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foolm0r0n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

You always take the shot on the guy you think is scum.

Gonna ask you the same thing as Donk then since you're so much smarter than me:
Explain how I as scum win the game when you NL once or twice and lynch me D7

And beyond that, who are the 2-3 scum/indy when I flip town? I need to know your list before I'm okay with dying

idk, I don't know what all the scum roles are.

Also, if we get to Day 7, Who is to say you aren't going to just put forth more fake scans or have some other reason why you shouldn't "be lynched until Day 8(/9/10/oh no guys I won).

Rule 1 of Survival - Make it to the next day, figure the rest out later. This is just you trying to stall for time.
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foolm0r0n posted...

NewDonker posted...

F00l either seems to forget or is omitting the fact that he could easily be scum watcher, especially becuase 4 scum have flipped and none of them have been information roles.

I'm asking honestly, how many of my posts have you read?
265 foolm0r0n posted...

Scum still has an investigator (unless there's another explanation for Corrik targeted N2 and living), so this isn't too helpful, which is why it's just a bonus.

265 foolm0r0n posted...

If at any point between D5-7 y'all are feeling bloodthirsty and really want to ML, kill me.

I realize there's an investigator and I want you to kill me

What have I forgotten again?

I'm not trying to convince anyone to let me live. Just don't kill me TODAY and don't kill MI tomorrow. I don't want to town to kill themselves, which is literally the only way town can lose right now. Don't kill MI tomorrow.

ColZach posted...

Tomorrow we reevaluate depending on Foolmos flip.

What changes if you kill me tonight? Explain in detail

I flip town - Corrik is 100% confirmed instead of only 95%
I flip scum - you killed scum on D5 instead of D7

Just KILL ME D7 instead

This is fucking dumb. Again, we don't know what the actual layout of the scum team is. There could be 3, there could be 2 & and Indy, FFS we could have an SK who has had their shots blocked every fucking night (mathematically, this is about a 1 in 717 chance, but we've seen longer odds before). We straight up just don't know.

You always take the shot on the guy you think is scum.
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We also don't NL because, as much a son we think we have X MLs lined up, we don't actually know the composition of the scum team. We THINK it's a GF and an RC/Scanner, but we don't ACTUALLY know. I've seen several games lost because Town rationalized "Oh we can't be in MYLO" only to be in literally that situation.

There are some crazy fucking situations that are still possible. We don't trade a chance to lynch scum for [shitty] "reasons."
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Like, people are saying Foolmo is not an idiot but this whole "let's do multiple NLs instead of risking MLs" makes it clear he has no fucking idea how this game works or he's scum gambiting.

So is he scum or is he clueless?
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foolm0r0n posted...

Oops did the numbers wrong, we have 1 NL + 3MLs now, can be 3 NLs + 2 MLs. That is less attractive of a trade but still very good.

Nope, dumb.

You're trading away literal chances at lynching scum. Lynching is the only way to win the game, and you're actively trying to reduce the number of mistakes Town can make (which is BAD).
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Dark Young Link posted...

Corrik posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

...So what the fuck happened in topic 8?

Also I'm The Judge, Town Vanilla.

Main character of Phoenix Wright since I appear in every game and always get the right verdict ;)

MI or Foolmo. Who and why. Go.

Honestly I don't trust a watcher claim that supposedly only tells you how many people visited someone, rather than who actually visited. Though that's partially due to me never seeing watcher work that way before.

That said part of me is concerned about you because "One of the investigatives has to be lying!", while reasonable, reminds me of that game where you tried to win it for scum by lynching the multiple miller claims.

You must have missed the part where Corrik is only scum if Foolmo is scum?
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik posted...

Funny how you changed to me being 100% town from definitely scum the moment someone pointed out your scan fallacy.

Why is it funny to change your mind when you get new info? Why do you think it's scummy to not lynch town?

THAT being said, DYL and Crescent still haven't claimed so there could definitely be another town power that makes me go back to you being scum. And if scum has an investigator (Death) then it could be a gambit to confirm yourself using watcher/tracker. But that will be dirt easy to discover since it would just be you and Death remaining.

You didn't "GET" new info, you were called out that your actions didn't match what you said your results were and then you changed your mind.

You should've been erring Town on Corrik since day 2 if you really saw someone visit him and not claim, not started erring Town on him midway through day 5.
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foolm0r0n posted...

My Immortal posted...

But Han just did it.

And he got rekt for it. I on the other hand have no contradictions at all, and in fact the only thing my scans do is confirm Corrik as town. It could be a gambit, like scum MI's cop claim, to just make myself look good. But here we are in D5 with me about to be lynched, and that's okay. Even if I convince you all to NL (which really shouldn't be this hard) then I am totally fine with being lynched after like 2 NLs if y'all still want.

My Immortal posted...

Fool, if you are town how do you think you getting another scan helps in any way?

