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I'm the other way round, only finished SM once a few years ago but run LttP all the time. SMZ3 looks so much fun, though.

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Looks like a very solid schedule. Nothing that stands out in particular as a must-watch for me except F-Zero GX, Celeste True Ending and OoT rando, but there's a ton of things that I'm interested enough in that I'll still wanna catch, probably even more than usual.

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Falinks is so damn good. Definitely one of the best of its gen. Good idea and execution. Everything else is fine, none of them are bad but none of em are great either. Gigantamax Duraludon is cool but the base form, not so much.

Falinks > Klefki > Duraludon > Cryogonal > Dhelmise

I missed both of the previous two rounds, somehow. Still, this is a great finals by my books considering what I'd even seen in the top 20. Antarctica got there without me even trading for it once despite being my favourite of the lot, and I'm hoping it'll win. Definitely gonna watch Odd Taxi after this, though, because I've heard nothing but praise for it.

I did scan it through the verifier that comes with Archipelago so it should be alright, I hope. If my yaml doesn't work at all, just put my file in keysanity or default if needs be.

I tried Rogue Legacy earlier today thinking I might go for it in a future one of these. Alas, I suck. I think I got about 30 runs in and made literally zero progress in the majority of them.

Mine is in the yaml channel but I haven't made one before so think I might have done it wrong >_>

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Shaman

Litwick is adorable. Nobody complains about the Gen V inanimate object Pokemon when they're that cute. I'm fond of the other three too, I have a major soft spot for Duskull specifically. Good bunch.

Litwick > Duskull >> Gastly > Solosis

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Anyway, to address the issue a bit more directly I live in Ireland so Ive seen how this goes effectively. Here, until 2018 abortion was illegal and it meant basically two things:

-Women still got abortions in similar numbers to other countries, they just had to travel to the UK to get them which was harmful mentally and added a needless economic burden that could exclude the poorest. This led to of course illegal, often unsafe abortions at home.

-Women did die as a result, notably Savita Halappanavar who had her request for a termination on the grounds of threat to her health denied and then died of sepsis. This is despite the fact that it was legal to grant abortions to save the life of the mother, basically the blanket ban led to bias towards denials regardless.

As America is much larger with 60x the population and vastly higher income inequality, both of these will be worse. Also this would allow denial of abortions even if it would kill the mother no? Horrifying stuff.

Nobody in power (or most of the population, really) gives a shit about the actual impacts of laws. To the people opposed to it, abortion is wrong, and the law is there to say who and what is immoral, not actually make the country a better place to live or help people.

I want one

Dr Mario. He's an aesthetically less interesting Mario with a more irritating moveset that isn't even unique, and is also worse than Mario in almost every way, eliminating any reason to use him. At least the echo fighters all look pretty good. I use Daisy and Dark Samus pretty frequently so not them, and Richter is literally Simon but with cooler fire.

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Mega Diancie is okay so gets my vote by default. Mega Rayquaza is just typical level bad and the other four are unholy abominations. I honestly forgot what the Mega Latis look like and they manage to be both boring and ugly at the same time! I dislike most legendary designs and most Mega designs too, and these just take the worst of both worlds.

Mega Diancie >>> Mega Rayquaza > Mega Mewtwo Y > Mega Mewtwo X > Mega Latis

I still see no reason why Ganondorf can't get a more unique moveset a few decades later. Give him the weird energy ball tennis thing from OoT or make him the Wind Waker version with dual swords.

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In for aLttP, will draw up a yaml in the next couple days when I remember

One last quick thing before I head off and stop hovering around so much:

Death, how have your reads changed since you gave Scare your list?

I'm specifically interested in how your read on my slot may have changed (and this question goes for everyone), because I've been in the game over 24 hours now and I think that's enough time to form some sort of idea. I'm asking you in particular because I'm interested in knowing where you've headed, considering my entirely inactive slot was one of your two biggest suspects.

TidusOfTheX posted...

No, not really

I want to be incredibly passive-aggressive here. Instead I'm just gonna say I hope you're scum, because I know you can do a lot better as town!

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

You guys killed our Cop on day 2 two games in a row good job guys..

I get you may be annoyed, but...

1. It's starting to feel, to me, like you know more than we do with how adamant you are that he is not, in fact, lying. Why are you unwilling to consider the possibility we could be correct?
2. Would you care to add anything else to the game at all? Maybe if we hear a little more analysis from you, we can avoid lynching people you think are town in future!

Hey SBell

If Tidus flips Town, will that particularly change any of your reads?

Fastbreak posted...

A stray thought. It's likely nothing, but still something that I at least thought of and wanted to throw out

What if one of the ways scum can earn points is being bold? Being rewarded for claiming scanner or something.

