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Google gave me the wrong dates.

Please, continue.

The '85 and '86 NES library are largely just arcade ports and generic sports games like Baseball and Tennis.

'86 saw the release of The Legend of Zelda and Metroid. Those were brain-melting experiences for their time.

azuarc posted...

Man, it's like the same chick twice, except one has bigger boobs.

It looks like that's what's making the difference.

scarletspeed7 posted...

Starlight Express taught me this already.

Andrew Lloyd Webber out of nowhere.

I've only got one of my five in, it seems. Granted, Rachel Bloom is hilarious, but I was hoping to see at least one more in there.

Ten years ago I was trying to finish my undergrad degree so I could look into law school. I got the degree, but law school didn't happen for reasons.

I guess we get two new saves tonight?

If I've got that right then I'll save Boogie2988 and Caddicarus.

I think a one hour documentary is going to make people say, "This is more multi-faceted than I initially thought." That's all I'm looking for.

The one thing I've pulled from this is that you folks really have no idea how bad it was before there were government interventions that improved medical schools and physician credentialing. You genuinely seem to believe that a system where physicians weren't necessarily put through rigorous training before plying their trade on the unsuspecting masses would be preferable to what we have today.

I'm fairly confident that not one of you is going to watch that Frontline episode because it's easier to spout off any old bulls*** that comes to you than it is to... what, exactly? Spend an hour learning something? Maybe be able to say something more meaningful than, "Socialize," or, "Free market solution"?

If you're that committed to a return to poorer standards, then have at it.

All that time getting f***ed by Jimmy Kimmel must have finally take its toll.

SmartMuffin posted...

Then you're all for inconsistent education from medical diploma mills leading to physicians that run the gamut of proficient to quackery? Sorry, I rather prefer that I'm not getting seen by someone who couldn't get licensed under the current system.

Then don't. If you want to see a better, more expensive doctor, then go see one. Do some simple research to figure out which schools are diploma mills and which ones aren't.

Don't tell me what doctors I'm allowed to see or not see.

Do you do that level of research on your physicians now? Would you know how if you had to?

foolm0r0n posted...

Uglyface2 posted...

Socialized medicine frequently involves health insurance.

If you socialize all health care, then you don't need health insurance, since insurance exists only to provide funds for the care

It really depends on the system you want to use to socialize health care. "Socialize" can mean any number of terms. The Frontline program I linked to is really good at providing the pros and cons of several systems; I highly recommend taking an hour and watching it.

SmartMuffin posted...

Uglyface2 posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

Here's the thing: free markets aren't always what you want when they lead to poor results. For example, free markets led to poor standards in medical schooling. After some government intervention, there were fewer schools with higher standards. That, however, helped to drive up prices.

free markets are leading to a poor result so lets introduce government regulation which leads to a different poor result but also wastes a ton of money employing bureaucrats who reduce freedom

brilliant

And I suppose you think the late 19th century's medical system was somehow better?

Adjusted for technology improvements, it is 100% guaranteed that it was better

Then you're all for inconsistent education from medical diploma mills leading to physicians that run the gamut of proficient to quackery? Sorry, I rather prefer that I'm not getting seen by someone who couldn't get licensed under the current system.

SmartMuffin posted...

Here's the thing: free markets aren't always what you want when they lead to poor results. For example, free markets led to poor standards in medical schooling. After some government intervention, there were fewer schools with higher standards. That, however, helped to drive up prices.

free markets are leading to a poor result so lets introduce government regulation which leads to a different poor result but also wastes a ton of money employing bureaucrats who reduce freedom

brilliant

And I suppose you think the late 19th century's medical system was somehow better?

I've got it, but I haven't played it yet. Honestly, I haven't played much Horizon Zero Dawn or Story of Seasons, which I picked up on the same (launch) day.

I'm going to simplify things by a lot.

Here's the thing: free markets aren't always what you want when they lead to poor results. For example, free markets led to poor standards in medical schooling. After some government intervention, there were fewer schools with higher standards. That, however, helped to drive up prices.

While that was happening, there were problems with medical records (the administrative side of medicine). That took some fixing, but that, too, helped to drive up prices.

Then there's technological innovations. As you can imagine, that raised prices.

All of this led to higher health care costs. Insurance became more in-demand. People used health care more since they had insurance, and hospitals were happy to oblige and soak up that sweet, sweet reimbursement. Also, there was Medicare and Medicaid. Higher demand led to higher prices.

Insurances needed to cut costs. Government (Nixon) thought they could control costs through HMOs. They sort of did(n't), but HMOs were a bad proposition for patients and they cut reimbursements to providers. While all of this was happening, there were more innovations, medical schools became more expensive, and the need for more administrative services raised overhead. More products came out, more patients came on, people who couldn't afford health insurance and couldn't qualify for Medicaid used high-priced emergency services, and the costs were passed on to insurances and patients.

I've skipped a lot, but that's the abbreviated story of US healthcare. If the government dropped all of its regulations right now, you'd still have expensive health insurance, expensive health care, broke people who couldn't afford to pay, doctors who need to pay their own expenses, and patients who can not and will not accept fewer health care services.

SmartMuffin posted...

Here's the problem:
In the US, health care and health insurance are completely entangled together and monopolized by the health industry and government


gee I wonder how we ended up with such a dumb and stupid system that kills people

(spoilers, its cuz of socialist wage controls passed by FDR during the new deal)

It got progressively worse under Nixon. He thought Edgar Kaiser's program was a good thing, and HMOs became a thing.

Realistically, you're dealing with a cost spiral that goes way back to the early 20th century. In some ways, it was unavoidable. Resolving the problem at this point is going to take far more than either Obama or Trump could/can do about it.

Socialized medicine frequently involves health insurance.

Here's Frontline's coverage. It's about ten years old, but it does a good job of covering several industrialized countries' health care systems.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

I'm almost disappointed. I would have liked to have seen how Decker vs. Hupy would have turned out.

I'll save This Exists and Don't Hug Me I'm Scared.

I've got four noms left. I'm going to second Larry Bundy Jr.

Rachel does stuff
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Michael B the GameGenie
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Gritty Reboots
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCssy2sJYaLMlkJ99IhoF6OA

Rob Dyke
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Playstation Access
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Gamermd83
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I think that'll do for now.

I can take about a half hour before getting frustrated. I will walk out if the hostess ignores me and goes on to somebody who came in behind me with a larger group. (This has happened.)

MZero11 posted...

what the hell is a Vectrex

It was an early 80's game console that included its own vector monitor and controller. As you can imagine, the system's games were based on vector graphics, which were in use in some arcade games. It was pretty innovative, but the market crashed and the system didn't do so great.

I think I have a Vectrex around here somewhere. I know I bought one, the sound didn't work (something's loose), but it was an OK machine. Neat idea, though.

Michael Ironside has some advice:
https://youtu.be/ZBGia9Bhjxs

Philip Glass.

Child murderers aren't well loved, even in prison. I suspect the rest of his life will be a living hell.