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Zeus posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

...somebody who hits somebody else's Jeep with a baton, then gets threatened and shot at? Granted, that's obviously an excessive response in the eyes of the law, no doubt there, but is the media serious with this?...

It's a little murky but yeah, there's certainly an element of bias there. In general, if you're being attacked, you're certainly within your rights to threaten with a legal weapon. However, if the person desists or surrenders, you're clearly in the wrong to shoot at them. Both participants should be charged with crimes, even though the shooter didn't initiate the violence.

And, if you're shooting in a public area with non-involved civilians around, reckless endangerment should be on the table.

You are responsible for the bullet that is discharged, legally, even if fired in self defense. If it hit an innocent by stander then yes, you are responsible. But simply discharging a weapon when your life is in danger (hypothetically, not in this story) is not considered endangerment. Also, personally, I was taught to always know what's behind your target, as in, drop the ground and fire up if you have to (there are still risks involved in this, but it is better than going straight through, or missing in a direct line). Also, always carry hollowpoints. It isn't foolproof, and missed slugs still carry a lot of risk, but the impacted ones should do more damage to target and less penetration.

Clearly, the ones saying "kick him out" have never faced "crippling anxiety" before. That stuff can get as bad as PTSD for war heros that saw their friends explode.

To answer the question, I'd do anything I could to get him help.

If I was in that situation, I would have drawn the firearm and warned him to drop the baton and keep his hands in the air. If he complied, the police can handle it. If he approached me (or a loved one) aggressively with the baton or made a sudden movement towards his waistband or pocket, I would have fired.

Peterass posted...

Guinness

My man.

streamofthesky posted...

How many handguns are owned vs. semi-automatics, though?

This question makes no sense. 99.9% of all handguns in the world are semi-automatic.

I remember that Tom is the cat because it's a play on the noun tomcat. That is the only way I can remember, to be honest.

I prefer dark beers as well.

My favorite mass produced beer is Guinness, but I always like to try something new. Micro, macro, craft, whatever. Imperial Stouts are great like you mentioned, although they tend to be up there in ABV% for beer... which is a good and bad thing.

While playboy is a staple in American culture, it is way too softcore for me. I need spitting, smacking, feet, armpits, farting, piss etc. to get off.

You should never be afraid to LEGALLY PROTECT someone you love because of court costs and jail time. That is the point of the insurance.

Not that Wiki is the best source but:

A semi-automatic pistol is a type of pistol that is semiautomatic, meaning it uses the energy of the fired cartridge to cycle the action of the firearm and advance the next available cartridge into position for firing. One cartridge is fired each time the trigger of a semi-automatic pistol is pulled; the pistol's "disconnector" ensures this behavior.

Additional terms sometimes used as synonyms for a semi-automatic pistol are automatic pistol, self-loading pistol, autopistol, and autoloading pistol.

A semi-automatic pistol harnesses the energy of one shot to reload the chamber for the next. After a round is fired, the spent casing is ejected and a new round from the magazine is loaded into the chamber, allowing another shot to be fired as soon as the trigger is pulled again. Most pistols use recoil operation to do this, but some pistols use blowback or gas operation.

Revolvers simply rotate a center chamber by having it connected to the trigger pull. There is nothing automated or "semi-automated" involving feeding, ejecting, extracting or anything else.

Also, semi-automatics (and automatics) automatically cock the hammer back between rounds, which is something that doesn't happen with a revolver of any kind (which aids in combat because you are in single-action mode for the rest of the "fight".)

Nope. Semi-automatic and automatic refer to the feeding mechanism between rounds discharged, not the trigger action. While you can accomplish the same firing speed, more or less with a double action, rotating individual chambers is different from a spring using the energy of the last shot when the slide moves to make room for the next spring fed round round. Revolvers are classified differently from "semi automatic" handguns (and shotguns/rifles/carbines etc.)

Djturk2542 posted...

