Lurker > Wanglicious

dark fina, fryevia, rem, y'shtola (eventually did pull her once in all those freebies after like... 1.4 mil)...

well, if you don't have me on friend list for some reason just say so and i'll find you on the excel sheet or something.
i'm the guy with the over 700 MAG Rem so telling me is the only way i'm gonna know because i'm gonna have like 50+ requests before noon.
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well
okay

blue crystal went gold, gold went rainbow, new waifu.


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crystal tower is so fucking painful to go through, holy shit.
it's not hard.
it's just so LONG.
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honestly, the biggest offense chris committed was being a comma slut. that was horrible.
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spencer and people who are willing to defend him ain't antifa or something. gym should be fine.
...unless antifa decides to move there.

then i'd expect one of them to throw a brick at it within a month for some stupid reason.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I don't think people should be refused service for ANY reason, that's my position.

you're getting too caught up to another person's pace. obviously there are reasons to refuse service: the hostile, the excessively intoxicated, the ones who you know were dining and dashing before, etc. for any reason outside of their personal actions in that location, i assume you meant.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Problem is that someone is arguing that you should be able to refuse service for any reason. Any reason includes things like people's race, religion, gender, sexuality, etc.

extha's not arguing that though, he clearly drew a line on the issue earlier, though the reasons for it remain unclear. pj isn't either considering that's what he's mostly described was also explicitly stated to be his ideal, he's already said he believes that the government should get involved when it's causing a clear harm against certain people. details unclear but still, neither is arguing that as an absolute. nobody is.
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crimson blood moogles i'm selling because between now and 6/2, it's possible i pull her.
but i've also got 100k coins saved up and that no doubt is like 40+ moogles of that TMR alone.
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pride is the backbone of the politics topic.
of which this is really an extension.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

And of course I don't think a business should be able to refuse service to a black person, but that's hardly the same thing as forcing a Christian bakery to cater specifically to a gay wedding with the loaded gun of bankruptcy level lawsuits pointed at them.

in fairness, you do establish a line here so the question then goes to what level the line should be. is it because of past history? is it because race is that clear? is it because of your respect to a person's religion? because i can flip the last one a bit to make a more awkward situation: what if you've got a Muslim bakery who doesn't want to cater or do business with the wife, saying they'd solely work with the husband or her father?

pj's position is fairly consistent, using the law only to create a balance that otherwise couldn't exist thanks to the past. nationally that is, obviously some parts of the US did not need the law. yours has more holes in it. which again is totally fine, everyone's got their line.
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...it's literally the rest of the post beyond the first sentence.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I fucking hate summer

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i mentioned it one time in two responses. the second to say that i get that inviso takes personal offense to it, which is pretty damn clear with the post made, the first to point out exactly what inviso's doing, which... was proven right in the follow up.

you said it more times than i did in this entire topic. i don't know why it jumps out at you or how it's something that i "keep mentioning" when i did it twice, but this is just plain tunnel vision on your part. the arguments stand perfectly fine without it.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Why don't you explain what you are attempting to explain to me instead of to Inviso, seeing as how you have in multiple instances been hung up on this "personal reasons" thing

what?
just take out the first sentence, done. same with the only other time i mentioned that. how is that "hung up?"
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Do you legitimately believe that all beliefs should be policed equally?

well... this depends a bit on how you want to define "police," if we're talking the state then yes, absolutely. if we're talking about personal moral judgments, or even my personal moral judgments, no. i'm sure there are hypotheticals and examples that make me go "no, fuck that." like if it's your belief to murder someone over something where they didn't commit some drastic crime (e.g., ritual sacrifices), no i'm not defending or supporting that. generally my limit hits when belief hits action and my concerns will lie not just in the person taking the action but in the beliefs that led them to do it. better beliefs should be pushed forward to limit the bad ones, generation by generation, until they become shells of what they once were.

as for how to get there, "policing" may be involved depending on how you'd want to define that. like i don't think the gym is in the wrong, i do think the screaming lady is.
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one good thing about bothamut issue is that at LV35 i was getting an extra 600 coins a pop. even at LV34, which it'll be for another 45m~, it's an extra 500+.

bad thing is of course losing so many places that i dunno what gumi will do to fix it.
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Chielz0r posted...

