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the Shen Yun show is straight up religious and right-wing political propaganda. Think along the lines of the American evangelical movement.

You'd be spending a lot of money on something that's mostly a grift overall and not really aimed at 6 year old children either. Your niece heard about the show on a commercial, she'll probably forget all about it in a week or two.

Use your money to take her to a fun kids movie, a day at the mall (maybe a toy store!), or an amusement park or something else more appropriate for children and please don't support Shen Yun.

let's just see the lopen flip and enjoy some peace and quiet tomorrow while we evaluate where to go from here

Lopen posted...

Death to repent for not believing in me please scan Chang thank you

please do!

htaeD posted...

Someone mentioned the idea that the scumneighborizer is indirect and gets to listen in on the chat thats happening
Thats possible if you ask me.

yeah and im saying lopen might have been the one setting it up on us

oh i also wanna throw it out there that lopen as scum neighborizer is not something i would put past him

this is all sounding very familiar

Lopen
05/09/22 3:41:54 PM
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undefined posted...

This

Here's the play

Scum knows there is a roleblocker and doesnt expect to be blocked
Scum no kills and blocks Chang

This accomplishes many things

1. Town roleblocker thinks they made the kill, claims credit for it, gets town lynched
2. Town roleblocker is now under heavy fire due to causing town mislynch
3. Simultaneously Sultan becomes implicated if Chang claims roleblocked

That Sultan happened to be roleblocker reduces the upside on the play from 3 mislynches to 2 but it isn't an awful play. ESPECIALLY if parlayed into keeping pressure off a scum member due to them claiming indep-- er, bulletproof.

In fact Han painting a very clear argument Korby is independent may have been

changmas
05/09/22 3:54:26 PM
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can we just kill this guy so i dont have to read any more of these ridiculous theories

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Lopen
05/09/22 4:01:40 PM
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Chang is either miffed that I don't think he's going to be able to find scum to lynch or Chris really did make that joke, Kirby is cult leader, and Chang is a cultist. Either one, saying I'm spouting "ridiculous theories" comes off as forced when Kirby himself has spouted off roughly 10x as many as I have this game.

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No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!

Lopen
05/09/22 6:04:16 PM
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So anyway don't give SBell any flak for lynching me. He just had a gut reaction. We can't all make the right shot. He did well.

Think the scumteam is likely Red + Scare the more I think about it.

I think my theory about cult leader is right too, and I think cult should be prioritized over scum. The longer you take the more cult he gets, so tomorrow might be lylo for Cult but still have one more mislynch for scum, meaning you can risk gunning for the indie.

Really depends what scum shoots. If scum hits a cult member, then you can hunt scum, but if it doesn't, yeah, you should probably just lynch Kirby because if he isn't killed tomorrow he's probably winning. Do not elect Chang or Kirby king. Scan the game hard for other possible cult members, and do not elect them either. I think it's probably even nights recruit odd nights bulletproof. But it's possible they have some sort of point system too and that's why Kirby was talking about points so much.

changmas
05/09/22 6:06:52 PM
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i'm actively losing brain cells reading this

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The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal

Lopen
05/09/22 6:11:07 PM
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Maybe chang had extra shots or was Jack but handed over his gun to Kirby

Maybe Kirby the cult leader can copy the forfeited abilities of his underlings and will fire tonight

Man what a day to be alive. Well, not for long, huh?

Someone call the mayor please.

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No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!

or killed, i suppose, since there weren't lynches in that game

Hbthebattle posted...

Maybe this is why mafia scum has a post limit

the irony of it all being that lopen tried to institute a post limit on crescent back in kingmaker mafia

and come to think of it, i seem to remember him spiraling wildly out of control once it became clear he was scum and going to be lynched in that game too...

Hbthebattle posted...

I dont think the game becomes more active, I think it becomes more productive.

precisely

Lopen posted...

Big thing for Chang is he has just been being a dick this game

it made me mad how hard you derailed this game with literal delusions and frankly made large portions of this game nigh unreadable for me. i presume it was a scum tactic and i mean fair enough but god damn it sucked the air out of the room

the only recourse i felt possible was taking potshots here and there, which was honestly very cathartic for me

sideways*

Lopen posted...