I appreciate the help of all of you thanks so much. Car runs great haven't mashed on the gas yet only got 1100miles not sure i want to with that sound . My dad used to be a mechanic hes not cell phone friendly and lives a hr away i might swing by n see what he says. Thanks Again For Your Help

No problem. Love to help a fellow car enthusiast, especially of an American Muscle car <3 (I drive a TransAm with the Corvette LS1 motor on it. When I pull up on GT Mustangs or SRT-8 Challengers we always ride in unison for a while like we are representing American and then wave off when we have to turn away. <3)

99% of all handguns are semi-automatic. The only exceptions are revolvers (double or single action) and something strange like a barrel loading pistol or an automatic pistol (which, I think technically makes it an SMG, although Glock had an automatic pistol and I'm not sure if that qualifies as an SMG.) And it makes sense to be able to get insurance for legal costs involved in self defense. Self defense =/= murder, sorry. It's justifiable homicide.

Does the 2017 Challenger have an active coolant temperature gauge on dash? After driving it doesn't go above operating temperature, or anywhere close to dangerous temperatures? Just something to keep an eye on.

I was going to say what Kyuubi4269 did. The cooling systems can still run, based on feedback from the coolant temperature sensor (and oil temperature sensor if that car has one), which could include a fan or water pump (if electric, the water pump will not work if belt based obviously because the engine isn't spinning it.)

My guess would straight up be something involving a fan.

What's the deal with airplane food?

I hate Seinfeld the show more than I hate him, but still awful.

I was just about to say, WD-40 doesn't solve things like that. Get white lithium grease I believe, that's how I fix squeaky door hinges in cars.

I voted for Schumer, because she thinks being (not at all) funny gives her the right to tell me what I'm allowed to defend my family with. "I'm a celebrity, I know what's best for you."

Keep telling yourself that. Oh, lookie! I just got a new 40 round magazine in the mail for one of my 14 rifles/carbines.

Why isn't Jerry Seinfeld in there?

Adam Ruins Everything is consistently wrong, uses weasel wording, omits information specifically to fit an agenda of his, and goes for shock value over actual facts. Viewing some of his own sources even quickly reveals that.

No. We once had a lady angry because we wouldn't accept a return on an item she stole from us. We told her we were calling the cops so she left. We called ahead to the other stores in the area (of the same company, obviously), and sure enough.. she tried it at the other stores. They were ready with AP and police, though.

Objectively I do understand it takes time... I just don't like the feeling that it will NEVER feel better. It's an extremely desperate feeling. The existentialism (I don't know if I'm using this right) is extreme, in that I should have died in that wreck with her, in that I have no reason to wake up anymore, in that there's no point to life we all just live 100 or so years and die. There's nothing to this world.

Not that anyone here called me a liar... but here...

https://www.facebook.com/lampasasdispatchrecord/posts/10159381070750481

I'm trying to believe you guys, you have been very kind. I've been trying to believe my friends and family in real life. I just ... I just can't see it anymore. I try to be objective and remove myself, and I just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel anymore...

Extremely depressed.

Another dream. Every night, it's a dream like this. She was on the phone telling me the injuries were not that severe and I got hope that she was still alive.

I can't take this.

JixHedgehog posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

Xfma100 posted...

Which TMNT are you referring to?

Anyways, Archer should be on the poll.

Is Archer really "long running"? I don't consider a show with 3 seasons or something to be in the same category as The Simpsons.

Archer and Bobs Burgers have 8 each

Oddly enough, isnt Bob Burgers a spin off of Archer?

I didn't know Archer OR Bob's Burgers had that many. Interesting.

But, I think Bob's Burgers just has the same voice actor because Jon Benjamin is amazing (mostly a fan from Home Movies), I don't think the show itself is related in anyway, though?

Xfma100 posted...

Which TMNT are you referring to?

Anyways, Archer should be on the poll.

Is Archer really "long running"? I don't consider a show with 3 seasons or something to be in the same category as The Simpsons.

I may check it out, but I think Seth McFarlane is the most pretentious douche in recent history.

Futurama. South Park is good too, because Matt and Trey are usually making really intelligent jokes or points that go right over the average viewers head because they are disguised as dick and fart jokes.

I don't see anything wrong with Family Guy, in small usages it's a hilarious show to go to sleep to. But I prefer the older episodes when it was just mindless funny... trying too hard to be serious in Family Guy ends up not working well.