I already pointed out how your scanner plan doesn't work.

Shad and I can confirm each other and then you can confirm one of us. How does this not work?
If you die then town greatly benefits from your scans all being confirmed without us having to waste an NL.

And then the next night I can do the same mutual-confirm with Death. And THEN y'all can kill me if you still really want. The point is that we have 4 scanners, so let's let the scum reveal themselves by taking out the town scanners night by night instead of doing it ourselves and helping them win because of bad gut and role meta.

The main reason I want to stay alive though is because I CAN'T TALK WHEN I'M DEAD. There's a near 0% chance y'all will NL if I am dead, instead following Corrik to your doom (or maybe a lucky win). Beyond that I am pretty okay with dying.

We aren't NLing because we aren't idiots.

For Corrik to be scum, you necessarily must be scum too.
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Do not lose sight of the fact that for Corrik to be scum, Foolmo must also be scum.
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Actually, if Donk and Foolmo are both scum, that means Pool's post fits rule of 3 AND Foolmo's post fits, uh, rule of 6ish (rather, each category would have 2 scum listed.)
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My Immortal posted...

Two different people, Nana. :)

Ah, that's certainly an explanation for completely different and inconsistent reads.
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My Immortal posted...

profDEADPOOL posted...

Scum #1 is obviously Zam, 2 is Nana because the only thing at all I recall from them is talking about their RL mafia game, which was later in topic 1 than random bullshit like that should be. 3 is NewDonker who has done what exactly.

For town, 1 and 2 are Chris/Corrik. As I already said Corrik's attack on Chris feel like town Corrik thinking Chris is scum and rushing the lynch because he doesn't think it will happen otherwise.

However Chris' response to the pressure also feels rather towny to me, as does the fact that he's been consistently floating multiple opinions and looking for scum outside of just a main target.

3rd town would be Crescent cause they've done a good job at being consistent and explaining themself.

I really want this to be a RULE OF 3 x2 post which makes Donk scum and Crescent town but I'm not really feeling that.

Is this before or after the previous post where he had me on his Town list, and Crescent/Chris/Corrik all on his scum list?
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Also find it funny he says FD is absent but leans Town on my even though I was more absent than FD.
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My Immortal posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

SCUM-LEANING
Corrik - miller claim is weak and sucking up way too much time/discussion
Chris - married couple arguing in public with corrik (IF corrik is scum)
Alakazamtrainer - occasional useless posts, bad defenses to attacks
profDeadpool - IF Zam is scum
RogueNoble - power role fishing
Crescent-Moon - Extending fluff convo about s***ty irl mafia game. Sceptile making a comment about it was fine, but continuing it is overly noisy. His post 2.95 looks like good contribution but it's actually fluff and old stuff that he has mentioned already. He is trying to appear active but without helping town.
Arti - occasional useless posts (lesser extent), 2.125 as recent example
DYL - occasional useless posts (lesser extent), defending scummy actions
htaeD - occasional useless posts (lesser extent), 2.140 that kind of questioning is so pointless, 2.230
Shad - drunk BS is dumb as hell, only came back to defend self

TOWN-LEANING
eaedwards - very useful digging for scumtells
Han - good contribution
turbopuns2 - very active but not power role fishing
red13n - IF he's right about chris/corrik
Nanahara713 - some contribution, although mostly defending self

MEH
My Immortal
Forceful Dragon - where is he?
NewDonker - who is this?
foolmo - clearly trying his best but it's just not good enough
ScareChan - doesn't give a s*** but in a town way
Sceptilesolar

Mid D1 fool makes this post.

2 scum are listed on his scum list... but only if (town player) is scum.
2 scum are on his town list.

Everyone can be wrong, especially mid d1. Really the only reason this jumps out at me is the justification on Chris & Deadpool, though.

Did he list himself as a joke? I mean, it must be, right?
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About to go to work, but I want to look at votals end of Topic 3 ie when it was Chris and Pool, I suspect it's mostly Town on the two of them at that point and scum piled on late.
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Corrik posted...

Convinced either foolmo or MI is the odd one out. MIs scan history is revisionist.

Puns suicided to get Chris unkidnapped. It was beneficial to scum for him to die there.

Also puns played so unlike himself to suicide there.

Chris was already dead. Every major town voice was locked in regarding it. MI announced a scan only after Chris was dead. Chris then immediately bought MIs scan. Helped push the idea he was a scanner. Not once doubted it. And then rolled over to verify it. Chris doesn't roll over as scum.

MI came in voting for Chris though, so not sure I agree here.
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htaeD posted...

EVEN night scanner

Why even nights?
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Nanahara715 posted...

How you going to claim scanner and not provide any information of your N1-N3 scans?

Nvm, missed the N2 scan, but N1 and N3?
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How you going to claim scanner and not provide any information of your N1-N3 scans?
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Corrik posted...