Even day 2, look at what Han did pre-scan. He made no attempt to actually push Sbell, even after all his issues he supposedly had day 1.

i see this and i raise you someone who never even looked sideaways at SBell the entire day

when the images don't format correctly :(

<img src="https://www.onshape.com/en/blog/easset_upload_file21411_38615_e.webp">

Say the Line, Lopen

Lopen posted...

Han would have to start GF Neighborizer for this plan to work.

<img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/unYR5yGpD0U/hqdefault.jpg">

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Scum Godfather Neighborizer and whatever stopped the scan on SBellizer

Might as well throw in ninja, poisoner and dayvig to boot.

oh true, Scum Godfather Neighborizer Jailkeeper at the very least

I mean your proposed plan for a lynch of Han has death on it.

how is Han scum if Death isnt also? And why is scum death voting scum han for no reason

or should we be thinking Han is actually a Scum Godfather Neighborizer and death is just another innocent victim of Hans wile and cunning ways

If Han is scum how is death town?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

See now this is how I've felt in multiple games.

Death scanned me this game so like, as much as I thought it wasn't a great scan, it's been so freeing.

Only been 40 posts and youve already deeply regretted ever saying this

Lopen posted...

Just lynch me then

Have fun with your 6 post day 4

i will.

because as we know, the most helpful thing to solving a mafia game is one person sending 100s of posts detailing insane and wild tangents that others are forced to navigate around or sometimes get baited into discussing

Hbthebattle posted...

i half want to lynch lopen so town can regain the ability to have any sort of discussion at all

agreed

thank you

bro can someone link me to lopen's claim already every time i ask he goes "tsk tsk u werent reading u must be scum"

Hbthebattle posted...

you know what, no, i'm done with this. Lopen, you cannot try to fucking pretend you don't see a case on IGCD after most of this topic.
You cannot pretend to be able to switch your opinions on the drop of a hat like this. Has there been any player in the game who you haven't called scum yet?
Even for you, this is ridiculous. I think you're just scum at this point.

always has been

looks like in addition to me not reading 50% of your posts you are not reading 50% of mine because both Han and I have stated multiple times this game that I have the logs saved

Lopen posted...

Didn't you say the chat got nuked?

i have all the logs saved

HanOfTheNekos posted...

How many times did you address me in our Neighbor chat by name, and how many times did I address you?

thats a 1 on 1 vs a group setting.

if i was taking my girlfriend to dinner alone i probably wouldnt say her name very much but if i took her to dinner with my parents Id probably say her name a lot!

but i actually checked that and it was 2 mentions for each of us (neither were direct addresses though)

htaeD posted...

I mean that goes for about every player I think

I am not sure I understand the part about HBs power not picking up names if they were mentioned by their owner? That sounds difficult to keep track of

it just means that Ben isnt pressing control + F the discord, hes using the in-client search function that will only return the text that was posted by whatever user

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Okay, you gave your Towntell here.

Hb as Town is always a jerk when he's called out instead of speaking logically.

If I were in a Scum Discord, why would I specifically want 5tar's opinion on something? If I'm in a team setting, I'm probably using language that incorporates the whole team.

because hes sleeping in a different time zone and everyone else has already given their input

Lopen posted...

I wish whoever between Dumey and 5tar is town would analyze more. Paranoia is not analysis if you sull have Corrik and Death in your poe you need to try harder

I'm dying here. All I'm confident in is igcd town atm beyond cop and scans

reminder that you went after me hard on page 1 of this very topic for ever even daring to suggest IGCD town

Han, if you were in a scum discord and you wanted 5tars input on something but he wasnt online, how would you ask for him to give his input when he gets back, in a way that both sounds natural and does not mention his name?

multiple players would have to be so intentional as to avoid saying his name just in the natural flow of things

Hbthebattle posted...

it turns me into basically Cop++, if a person has been active on the scumboard they'd probably get a result of a 100 or more, instantly making it obvious if they were scum.

exactly like how many variations of cop would we have in this game by that point

5tarscream posted...

This is why I want more I formation on hbs claim. Does it include the people themselves speaking or only if somebody else types their name?

please stop for a second and think about what that would entail

uh well i definitely talked exactly like that in YGO mafia when i was scum with ben, poppy, and kirby

death can confirm

HanOfTheNekos posted...

No? 1 mention is like, on a list and then never spoken about at all.