Which of his views are actually so abhorrent?

white supremacist who pretty much lives to troll in real life. it's like a twisted form of the WBC, just with more trolling and fewer lawsuits.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Chris, you are arguing in favor of debating nazis on the merits of their arguments. If nazis were open to having their minds changed based on rational discourse and debate they wouldn't be nazis.

the "nazi" groups of today includes gay furries who jack it to cartoons meant for 8 year old girls.

like i'm pretty sure they've been losing this battle for a good long while considering that's a far cry from dominating europe as they commit genocide. nazis - actual nazis - are all but extinct and the bulk of what you see today are fragments so far away from it that they wouldn't have even been worth the gas. don't water down that word, don't assume "white supremacy" must always mean "nazi."
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Inviso posted...

Wang, whether you intend it or not, merely offering up that particular hypothetical is putting those two vastly different things on equal footing,

no, it's really, really not. i mean you may take personal offense to it, but that argument does not do that. as already said, you can run the same argument without any example. therefore the example is used as a choice to deliver a specific counter, it's using something you like and support in the same situation and with the same results as the one you hate. that's all it's doing and all you've been able to do is attack it because you don't like that. look, all you're really said here is that you aren't internally consistent here and that's fine. you're agreeing with the next question posed but you aren't actually addressing it for some reason. it's like you're simply refusing to believe that you can have two completely different positions that contradict each other.
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SupremeZero posted...

If I say "Bar a pixie from eating at a cookie store", that's a fair comparison? This is the opposite side of the spectrum from a neo-nazi being banned from a gym?

Like, this isn't a generic comparison here. This is specifically mentioned to be the opposite side of the spectrum. There is no way it's the opposite side of the spectrum if it's generic crap.

er... by spectrum he's talking, broadly speaking, the political spectrum. if spencer's a right wing guy getting rejected services due to what he's doing, here's a left wing guy getting rejected services to what he's doing.

if your complaint is that he oversimplified the right and left then... yes? but how does that matter to the actual argument? like why is it this hard to simply say yes, you do believe certain views should be policed more?
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Inviso posted...

Again, Wang, the argument is bad because you're inherently saying that the act of being gay (which is NOT a choice) and being a white supremacist (which IS a choice and is LEARNED, not biological) are the same.

no, you're doing the same mistake and are zeroing on exactly the same thing, only going further with it due to personal reasons.

the entire POINT of making of making a claim like that is because you will react strongly against it. you don't like/support A, you do like/support B, but what if both A and B are put into extremely similar scenarios? that's all that was done. it does not mean that A is the same as B. it means that the setting of the two is the same and the results are the same.

what you get from that is what you know is a consistent value of yours. of course the two need to be different - if it was something else you disliked then how the hell would that be a useful point?
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the comparison being made there is the person's beliefs and their actions against someone who violates that in their actions.

it is not that neo nazis and gay people are the same.
if you're focusing on that point then yes, it's going over your head or you're subverting the point being made. a 1:1 comparison of that subject doesn't need to be made because that part's actually irrelevant - you don't even need an actual example in that section to ask the same exact question. choosing one like this is purposefully done so that you can question how consistent your beliefs are and, if they aren't, understand why they aren't.

edit:
that's to supremezero's deleted post, who seems to mistakenly believe what the comparison being made is.
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Kenri posted...

it doesn't help me understand why being gay is comparable to being a neo-nazi,

because you're the one making that argument, not me, chris, or TC.
what you have here is a gym saying that they don't want to provide services for Spencer (presumably) due to their beliefs on his beliefs/practices.
the example used is a photographer saying they don't want to services for a gay couple (presumably) due to their beliefs on his beliefs/practices.

the comparison being made here has nothing to do with person(s) getting services revoked, it's all about how the individual shares strong beliefs that would even reject someone from business due to that other person doing something that runs counter to their own. these two claims are the same thing, you're just sidestepping that instead of just answering this one:

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Or do you support more of the policing of certain views?

because your answer is clearly "yes."
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i will never stop being amazed that of the entire trump family, it's Melania who is the best and it's not even close. supported her husband's presidential endeavors as long as she could but the second her son got the spotlight, just fucked off to take care of him out of it. her everything on this trip is ballsy as fuck too. turns out she's a great first lady after all!

