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UltimaterializerX posted...

Comedy option: SBell is actually Griffin but a mafia role.

Yes, this is possible too. Peter Griffin is a homer clone.

he fits both. he has little town equity.

i'm less godfather hunting and more janitor hunting.

I am not sure I trust Ben any more with that scan.

We know we need to fill Janitor, Strongman. (Maybe more but ???)

And also likely Bart, Homer.

Homer is not a janitor. Bart is also not a janitor.

Hans Moleman has been a janitor, and also been a Bart.

Hell Homer might just be a strongman and thats it.

So lets play with flavor a bit...

Assume we have a godfather.

Is sbell homer or is ben bart.

4. IGCD
5. Isquen
8. Lea
10. Red
16. Chang

Would ctes bus 0 scum.

htaeD posted...

Based on the whole miller kerfuffle, I highly doubt Wallz is scum with Sbell as well (and Ulti I guess)

yes wallz/sbell together is impossible imo.

interesting that if sbell is scum he definitely slipped on d1.

I'm reading we wait.

sbell serious who should i shoot answer?

Scum has vanillizer, Role cop, Janitor kill, Unblockable kill. Who knows what else.

With what we have flipped and even claimed, pretty strong for scum.

Obellisk posted...

still true? or that was lies?

Still true.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Beyond that, I have been trying hard to understand the game and decipher the claims and lies.

Beyond that was my interaction with death day 1 and instantly recognizing that his claim was missing an element as a vanilla myself.

okay so.

What have you deciphered and understood? Because other than the list you have little.

Second, scum is going to know the vanilla format. This is standard practice.

So try again.

htaeD posted...

If you ask me now. I would rock FD, Sbells or Bens boats.

Yeah probably.

you might be right actually.

But also still unarguably not as useful as vanillaizer.

I'm trying to think in my head how useful corrik's rolecop was.

Just getting our default names doesn't say much. But if he gets stuff like on the player list it is definitely pretty strong.

Did Lea give us her second scan?

htaeD posted...

Werent we gonna test Chang with Red?

testing like that never works out the way people intend. Like, chang doesn't die. Is he town bp or scum bp? We don't learn anything.

But we are precariously low on things for scum to vanillaize.

Also really want to see these claims but I have a suspicion that kirby was not vanilla.

htaeD posted...

Red and Sbell sounded disappointment in Isquen, but either way they could have jumped on Isquen if they are scum and if they sensed Corrik was in danger.

I was trying to get Isquen to talk and play but its hard to justify defending anyone when they aren't going to give anything.

If you claim now, i guarantee you JC will claim after you.

I have it on good authority that JC agrees to STC at 11:20:00 PST go for it.

FD just claim.

I'm definitely in the "FD should claim" camp.

i honestly dont care what people assume.

So should JC i assume.

Anyway you should probably claim FD.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Everyone but JC and myself has claimed now. Though you still haven't claimed flavor. Lea, chang and Sbell all claimed it clarified their claims today.

My flavor literally doesn't matter and thus will stay unknown unless relevant.

I want to know what the rest of you are claiming.

Yes

##vote: corrik

fine.

Full

Corrik being scum just makes my day 1 extremely town.

"supposed" vig really death.

I'm generally one to just say I trust mzero here tbh. Hes not really the gambiting type.

If I had to throw out a dumb theory, Corrik somehow knew he got scanned and claimed poisoned to get ahead of it and buy a day.

Since hes apparently supposedly poisoned(Which b8 has generally turned into unblockable) he could just up and claim or whatever but has said nothing.

Also all the day 1 ulti targetting was bad scans but its fine whatever.

What is the ruling on characters that turn into dragons but are not necesarily dragons.

I definitely wish Isquen would engage instead of this.

changmas posted...

if we end up losing an (uncooperative) vanilla then so be it

the thought process behind his whole set of breadcrumbs and such doesnt make very much sense. to me it reads like he was trying to set up a bolder power claim and then realized it wasnt going to work.

if town he should seriously rethink the pro-town value in a town vanilla breadcrumbing/encoding their own flavor 900 posts into the game because it logically makes zero sense to do so. at least when ulti and Ben do weird stuff when theyre vanilla they pretty much always do it Day 1 Page 1 first or maybe second post so you dont have to go searching for a needle in a haystack

You have a lot more to say about him being town than scum.

Isquen posted...

, as I see no world in which Ulti+Wallz is town town.

You think day 1 was scum/scum/scum lynch ?

Chaeix posted...

red, why Kirby and Chang given their successful lynch of ctes?

I don't put a lot of stock in the early ctes lynch tbh. It looked like a hopeless special with a day set on corrik/ulti. Could easily have just been early distancing that backfired.

But I posted a reason to pull everyone else out of PoE and those were the leftovers.

If I had to pick I probably start ben/fd. FD hasn't been engaged at all this game. Hes pretty much spent the entire game talking about flavor(And I think at one point even a dumb conspiracy about the ordering of the player list?). Just not engaged in a way that helps town in the slightest.

Ben has little meaningful interactions. Nothing that sticks out as particularly scummy, just mostly been outside looking in.

3. FD
5. Isquen
7. Kirby
14. Ben
16. Chang

took red d1 poe, pull corrik, lea, ulti, wallz, (obv ctes).

just off of I'm not that good. I would guess I'm wrong on at least 1 spot i took out of the PoE.

But I'd expect at least 2 scum in those 5.

I think JC/Ctes interaction clears JC even harder.

Speaking of.

wallmasterz posted...

Ctes, if you had to lynch one person right now who would you pick?

ctesjbuvf posted... No idea

This doesn't really feel like scum/scum either. Like if your scum going after each other you prepare something right?

I may have initially gotten myself confused by the neighbor part of the name.

This doesn't become the end result of him posting dumb thoughts if Ulti is scum.

Also I typed wallz meant to type ulti on that last post.

They are pretty linked in my brain deal with it.

Ctes basically clears wallz claim on page 1 btw.

i don't think i distrust wallz claim.

wallmasterz posted...

I feel this tells nothing. If ulti is scum he intentionally tried to draw town powers tracking/scanning attention n1. There is no reason for him to submit the nk. A hypothetical gf ulti would want to be scanned etc.

Yeah but town typically has multiple types of scanners and scum typically only has protection for 1 at a time.

ninja godfather would be strange.

Especially vs apparent single use tracker.

he was also tracked going nowhere.

Enchantress posted...

Really looking forward to Red explaining his vote.

Corrik hadn't done anything all game and I had expressed desire to murder him long before?

I don't know what kind of elaboration you are expecting here.

Smash cannot top Smash Ultimate unless you just take Ultimate and build on top of it.