I DON'T GET THE JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

(wtf)

I Just Got Stuck Halfway Through A Poop, It Was Kind Of Lava-y But I Couldn't Get The Rest Out And There Was Crap Going On Outside The Bathroom That Was Pissing Me Off And I Couldn't Deal With It Because I had Half A Poop Suck

wolfy42 posted...

Shoots OP before reading the second line of his post.

Yep.

*Holds bullet wound and falls to knees.*
Good. I'm glad............

Zeus posted...

Depends on how much prep and thinking comes before it. I imagine that I -- as most people -- could instinctively pull it when confronted by a sudden, immediate threat but thinking about it would make it harder. Granted, you can shoot to wound although it'd be harder

MannerSaurus posted...

Say, your life was on the line, or someone you loved... and you had a gun on you... would you be able to pull the trigger?

The wording confused me at first, since the phrase can also mean have a gun pointed at you.

Sorry, I should have worded that a little better. Shooting to wound is legally impossible, not to mention extremely difficult (leg shots can kill someone faster than a lung shot because of major arteries), because 1. Discharging a firearm is considered "lethal force." There is no middle ground, legally, for the discharge of a firearm. 2. If you were shooting at center mass to stop the threat (no intention of kill or not kill, just firing until the threat stopped), trained cops and soldiers still miss over half of their bullets in combat. I can't imagine a regular person, that isn't some kind of SEAL or Green Beret, landing some kind of skilled "maim" shot in a life or death situation. Just my thoughts on it.

I understand your moral point of it, though.

Weight lifting, partially combined with boxing when I was younger, especially. It ends up being a mix of cardio and weight lifting, because you have to be fluid and high stamina when sparring and stuff.

Firearms, collecting them, cleaning them, modifying/upgrading them, and of course shooting them. I own them for self-defense reasons, but there is plenty of fun to be had beyond training at the range... for example shooting clay pigeons (trap shooting) with a 12 gauge shotgun (or if you have a lot of skill, something smaller like a .410 shotgun.)

Cars, I love working on them, racing them... I'd say collecting them but that takes a lot more money than the above hobby. I go the track when I can, but I'm guilty of occasionally picking on ricers in the street. I love turning a wrench over a beer with a buddy.

Computers, I don't know if this counts as video games, but I love the hardware part, too. It's like working on a car, just smaller screws. I've helped quite a few buddies build their gaming PC for them; sometimes really fun builds like custom liquid cooling loops and such.

Drinking, if that counts as a hobby. I like trying new micro brews (or new beers in general). I'll drink anything, really, I just prefer darker beers. I drank Bud Lite with Kim Coates and Theo Rossi (Tig Trager and Juice Ortiz from Sons of Anarchy), but that's because that was the only beer the Harley dealership was offering. I didn't go "man, I'd rather have a Bud Lite than a Guinness right now". Heh. But my relationship with alcohol is strange. I like to drink to have fun with friends, I don't like drinking when I'm sad. One of the reasons I haven't had anything to drink in a while.

I haven't really been involved in ANY of the above hobbies since the passing of my wife... Including video games...

Smarkil posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

Smarkil posted...

jesus christ you guys are fucking dorks

This is not a personal attack, I like you... but I just hope you are lucid of the fact that you typed that on your own registered account on "Poll of the Day" on Gamefacks dot com ...

I feel like this is a personal attack and I have to do my civic duty as a member of this site and report it.

It is your right as an American, son... God bless you.

Smarkil posted...

jesus christ you guys are fucking dorks

This is not a personal attack, I like you... but I just hope you are lucid of the fact that you typed that on your own registered account on "Poll of the Day" on Gamefacks dot com ...

Far-Queue posted...

Theres way too many possible variables to answer this, but Ill try to condense it into three scenarios.

Im armed, assailant is unarmed - Id use the weapon as leverage and try to threaten them to stop. Most reasonable people would back down at the sight of a gun.

Im armed, assailant is armed - Id shoot first, providing I had a clear shot and an innocent person wouldnt get caught in the crossfire.

Im armed, assailant is unarmed and not responding to threats or pressure to stop - Id shoot. Again, providing I had a clear shot.

But really, anything can happen with multiple people involved and adrenaline is pumping. Who knows?

