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Was the Watcher really that shitty? And if so, what was the fucking point?
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

Flawless my ass, by not NLing we lynched scum.

Lynching scum > NL. Every. Fucking. Time.

That lynch also basically cleared Arti and Panthera and SHOULD have cleared Donk.

Just because you got lucky on the lynch does not mean it was statistically the right play.

Yes you got me lynched as scum but there was no real conviction on that lynch by half the people on it. It was a shot in the dark for most with several admitting they thought it was a mislynch and still did it anyway

We get zero information from a NL. The information from that day regardless of result would have been important.

Additionally, we don't know what mafia does or doesn't have.

As mentioned, mafia had TWO extra kills, and since they never fired, you don't know what they have back. [because of this, FDs role meta math was weong].

The SM didn't flip as a 1 shot or an eK, so we only knew the Vig was an EK. No reason the SM couldn't have not been an EK and scum was holding one back. You never fucking know, that's the whole goddamned point
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

I played like crap. But ah well.

Yes. If Deadpool didn't flip scum and convince me you were Town, I would have shot you N1.
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ColZach posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Disagree. He was told not to vote Donk early and to discuss out all options to come across as town as possible in trying to work out the final scum rather than just going in blazing at Donk

It was the right play only because the remaining town were spineless and had no fight. They kept looking for an easy answer that would never appear.

If you had real players looking at the game logically, colzach being passive with a vote on him makes no sense.

Yeah, but it won me the game.

Whats the point in counter voting immediately? It accomplishes morning.

If you decide to vote Arti, Donk is still voting for you. Arti can't vote for himself, so for self preservation has to vote you. So even if Panthera buys Arti as scum, it's a 2-2 tie at best.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

Flawless my ass, by not NLing we lynched scum.

Lynching scum > NL. Every. Fucking. Time.

That lynch also basically cleared Arti and Panthera and SHOULD have cleared Donk.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I also didn't think two godfathers is that ridiculous. We have games with multiple millers, why not multiple godfathers?

Because it wasn't just a godfather that had flipped but a godfather with super powers.

And a scum vig with extra powers.

All the scum seemed to be supercharged hybrids.

I can't in good faith see that and believe there is also a godfather, at least not until everyone had been scanned inno and there was no other possibility.

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Nanahara715 posted...

OH LOOK FD ITS A FUCKING GODFATHER. You can't bitch about MLs when literally two days ago you were talking about how if we lynched Donker (ML) then MI (ML) you would try to lynch me or Corrik because we "weren't confirmed and there's no way there's GF." At least lynching you when we did gave Town a fighting chance, you being alive in LYLO would have pissed it all away.

Screw you nana. Your justification to lynch me was the flimsiest bullshit and no surprise it was dead wrong.

Also by the time we were at LYLO if i were alive i would have had no choice but to believe there was a godfather so you are wrong about that too.

Doubt it. We lynch MI instead of you, then you'd have pushed for Donker who doesn't have an innocent scan, and since MI doesn't MK himself, Corrik or I are probably alive at end unscanned for you to piss away the game. Getting rid of you before LYLO was 100% in towns best interests because you just didn't fucking get it.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

See as scum I don't care but me and puns have town pride and were kind of disgusted with this town assuming we would have been town with it.

Like honestly the ending the day early over and over and the poor logic really fucked town in the end. I thought Panth played very well tbh.

Scum were the ones ending day early
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I straight up cried when MI closed his account. I wrote a eulogy for him on my computer detailing all my favorite memories of us playing mafia.
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turbopuns2 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm pissed that scum got crushed early game then the entire fucking team replaced out and still won.

Chill out.

Town got VERY LUCKY with N1.

Literally, the best thing town did in the entire game was eaed and MI night 1. Then eaed night 2.

Aside from that....town did nothing that involved good or correct logic. Town played "follow the lucky af N1 power" until day 5. And then when suddenly there was no obvious direction....shockingly, the team who cared more and played better won out.

And scum got lucky I decided to shoot Chris instead of Han, what's your point bro?
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I'm going to be salty about this.

