown Musk wishes.

Let's pretend musk didn't do any lobbying, he still stands to benefit the most when Tesla only sells EVs.

This is horrible. Daisy died!

Krojen posted...

Tesla is in 1st among comparable cars. 2nd only to BYD which includes a very different offering not comparable to the other brands which is why theyre so far ahead of everyone.

You said they would get destroyed. Being 2nd on Chinas home field is not getting destroyed by any measure.

Did you not notice the millions more that BYD sells which also includes vehicles that are in a higher category than Tesla's literally two vehicles that sell in China (model y and model 3)?

Tesla had decades of a head start, billions in subsidizes from the US government, and billions more in private funding.

Krojen posted...

Im aware of GMs investment in the SAIC-GM-Wuling relationship. Its not actually GM and its not the EVs we were discussing.

Legacy brands focus on ICE not because they are stupid, but because they dont have the capability to focus on anything else. Theyre not going to make the transition to EVs and are using their lobbying power to stop others from doing so.

https://influencemap.org/site//data/000/028/Automaker_Climate-Lobbying_05-24.pdf

Mind showing me where in that document your claims are backed up? I skimmed through it and all it says is that Tesla only sells EVs. No shit. Tesla benefited from selling only EVs because for the longest time they made most of their money off selling carbon credits, yet another form of government subsidies for musk, the rugged free market capitalist.

Krojen posted...

Tesla never canceled plans for cheaper EV. Car blogs run wild with speculation. Its still in the works for the Central/South American market. Tesla already has the competitively priced model 3 that can be had for 30k in the US.

Then where is the Model 2? Next to the dancing robot?

Krojen posted...

Tesla doesnt spend on lobbying. Legacy brands did that. Musk talks a lot of shit and absolutely no one cares what he has to say. Tesla is the only company that delivered on EVs and a charging infrastructure. Its the brands youre favoring over Tesla that never deliver on their EV transition promises and grift the government/destroy the planet through lobbying.

Chinese auto companies are absolutely delivering on EVs, which is why coward musk ran to daddy government to slap 100% tariffs on them. Why do you think legacy automakers would care more about China flooding the market with cheap EVs than Tesla which only sells EVs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLg04uu2j2o

Krojen posted...

So in China Tesla is 2nd only to BYD which includes their $300 golf carts as car sales and this is them getting destroyed?

Where is Ford or GM on that list? BMW? Theyre not on the list because they cant compete which is why those companies, not Tesla, spend so much on lobbying for them to be banned.

Tesla is a distance second and on its heels are three others, including SAIC-GM-Wuling which I bolded to answer where GM is on that list, but it doesn't matter since, again, the other western companies are stupidly focused on internal combustion and Chinese companies in general are going to dominate the space, that's why little baby musk (the supposed rugged free market capitalist) went running to his buddies in government.

Notice the funny timing between this:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60428602/tesla-model-2-affordable-ev-canceled/

and this:
https://apnews.com/article/biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles-solar-254546e92f823a78220c195a0a42a10e

That rat bastard musk felt no need to make a cheaper vehicle once his government buddies put in that 100% tariff for him. He claims he's focusing on the robotaxi bullshit, but that'll be vaporware like the rest of his stupid ventures such as the robot and the dumb tunnel system. Over-promising and under-delivering is his specialty and he's sucking hard on the government teat the entire time. The only thing musk is good at is financial manipulation (lucky for him, the SEC is toothless) and fooling gullible fanboys.

Krojen posted...

Chinese EVs arent destroying Tesla in China. Legacy auto brands got Chinese cars tariffed/banned because they cant compete. Legacy auto has deep entrenched lobbying groups, Tesla doesnt.

https://cnevpost.com/2024/01/10/automakers-nev-market-share-in-china-in-2023/

and tesla has only lost market share since then and will continue to do so.

solosnake posted...

lmao. That shows that even when down 13% on year Tesla is still selling more vehicles than all the other manufacturers combined on that list

Only more EVs. The other companies are more concerned with selling internal combustion vehicles. We could've had China coming in, absolutely destroying Tesla and providing affordable EVs, but Musk got his buddies in government to slap on 100% tariffs to start and to look into options for outright banning Chinese vehicles for good measure.

Caspurr Catacini has released a new MV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0SqQelthgw

Isn't it like $10 for just a cheeseburger, fries, and a frosty?