That all seems fairly rational and reasonable.

EvilMegas posted...

Megatron will kill anybody for no reason.

I was just crying in grief over the loss of my wife 10 minutes ago, and I just laughed my ass off like a lunatic. Thank you for that, an unexpected gem in my day.

Aquamew posted...

I'd be dead by the time I got over the denial that killing is the only way.

Care to elaborate on the last part? Not combative or trying to argue, I'm curious about your mindset and the depth of this thought.

Say, your life was on the line, or someone you loved... and you had a gun on you... would you be able to pull the trigger? There is a huge mental gap you cross to willingly kill somebody else, even in self defense. Even soldiers that killed only "bad guys" still end up with terrible PTSD and things like that.

I've never had to actually squeeze the trigger, thank God, but I always wondered if I could actually pull it when the time comes... and I'm pretty convinced that I could. I have had to brandish a firearm in self defense on more than one occasion (they ran, you cannot shoot if they run, and you SHOULDN'T shoot if they run, because you should only fire to save a life, never to take one), and I went completely numb to all thoughts (almost like the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan when he goes deaf) and my brain became a robotic feedback cycle of "Q. DO I SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER? A. NO I CAN STILL SEE HIS HANDS. Q. DO I SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER? A. NO I CAN STILL SEE HIS HANDS. Q. DO I SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER? A. NO I CAN STILL SEE HIS HANDS." nonstop in half second loops until the guy made a split for it. I had zero emotional hangups on squeezing the trigger in that moment of adrenaline and protection of my (now late) wife, but in a calm setting sitting down and talking to you guys about it is completely different from being in the moment.

I'll tell you what, logically, I'd rather need therapy for taking a life and have the person I'm protecting be alive then vice versa. Also, I don't think you should own or carry a gun if you don't think you are capable of using it. Well, you can own a gun for hunting/target shooting/hobby without being able to fire in self defense, but you should not BRANDISH a weapon in self defense if you can't go through with pulling the trigger. It is not a stale mate or argument winner, it is only there because "if I don't pull the trigger me or someone else is going to die" and nothing else. That's my view, anyways.

Also, I guess this is a verbal poll, because I have no idea how to make one...

Smarkil posted...

Veedrock- posted...

"knew what he signed up for ... but when it happens, it hurts anyway."

Sounds reasonable to me. Maybe not as flowery as someone might like, but it's something I might say. I've said something similar to this with family members who are getting old or have terminal diseases something like, 'It's a tough thing knowing something is going to happen but it still hurts when it does'.

Yes, but there is more compassion in your example then "lol he was in the military what did you think was gonna happen"

I can deal with piss, feet, farting, armpits, eating butthole, spitting... I've done all kinds of crazy things in my life.

Poop is the line. That is the LINE. No way, no way, no way.

RIP_Supa posted...

I think I remember you by the way ManSaurus. (OutlawStar rings bells too)

I don't know if the things I would want to say to someone in your position would be of benifit, if they're really necessary, or even insensitive...

They are things I believe... basically, just that life never ends and death is only a stepping stone, but I'm not gonna go in depth with that cause I'm not sure it's even warranted...

I'm sure you're just feeling bad, rather than being uneasy about the afterlife and stuff... I'm just trying to help, I guess. Trying I feel, cause I don't actually know anything better I could say, I just know the most I can do is offer conversation to you. Or just listen to anything you might have to say.

I tend to get hung up feeling like I wish I could help people more than is currently possible, so I mean... Yeah

Your name is familiar, too. I have strong Christian faith about the afterlife, but I also feel destroyed in side to the point of panic (what if I'm WRONG and DON'T get to see her again) and that lack of 100% faith is making it quite difficult.

I ... had a dream about her last night... I was holding her and telling her "I had this crazy dream that you were dead!" and she replied to me "That is pretty crazy, wow..." and we were loving on each other (just relief that she was alive holding her type love) and then I became lucid and I was like wait a minute..... this isn't real is it.... this is a dream isn't it... no damnit damnit damnit **** **** **** ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I woke up screaming and crying and I've been crying all morning.

This is getting really ****ing old. I'm getting tired of suffering like this. This is becoming pointless.