I'm pissed that scum got crushed early game then the entire fucking team replaced out and still won.

OH LOOK FD ITS A FUCKING GODFATHER. You can't bitch about MLs when literally two days ago you were talking about how if we lynched Donker (ML) then MI (ML) you would try to lynch me or Corrik because we "weren't confirmed and there's no way there's GF." At least lynching you when we did gave Town a fighting chance, you being alive in LYLO would have pissed it all away.

Why was Alakazam modkilled? confirmed town doctor being modkilled cost us a ML and by extension the game.
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Panthera posted...

ColZach posted...

I mean Jesus, Donk if youre town youve lost them the game

"Them"

Panthera posted...

ColZach posted...

I mean Jesus, Donk if youre town youve lost them the game

"Them"

Panthera posted...

ColZach posted...

I mean Jesus, Donk if youre town youve lost them the game

"Them"

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Corrik posted...

I can't see how a godfather is in this game with what has flipped.

I can, so *shrug*
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

If it seems like im being aggressive towards nana its because i am.

I don't appreciate all the shots being taken at me and im more than willing to fire back.

I will not however let the aggression blind me to the logic of who needs to ve lynched today.

Nana and Arti need to realize that my lynch tells town nothing and is an utter waste.

Donkers lynch tells us the exact same thing your lynch would tell us.

Donker will flip Vanilla or end the game.
You will flip Vanilla or end the game.
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Hey FD, why would scum have a BP player if Town has no way to affect the BP / shoot scum?
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Literally this is the game:

We are going to lynch MI and he'll flip town Cop.

Mafia will shoot Panthera

We [the royal we] will lynch Donker. He will flip Cop.

Mafia will probably shoot Arti

And a final four of me, Corrik, FD, and ColZach I'll deliberate on who the GF is and FD will try to lynch me.

Just calling it now.
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NewDonker posted...

My Immortal posted...

ColZach posted...

##vote: MI

If for confirmations if anything. Everybody is getting so rude this stage of the game but Corrik, if you are wrong, you are bad at mafia forever. Your words.

Are you seriously going to vote me just to prove corrik wrong

If you lynch yhe last scum today it also proves corrik wrong

Yeah, this is a terrible post. ColZach has moved up to my number 2 scum suspect, now replacing MI!

Agree- for "conformations" is dumb, either MI is scum and we win the game or he's Town and we have zero confirmations.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ANd yet you won't vote MI, so this is meaningless gibberish.

Ive qualified my vote.

I don't think doppelganger would exist merely to foil an every other night theif. Thus im more inclined to trust the cop.

Can you really not see that? At least Corrik was kind enough to admit it made sense.

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Nanahara715 posted...

I see no reason there can't be a GF, especially because we don't 100% know what Doppleganger does.

Expcept for the part where there are definitions of doppelganger that do specifically that.

And the fact that even in the flavor text SE started to flip as Bullet, but then it was switched to dopple.

Anyways we're nearing the end so there is no longer a point to waste time.

Literally didn't flip as "only Doppelgnger".

If MI is town, could also have a GF Andrew a doppelgnger with the amount of scanning town has.
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Like, I have many regrets in my Mafia games.

Me lynching a town FD with potentially 3 MLs left in the game will not end up on that list.

Me not lynching a scum GF FD today would.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

So you think Scum had a doppelganger and a godfather?

And that its so much more likely that you would support a lynch that won't tell us anything productive if it's wrong?

Are you really that butthurt that i won't call you 100% town. Please never impugn my play again if this is the kind of behavior you bring to the end stages of a game. Stop being a kid and vote for someone that matters. At least the MI lynch will tell us something if it's wrong and we have a direction for tomorrow.

ANd yet you won't vote MI, so this is meaningless gibberish.

I couldn't give two fucks that you don't think I'm Town. I'm voting for you because you've played like scum the entire game and I think you're the last scum. I see no reason there can't be a GF, especially because we don't 100% know what Doppleganger does.
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##vote: FD

I'm trusting MY reads, and am 100% fine with it.
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I wonder if the last scum has a bus drive and that they drove Corrik with one of them [probably Han or FD] on N2 thinking I would shoot one of them. Would explain Han [and FD] being "irritated" I didn't shoot one of them.
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Corrik posted...