I like the idea, but I think it's a bit too wishy-washy and up for interpretation (what counts as a scanner, what counts as a claim, can you retract it, etc). I thought about this a lot when the game type was announced, and I think the system is probably just a certain number of points for each member alive at the end of the day (for basic requirements, specifically roleblocking). Then extra points for certain things like being elected King or voting for the elected King. (Please do not go after anyone using these assumptions. This is fluffy theorycrafting because it is fun and I will strongly consider murdering you if you try and lynch Red or something because of these ideas).

If I was Chris, I'd give a lot of points for killing your scummates as King, mostly because I think it would be funny.

TidusOfTheX posted...

I was not lying at all, as will be proved soon

(forgot about this while I was playing MTG with my brother)

Do you... have any parting thoughts on the game, maybe?

Kirby321 posted...

Also, regarding this, I looked back at the topic and think I had the correct reasoning explained with my post. I think just the whole "I want to kill Han over Lopen" dynamic is just really suspicious, and even Scare pointed out how Tidus' logic makes no sense. This was Tidus's reasoning for wanting Han dead:

Which, again, Scare points out that this is exactly what Lopen did. And I'm pretty sure Tidus is well aware of this, so why is he suddenly asking for Han's head over Ben's death when Lopen killing Crescent is the same scenario?

The situation just strikes me as "I need to bus Lopen because he's so obviously bad- oh crap he might actually get lynched today let me pivot to Han". It feels like he's indirectly trying to defend Lopen by deflecting suspicion to Han. Like, he could've just as easily just tunneled on Lopen given that his justifications for Han were the same as Lopen, so why even bother changing suspicions to Han?

I'm... not sure I entirely agree, because I don't think based on this game Tidus gives that much thought to what he does. Still, it's an interesting angle and I'm gonna keep this in mind and go back over Lopen if Tidus does flip Scum.

Kirby321 posted...

I'm super down for this. Even if I'd be a gladiator in this colosseum, I think this would be an awesome opportunity to improve my critical thinking skills!
(Also I presume that list was compiled from your earlier analyses. Those are all the neutral reads you have, yes? Otherwise, I'd be perplexed that Sbell wouldn't be included in that list)

These are my scumreads and a couple of neutral. SBell gets out of there if Tidus is Town because he's been confirmed scanned innocent and I'll give him a bit of a chance to recuperate. Han and Lopen have enough content that I am willing to let them observe for now, and they probably wouldn't be a lynch target unless something drastic changes. If I'm convinced of an argument for or against anyone, I'm still more than happy to throw a target in or chuck a rope down!

Basically Scare's thing, but I want to move from the information he gave us to actual pressure. The kingmaker thing makes it harder for town as a whole to generate pressure and that is Not Good.

Fastbreak posted...

I find it interesting that the people most upset about the lynch were both in the lynch pool

I wanna say it means nothing for Sultan because he was already dead by the time he showed. I think it's fair to assume that Sultan as either alignment realises continuing to defend Tidus is probably pointless but does it anyway.

Also, I still think it's utterly bizarre to think that Scum Tidus claims Cop in this situation to save Town SBell. It's a level above even just panicking to save your scummate. I don't think it's impossible and I love a bit of conspiracy in my mafia games, but it's impressive to me that so many people think it's fairly likely. Maybe I'm overestimating Tidus.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Did I miss where this is a fake claim?!

The very quick lowdown is that Tidus had SBell, who he claimed to have scanned, as his top scum candidate less than 24 hours ago, before swiveling around and claiming SBell was town. And then he kinda disappeared after what I would consider to be an underwhelming explanation.

ScareChan posted...

Assuming Sbell also scum, rule of 3 looks pretty good there I would think

I'm inclined to agree tbh, particularly with Han given the SBell interactions

I want to use this little bit of twilight to advertise tomorrow, since it doesn't look like a lot will be happening right now.

There is another strong candidate whom I shall not name here, but I would like to put forward my name as King tomorrow. If Tidus flips Town, my platform is that we will put Death, Kirby, MZero, Plum and Sultan in a pit and ask them to claw at one another while the rest of us throw tomatoes from the crowd. I reserve the right to shove anyone else into the arena, for the people's amusement. It shall be a glorious event.

If Tidus flips Scum, I suggest we simply king Han (assuming he is still alive) because a probably-Town Han living to D4 is a powerful asset. If Han dies tonight, we just King myself and Scare on alternating days until town wins.

Kirby321 posted...

And then I'll be honest, I mentioned before that Lopen and Tidus being a scum team makes sense, but I... don't remember why I thought that.

I'd be very interested in this tidbit if you could find it!

This seems to be a good time to speculate and I'd like to ask a question.

Tidus quickly went to putting Lopen at the top of his scumlist today, and had Han there too. How would his flip influence your opinions of these two players?

Tidus disappearing entirely makes me feel a whole lot better about the hammer btw

htaeD posted...

But what if scum bought godfather status from the giftshop instead of a busdriver?

Sorry, I couldnt resist.

I was considering this for about half a second, but roleblock is surely always the priority from the shop.

Sheep007 posted...

I will add that feel much, much better about Death after the Cop claim. He was slowly sliding below MZero and has shot back up to at least a neutral read.