for literally rejecting her husband.
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so you're saying they should've won as doing so would then prove their comedy style works in their favor.
that was, for reference, what the announcers were saying during the match. that Breeze doing his comedy acts was throwing the Usos off and they were taking advantage of that.

the issue with this tactic is the lack of results, not the usage.
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2001
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Is misz Elizabeth the newest mwc alt?

yeah
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32, no sign of stoppage. just about everyone who was 10k+ lost 30-40k rankings already.
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still believing that they were harnessing dark powers and trump just said he's made deals with the devil before, this can't be worse.
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so will owens win mitb?
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owens' personality is still godly. just the right levels of making everyone else uncomfortable and with clear dominance in the conversation. what a fucking character.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

That's not what I'm saying because the words you used in conjunction with one another are nonsensical and I at least tried to put together a cogent thought.

well, if you're trying to say you aren't salty about this then maybe you should find your sense of humor again.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

The show doesn't even place in the Top 20 anymore on the Network's weekly ratings. Hasn't since Bryan disappeared.

so you're saying Bryan's disappearance has because he's been giving Jinder the Talking Smack bump. this entire time he's been charging up Jinder being Unhindered.
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damn right he's unhindered.

DO NOT DOUBT THE TALKING SMACK SEGMENTS.
talking smack makes champions. just look at Jinder.

sweet, blissful vindication.
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I
FUCKING
TOLD
YOU

"Jinder will get a title."

NOW WHAT.
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looks like we're going to break 31 real soon.
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thanks for the head's up. wow.
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breezango definitely just proved that they've been massively underrated this entire time. an excellent match and an absolutely entertaining show in it.

somehow, nakamura vs. ziggler put the arena to sleep after a super hot intro.
tyler breeze woke them up, had them do multiple chants about him, and got everyone back into it. that's a great talent right there. the fashion police gimmick is giving massive E&C vibes and with that skill, the comparisons just come harder.
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i demand tyler breeze get all the belts.
one persona per belt.
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Drakeryn posted...

GameFAQs Terra

FFDragon posted...

GameFAQs Terra

...alright, fill me in here: what exactly is "gamefaqs" about what's been said here? attackers are entering the mountain, defenders are already in a good spot. terra's in trance for the whole fight, there is no altered personality issue in the writeup written.

how is:
- teleport the sniper to a position he's good at.
- use the broken AoE spell that messes with gravity
- follow it up with other major spells
- the sniper doing his job at sniping

a "gamefaqs" anything as opposed to reasonable action done most often? like why is she going after one person in particular when she has AoE spam and the opponents probably aren't that far away from one another? i mean even if they were there's Meltdown, which in-game has such a wide effect that it hurts your own team. so like.... what "gamefaqs" kind of characteristics are you pointing out here? she's of sound mind, the opponents' locations is clear, the main tactics addressed are... normal. slapping that in front of characters doing completely sensible, in-character choices is totally not how it's used at all.
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well yeah, personally i don't argue for Break, though i buy the argument. it just seems too... simple i think? Break is good if you're 1 on 1 or something but if it's against multiple people, go for the AoE near-kill that disables the opponent and leaves them vulnerable. alternatively, use it on key points that ruin the other team's ability to act, e.g., with them on a bridge.

the Death argument relates to this since it's apparently in the same "elemental" family as that in FF6, so if you were immune to Death, you're immune to Grav- spells there. that's the full extent though.
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why would it be low? some characters endure death spells because they gained some form of magic resistance to it/gained certain skills that would prevent it in gameplay/plot, sure. i mean i agree that there are ways to get around dying when hit with death spells but if you don't have that, then... when you get hit with a death spell, it's going to suck. SMT seems to like that train of thought. most fiction does too, for that matter.

we don't ever talk about this stuff in mercs because it's literally banned, not because of things not working. quite the opposite, most characters should be suspectible to it, that's why it's broken. yet for Terra in this fight, nothing is. so petrification is fair game, graviga is fair game, and the latter's an AoE that in gameplay wrecks 75% of your HP. in more FMV style, i'd personally see that as the individual being hit with strong gravitational forces that hurt them a lot, greatly slow them down, possibly stun them. which makes them vulnerable to followup moves.
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ribbon in FF6, 7, 10, 12, and a couple more doesn't protect against Death. bear in mind that a quarter of the time it's nothing to do with status effects anyway. Death as a spell doesn't seem to even exist in FF13's universe, it's a limit break for Vanille.