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My Immortal posted...

You're taking FD wanting to NL way to hard Nana.

The dude has played like ass the whole game, has he even voted for a single flipped scum player?

So vote for MI. Voting anyone besides those 2 is absolutely ridiculous. Plus no one played this game worse than foolmo (sorry). So you can't act too offended by FDs play.

I mean, I voted for Foolmo too,

I'm about to go to Atlanta to see Hamilton and will be out of pocket tonight until ~10. If y'all can get a lynch ahead of then, Godspeed.

Comedy Option- Dahlia Hawthorne is poisoner and Zam's mysterious modkill was because VI forgot to flip him at the appropriate time.

Zero chance of that. Game would be void. Likely Alakazam pmed someone he wasn't supposed to.

Would be amazingly surprised given the disaster of Infinity Wars that was sparked by someone PMing someone, but I guess it's possible.

Moving on.
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Corrik posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

You're taking FD wanting to NL way to hard Nana.

The dude has played like ass the whole game, has he even voted for a single flipped scum player?

So vote for MI. Voting anyone besides those 2 is absolutely ridiculous. Plus no one played this game worse than foolmo (sorry). So you can't act too offended by FDs play.

I mean, I voted for Foolmo too,

I'm about to go to Atlanta to see Hamilton and will be out of pocket tonight until ~10. If y'all can get a lynch ahead of then, Godspeed.

Comedy Option- Dahlia Hawthorne is poisoner and Zam's mysterious modkill was because VI forgot to flip him at the appropriate time.
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My Immortal posted...

You're taking FD wanting to NL way to hard Nana.

The dude has played like ass the whole game, has he even voted for a single flipped scum player?
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Corrik posted...

Only donker or mi can possibly be scum. I have acknowledged this. So Donker is a fair lynch. But anyone talking about lynching an innocent scan over mi is outrageous.

All cards on my table, I don't respect FDs reads or his thoughts on this game and will not follow him onto Donker. I will vote MI with Corrik before I vote Donker with FD.

I will refuse to lynch Donker over FD should MI flip town.
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Do we think Dahlia Hawthorne is the last scum?
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Nanahara715 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Corrik posted...

Comedy option still remains. DYL and Crescent both replaced out cuz scum was fucked

Makes ColZach GF.

Nvm, I'm confusing the replaces.

I don't see Panthera bussing CMSE for no reason yesterday.

Also makes Panthera GF.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Corrik posted...

Comedy option still remains. DYL and Crescent both replaced out cuz scum was fucked

Makes ColZach GF.

Nvm, I'm confusing the replaces.

I don't see Panthera bussing CMSE for no reason yesterday.
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Corrik posted...

Comedy option still remains. DYL and Crescent both replaced out cuz scum was fucked

Makes ColZach GF.
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I have difficulty seeing Donker as scum because of how he was bussed yesterday by CMSE.
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Let's look at scanning.

Hypothetically MI is scum.

Town has:
Tracker
Bitch Watcher
EON Flavor Cop (in a hypothetical world where he hits doppelgnger N2, he doesnt get a useful scan until day 5
Roleblocker

This doesn't seem like it's enough.

There's nothing that says we can't have redundant scum roles.

Example: Skyrim Mafia. All the Town players were Millers, but half the mafia players were Godfathers (BUT NOT ALL), and half the Mafia players were Ninjas (BUT NOT ALL), so there was redundancy.

Town can always have more scanning if Mafia has more ways to counter that scanning.

Scum could have a Doppelganger that scans as Town to Cop AND a Godfather who scans Town to a Cop, and that means that Cop would have a reduced chance of a guilty scan. That makes the investigation look like this:

Tracker
Bitch Watcher
EON Flavor Cop
Roleblocker
Cop who can only find 2/3 of the scum.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

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Nanahara715 posted...

DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD NO LYNCH TO GET MORE INFO FROM OUR SCANNER???? IF WE LYNCH THE WRONG UNSCANNED THEN WE ARE DOWN TO TWO MLS INSTEAD OF THREE?!?!?!

This is dumb.

You are being dumb.

It made sense yesterday, so I promoted it yesterday. We had 2 scanners, both of whom conceivably had an action last night. (Death didn't count the day before because it was an odd night). I'm sure somewhere foolmo was rolling in his grave at your collective behavior.

It does not make sense today, so I will not be pushing for it today. We have 3 MLs before losing, which gives us 2 MLs to play with, though I do not think we will even need that many.

We have Donker today, which probably just ends the game. But if it doesn't then either they kill MI (saving us from further doubt) or MI lives and gets the theorhetical guilty scan on nana.

Also, this is dumb and YOU are being dumb, this is a much better day to NL than yesterday, because MI is straight up a lynch candidate to him. If the last scum scans Mafia, they shoot him tonight and that stops us from MLing a town MI because they shoot him instead.
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Corrik posted...

There is two different plays today.

A. You lynch New Donker.
B. You lynch MI.

Doppelganger is a basically a godfather. Except it seems more tailored to a thief than a cop.

There is no other godfather this game.

Thus, MI is scum (who didn't want to vote New Donker btw!). And everyone he fake scanned as inno is inno

Or

MI is town and everyone he scanned as inno is inno.

This, why the fuck are any of you voting a scanned inno?

Everyone who voted Crescent yesterday is town. Every single one. Lock them all up. All Town.

MI was on New Donker most of the day, do you mean CMSE?
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He's already at L-2
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

There are not 2 scum left.

Because there was not 3 Scum left yesterday.

This game did not have 7 Scum.

No way in hell.

So there's 1 left and if the doppelganger served the same purpose of godfather then that means we need to lynch an unscanned.

Im curious if the doppelganger uses its ability once and that's who it copies for the rest of the gang or if it can change itself later on.

Either way i think that probably tells us who targeted Corrik n2. Either she copied Corrik and became a town vanilla (to scanners) or she copied someone n1 and was using her ability on Corrik n2. Though if that's the case its curious that she didn't claim the action to "confirm" self with foolmos claimed action.

DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD NO LYNCH TO GET MORE INFO FROM OUR SCANNER???? IF WE LYNCH THE WRONG UNSCANNED THEN WE ARE DOWN TO TWO MLS INSTEAD OF THREE?!?!?!
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My Immortal posted...

I might have to re-read. Wasn't Nana the first one to post and say 'Donk is 100% town based on who is on him'?

Yes, but I redirected off Donker no onto ColZach, not CMSE.

Granted, if I'm scum with CMSE, I don't have any reason to try to redirect or move the lynch off Donker for any reason.
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Panthera posted...

My Immortal posted...

If that was the Godfather than the only scum left could be, who?

Donk (unlikely since SE was the alternative lynch to him today)
Nana (unlikely, since he led the lynch on SE and was tracked going nowhere)
Corrik (unlikely, since he scanned as his claimed role from the thief)

None of those are 100% confirmed not scum, but I just... don't see any of them.

How did Nana lead the lynch on SE? I voted SE first, and Nana was actually kind of trying to get a FD lynch going and also was voting Zach earlier, though he did make the tie breaking vote on SE in the end when he probably could have let it go to a tiebreaker or voted Donker and if ever pressed, said you convinced him not to vote SE. Donk wasn't around to vote, but if SE was godfather you know I'm town so you know the SE lynch wasn't started from a perspective of knowing Donker's alignment.

Of course, Nana seems town to me and would have had to be pulling a very odd fake vig gambit with Han. I came around on Donker yesterday too, so it being one of those two definitely feels odd to me as well. Corrik I agree is pretty well confirmed, Death's scan on him was legit and the target Foolmo saw on him almost has to be scum (again, unless the Doppelganger role messes with that somehow, but that seems unlikely given how weak Foolmo's role was anyway).

Frustrating that this really hinges on a role we don't know much about.