You know who Scum don't need to talk about recruiting? Or killing? Or mislynching?

Fellow Scum.

fullheartedly disagree. i think it's almost impossible to even discuss or coordinate anything in a group setting without saying someone's name.

"that sounds good, 5tar what do you think?

"let's discuss when 5tar gets back"

"ok so tonight i'll do x, y does x, 5tar does x"

i think that's even more true for someone in a completely different time zone who probably wouldn't even be around for half of the discussion at peak hours

honestly i solved this game like 90% of the way thru and i have the utmost faith Han can put the last 10% in order whenever he arrives

but youre tempting me to read much less than that now

nah i just skipped like 50% of your posts and read everything else

dumey's gotta be in it.

so dumey/lopen and then ulti/igcd for the last slot. i'd be willing to consider dumey/icgd/ulti combo but you're telling me that isn't possible so i'll default to your judgement there

every game i understand more and more why red plays the way he does

dunno guess those were all just in the 50% of your posts i decided didn't contain any relevant info and skipped for my sanity

~oops~

oh i was wondering what ulti meant by that but i figured it was just typical ulti saying random shit

what is your full claim

i thought you never said more than miller

if death and hb are both telling the truth (and I believe that they are), then it's 3 of these 5.

POE
2. Edumey
4. Ulti
5. Lopen
8. IGCD
10. Chang

i'm really truly rethinking lopen as scum now because Ulti/EDumey/IGCD is possible. the biggest knock on him for me is that it feels like he's protecting edumey for some reason. i think he should be in the middle of literally everyone's POE right now but lopen leaves him out every single time and i just don't get it

or per day/night cycle? do you get the results after the new day starts?

ok so that's about the same rate on both of them then, 7ish per day

oh wait is it cumulative?

like 22 times for the whole game? or 22 times specifically on night 3?

Hbthebattle posted...

Alright, this discussion has officially gone nowhere, and considering my power's staling usefulness, I think it's time to fully explain.

My role is Taion, TOWN Analyst. I possess the unique power to analyze.
Analyze what, you might ask

Why, the scum-discord, of course!

Each night, I can select a player and see how many times their name popped up, in all versions. So for 5tar, this would also include Star, 5tarscream, and Starscream, among others. This role, in retrospect, seems to be the other counter to Cult Leader, as potential recruits would obviously drum up a large amount of discussion on the scum board.

Night 1, I scanned 5tar, as should be fairly obvious by now. His name resulted in "1". I think it's fair to claim this would make him extraordinarily difficult to start as a scum member, and effectively impossible to have been Sbell's recruit.

Night 2, I scanned Dumey, who resulted in "13". That is a lot, but he has been fairly active and ultimately isn't enough to confidently condemn him.

Night 3, I scanned Ulti, who resulted in "22". This is a lot, especially when you consider yesterday was a shortened day and discussion both here and on the scumboards tends to taper off. In addition, I would classify Ulti as mostly... not a major factor, this game. So him having this much discussion is rather suspicious.

What I'm saying is that I'm fairly confident that Ulti was the recruit, which would result in a lot of discussion. Now, I'm less confident in him being scum than IGCD, whose explanation for hammering seems to be mostly "for the lulz", and he seems to have directly caused the scum to not be able to shoot last night, which I will not let him get away with. But, I think tomorrow, that is the route to go off of.

huh. this is actually pretty damning evidence to me, yeah. i'm not really sure i buy that ulti could conceivably have been mentioned 22 times by scum without actually being one of them.

the only possible way is if you've been rolecopped by them because of your hint and they posted everbody's name a shit ton last night.

i think 13 times on dumey is also too many considering SBell was dead at that point so they would no longer be discussing a potential recruit option. plus sooner or later he's going to be in literally everyone's POE

Lopen posted...

Being right about things isn't a town tell. As you're aware scum have a lot of knowledge going into the game so they're at an advantage.

Also for the record yesterday I didn't actually call red scum yesterday entirely wanted claim pressure.

i never said it was. Im just thinking maybe after being completely wrong about the first 10 or so things you might wanna rethink the next 5 instead of continuing to double down.

the fact that being wrong and nothing but wrong this game has done nothing to dampen your spirits or change your opinions whatsoever is the scum tell

oh yeah wrong about han too until a literal cop scan happened