To clarify on this, Death's response basically word for word mirrored several of my first thoughts except better (which is basically The Tell for him). His response and questioning is just the natural thought process and it's strong.

This is also true of Scare but I have beaten that particular horse to Death *ahem*

I am willing to almost entirely rule out Death being scum if SBell and Tidus are both scum.

I will add that feel much, much better about Death after the Cop claim. He was slowly sliding below MZero and has shot back up to at least a neutral read.

Kirby321 posted...

There's a board for all the dead peeps to talk together, right? I wonder how Ben would've reacted to this given that he was so certain that Tidus was town lol

Part of my reasoning for the good feeling on Tidus is that Ben and Crescent were both adamant that he's town, and I trust both of their town reads.

I will say that however this turns out, channeling the spirit of Ben, Scare is Confirmed Town and a certified Mason Buddy. If anyone tries to lynch him on the basis of this decision I will become King and personally execute you.

ScareChan posted...

Unfortunately none of this makes sense and I don't have a great answer for that. I don't have a great answer for anything at this point, ha

I don't envy your position at all. I will say that I'm partially very wary of killing Tidus because if he is Cop, that's probably the three strongest Town powers dead before N2. If Town has no protection role other than Driver (which I think is possible, honestly), I think that's very hard to come back from. If you lynch Tidus, we need to be as sure as we can that get it's the right call. I'm almost tempted to say we leave it to sit for tomorrow, but I'm not sure I wanna be running for King in that situation myself.

I see that as I type this up the vote has already gone through >_>

I think it's a fair decision, and I'm mostly just paranoid of the risks. As nervous as I am about the downsides, I think we're in a brilliant position if this is right.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I mean, we can metagame it, just not cleanly. Checking rules, Chris does literally use roleblock as an example as something that could happen N1. It would just require Scum getting points to do it.

I agree with it not being entirely clean, but Scum having points for a RB N1 and it being the most sensible course of action seem fairly likely. I'm not great with night actions, but my first pick would always be to RB the power claim. A couple assumptions, but I think both are reasonable.

ScareChan posted...

I disagree because in the off chance Tidus *IS* Town, we have Sbell Town for sure. Scum will not be suspecting a godfather and the entire game was on him in this case. If we lynch Sbell and he does flip town it doesnt clear Tidus though. The way I see that the only way its 2 for 1 for sure is Sbell Scum flip

I may have been a little overdramatic, but I pose you this question: why does Scum Tidus make thatclaim to save Town SBell?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Does he do it because he thinks that, or because team tells him to?

I'm not disagreeing here, but what team do you think tells Tidus to do something like that?

I'm gonna get back to ISO'ing Death and leave y'all to deal with the mess, but I want to add something:

Scare, I know you probably know this, but to spell it out for everyone... If we're testing Tidus' claim today, we absolutely lynch SBell first here in every scenario.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I think the worst thing is that we can't really metagame Scum actions around this. In any normal game, Scum roleblocks Tidus if he's Town there, right?

Why can we not meta this? Scum are basically guaranteed some form of regular roleblocking in this game if there's two scanners, and not blocking Tidus is borderline throwing when he claimed power and nobody else (bar the dude they killed) has so much as softclaimed.

changmas posted...

this would for sure be the angle. Scare, didn't you play scum on a team with tidus before? does that sound like what would happen?

I am just utterly bemused tbh. I feel like him putting SBell not even just in the neutrals but as the top scum is absolutely fucked if he's gonna claim Cop.

I don't even know how to process that but I will say that a Tidus/SBell team is surely too fucking weird after a claim like that. Or did Tidus panic and just claim shit without passing it by his team? I don't know if it would be out of character.

Kirby321 posted...

Oh shoot yeah this is a good argument. Our odds of electing a scum King gets higher as the pool of townies shrink, which is opposite of a normal game (the odds of lynching as scum are higher as townies dwindle). That is... certainly concerning. And I assume we don't have any other ways to kill scum since changmas is out of bullets.

I was thinking in addition that Town needs to get two things right: they need to elect a non-scum King (which, as you said, is harder because of the game state), and that king also needs to pick the correct player. And we need to do the first part in 24 hours rather than the usual 48. It's potentially a lot more punishing than usual, especially if we falsely clear someone as Town. I'm bloody delighted we kinged Scare because he's the only strong player I have total confidence in being Town.

htaeD posted...

I did have a busy first day of day1, but after that I think I was a bit put off by Lopen.

It feels like that to some extent, and you warm up later in the day, but it's less inactivity and more a lack of solid analysis that's tripping me up. You're one of the most thoughtful Town players and I've not seen that nearly as much as usual this game.

Also, I really need to question how Scare is considered possible scum to you, with things as they are. Can you elaborate on that a bit? I feel that between myself and Han having both penned in Scare as Town, it's probably very apparent to anyone who's played with him a lot and I'm struggling to understand how you came to your conclusion.