Gravity/Demi, for what it's worth, doesn't seem to exist there either, at least not in any normal way. checking the wiki, seems the only time the lowest level spell appears is in a a QTE event working as... well, gravity onto a person.
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only two kinds of contests exist really.
1) the ones that are more boring but focus ultimately on the site's population
2) the kind that are more exciting and will, in turn, bring in outsiders and the site will become overwhelmed by foreign voters

after the last couple contest complaints, you'd think something that gets the first more often would be considered a nice change of pace but guess not! yeah it's not something that makes you cheer for a particular team but at least we know this is what gamefaqs thinks.
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saw him earlier today.

was a nice 5-6k run. i think i'm getting in position to start buying those damned T4 gems.
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trump will convert to Islam and say he should've converted years ago, that way he'd never have had a problem with divorce.

(or pussy grabbing.)
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Drakeryn posted...

re: Graviga: According to the FF wiki at least, it doesn't work against enemies who are immune to Death. So Lightning is presumably okay. Dunno if Alucard has any anti-instant-death.

was this because of the ribbon idea or something else? because Ribbon doesn't protect against Death, just a slew of status effects. i wouldn't assume anybody's got Death immunity unless there's something specific there.

MajinZidane posted...

Plus, Terra doesn't even know that Lightning is the most threatening opposition on the field.

thing is this can be flipped on its head back at you: why would she use this spell, at the right time, on the character who's got a good bodyguard on her? she already has a bodyguard. i'd assume he'd get any protection first so he could tank it for her. since thisspell isn't something that can be spammed, she's gotta pick this exact spell at this exact time on the exact ally and none of that seems particularly probable. Lightning doesn't need to be targeted first either, like... why would she? obviously she's stronger but it's not like Terra can't fly/teleport as she wants, making her near impossible to take down in any quick strike.

KJH posted...

Ok, for real. When has Break ever been in plot or even against your party ever been something that was a surefire guarantee? It feels really stupid to hype it, like hyping if some slipup gave Yu "Mudoon" in a fight.

i'd totally respect Mudoon. hell, Nocturne traumatized everyone who played SMT with it. SMT series has been very good at making you respect Death/Expel spells, from percent damage to instant death, so yeah, it'd matter a lot for him as instant death is 100% usable against you and a real threat to you almost all times and is a real threat against most enemies too, super easy and good to use in SMT4(A).

though i assume if there's any Mudoon user, it's gotta be Naoto thanks to P4A.
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i'd still say graviga's the more dangerous spell. petrification ain't AoE, graviva is and it sets 'em up for a followup spell or bullet to the head quite nicely.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Wanglicious posted...

i wouldn't bother with any of the authors really. major global leaders would have to trump that.

You're talking about most influential now instead of most famous.

nah, it's that authors are very, very rarely better known than major global leaders in history. a few exist but they're the exceptions that make the rule. between that and high level military accomplishments, you've got like 7/10+ of all lists.
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....uh... the two biggest attacks terra has... don't care for your raising your defenses. petrification isn't really reliant on magic defense and graviga's a 75% hit, buffs be damned in the game. i mean if your interp of that difers a bit in that the number's not exact, okay, but at that point you're dealing with probably stunned and super slow moving character, which ain't helpful.

...and... your point of reference for a spell there is one that needs to be activated, has a cooldown of 30s, and lasts 10s. i mean yeah it helps but that's not a very spammable spell. it's not something that you'd think would be put on Lightning either way considering she's got Kyo guarding her too.

Drakeryn posted...

Lightning >> Terra in a terrain with a roof. the whole "unlimited flight" thing is my hangup here

unlimited flight
magic spam
teleportation spell
petrification spell
spell that creates strong gravity effects and has a massive HP cut

this particular Terra's just kicking up a huge way from what she ordinarily is. add in that she also has personal knowledge of the terrain and one of her allies is much more aware of it, that's a factor too.
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