Agree. I definitely wouldn't say i led the SE lynch.

In the Corrik case too, he tied it up. If Corrik is scum with CMSE, they could've both just joined by FD lynch.
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Also have this:

Doppelganger
Chooses one person every night
Will show on penguin, tracker, watcher reports who the chosen person also visited
Sided with the mafia

So, when watcher or tracked, shows they were watched/tracked to their target?

Ie CM/SE targeted Corrik N2, so the watcher saw Corrik targeting Corrik instead of CMSE targeting Corrik...
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LIke, he's a GF who would have scanned to the Thief as "Missile the Dog"?
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Also

"Doppelgnger
Role Description:
The Doppelgnger will be viewed as another specific role/character in the game if investigated by a Cop ability.
Notes:
I.e. the Doppelgnger might be linked with Harry Potter the Cop, a different player in the game. If investigated by a Cop ability, the Doppelgnger would then either be viewed as Harry Potter (the character name), as a Cop (the role) or both of these, depending on the type of Cop ability involved. A different variant of the Doppelgnger role is one that would also be revealed as the player that they are linked with if they should ever die."

I think this is our GF guys.
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My Immortal posted...

Shockingly, ColZach scans inno.

I'm pissed I was so wrong about crescent. That wkjldve been the last of the unscanned I wanted to lynch lmao

FD is still my preferred lynch fut I wanna rrread crescents game again now

Is this sarcasm?
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I actually don't know what "Doppelgangster" means. Could be flavor Gf? Tbqh I was thinking initially that Death was scum and was using CMSE's detective scan to get the flavors he claimed.
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Note: MI is either scum and that makes all his inno scans accurate (because he's probably the last scum so everyone is innocent) OR he's Town and his inno scans are probably untrustworthy (potential GF as last scum).

Corrik - Confirmed by Watcher (likely targeted by Crescent), abandons pushing MI to lynch scum yesterday when, without corrik's support, Donker probably lynched

Donker - probably Town by merit of CM/SE being scum. With SE voting him early and little motion on him all day, probably Town.

Panthera - Started the counterlynch for CM/SE. Doesn't move (confirmed by Shad), scans Town (confirmed by MI). Could be GF but I don't buy it based on the CM/SE lynch.

Arti - Scans Town, but also helped start the CM/SE countertrain. Town.

So scum must be in the other three (FD, MI, ColZach)

I'd personally like to start with FD

##Vote: FD

In a world where there are two scum left, I think it's an FD/MI scum team.
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Hey guys, now that we have used our No Lynch on Day 6 to effectively do nothing because "it was optimum" just to get additional scan information, can we actually do something today?

Wait, what? You mean we actually didn't NL yesterday? We lynched scum and basically Town confirmed half the game? Because we aren't fucking idiots? And we were able to do this without the help of FD at all? Bananas.
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##Unvote
##Vote: SE
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Corrik, if you think one of MI's inno scans are scum, I will lynch FD with you.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Corrik posted...

##unvote:
##vote: Shattered

I am telling you right now this is a mislynch. MI and one of his first 2 scanned innos is the final 2 scum. See ya death.

I'm willing to lynch FD.

Specifically, if MI is fake claiming scum, I don't think he outs his GF as his first inno scan.
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Corrik posted...

##unvote:
##vote: Shattered

I am telling you right now this is a mislynch. MI and one of his first 2 scanned innos is the final 2 scum. See ya death.

I'm willing to lynch FD.
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On Colzach-

If Donker is scum, it's likely with ColZach or FD, so we should lynch one of them before Donker anyways.

He's unscanned.

Everyone just seems to want to be complacent today for "reasons" to let Donker get lynched, this is the same reason I felt Zam was Town on D1.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Are, you, like, still salty about it?

Im not happy.

I don't understand what you're getting at with this line of questioning.

I think the aborted days were objectively mistakes but i can't change it.

They can't objectively be mistakes when it was intentional hammering by scum Han, so it seems odd to be salty about what was clearly an intentional play by scum.
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##Vote: Colzach
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