Shaduln posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Shaduln posted...

I guess I just don't see the scum role that would be still able to target corrik but I guess yeah if town hasn't claimed the target it has to be scum so hmm.

Watcher, Tracker, Rolecop, Framer, Vanillaizer, etc.

Let me rephrase, in the current roles that have been flipped. I guess if there are six scum we have to assume there's probably one more power, but I'm assuming it's a godfather at this point. Unless the ninja is their version of the godfather since I'm around? I'm also assuming there's one vanilla scum.

But that's a lot of assumptions.

If there is no godfather, MI is scum. Trust me.

Tbqh I would have thought a Chris/Puns/Han/MI team would be more, uh, forceful.
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Corrik posted...

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Shaduln posted...

Corrik posted...

It is also why you know foolmo is lying. No one was going to visit a fucking claimed Miller. It's common sense. So why do u believe he watched one.

See, tracking you makes sense (to confirm/catch you in a lie), it's the fact that he watched you that doesn't make sense.

*the fact that he watched you when he allegedly doesn't learn who targets you.

Possible actual mafia watcher trying to learn who the tracker was by targeting a legit tracker target.

Doesn't make sense. Why would a watcher assume tracker. They would assume no tracker.

Mafia Watcher on a team with a Ninja probably assumes Town Tracker.
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Shaduln posted...

Corrik posted...

It is also why you know foolmo is lying. No one was going to visit a fucking claimed Miller. It's common sense. So why do u believe he watched one.

See, tracking you makes sense (to confirm/catch you in a lie), it's the fact that he watched you that doesn't make sense.

*the fact that he watched you when he allegedly doesn't learn who targets you.

Possible actual mafia watcher trying to learn who the tracker was by targeting a legit tracker target.
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Shaduln posted...

I guess I just don't see the scum role that would be still able to target corrik but I guess yeah if town hasn't claimed the target it has to be scum so hmm.

Watcher, Tracker, Rolecop, Framer, Vanillaizer, etc.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Scare was doctor protected N2 as well.

Well damn, that's in my list and I didn't put 2 and 2 together.

So there are a bunch of potential reasons that only 1 person died night 2.

ALSO the fact that Han was the Mafia Stronglady, which I assume translates to Strongman. Which

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks.

If that's the case then Eaed couldn't have possibly stopped a kill from han on N2.

So if there were 2 scum kills attempted then.

1) Han targetted Leo which was successful in spite of the attempted roleblock by Eaed.

and

2) Chris targetted Scare which failed (doc save from Zam) or Chris targetted Corrik which failed (bulletproof)

In the event that it was Chris -> Corrik it could potentially mesh with foolmo's claimed watch.

Strongman is typically X-shot where X is a number, typically 1.

If it was Chris->Corrik, Foolmo's accusation that Corrik is scum is still not consistent with a Town perspective AND Shad is lying because he tracked Han no where, so those would literally be our last two scum.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Corrik:

Are you actually bulletproof?

Because that could affect why foolmo (if he is town) saw you targetted n2 and it isn't been claimed. Perhaps scum tried to kill you and failed.

I don't think this is likely, but it's a possible interpretation of events that is going overlooked atm.

And I never know if I can believe anything you say because you are the most untrustworthy person in the game.

Corrik's role is wholly irrelevant here.

Foolmo says someone targeted Corrik.

No one has claimed to target Corrik.

Thus the person who targeted Corrik is scum [or non existent if Foolmo is scum, which he probably is and knows a scummate targeted Corrik that night]

So scum targeted Corrik N2. As such, Foolmo should consider Corrik confirmed town, but he's not.

*but he's not considering Corrik as confirmed town
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Corrik:

Are you actually bulletproof?

Because that could affect why foolmo (if he is town) saw you targetted n2 and it isn't been claimed. Perhaps scum tried to kill you and failed.

I don't think this is likely, but it's a possible interpretation of events that is going overlooked atm.

And I never know if I can believe anything you say because you are the most untrustworthy person in the game.

Corrik's role is wholly irrelevant here.

Foolmo says someone targeted Corrik.

No one has claimed to target Corrik.

Thus the person who targeted Corrik is scum [or non existent if Foolmo is scum, which he probably is and knows a scummate targeted Corrik that night]

So scum targeted Corrik N2. As such, Foolmo should consider Corrik confirmed town, but he's not.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

With that said, if Foolmo is scum then i can't fathom why Scare was not killed on N2 or N3.

The interaction during Day 2 (that seemed to go largely unnoticed) cemented for me that not only was scare protection, but that fool knew about it.

The only way for this to make sense would be if Scare was the night 2 scum target (by han) and that was the kill that was broken up by Eaed. Then it would explain why Scare wasn't targetted N2. But that still doesn't explain why Scare wasn't targetted N3 unless they thought they had to prioritize taking out the blocker who had (potentially) already negated a kill.

Scare was doctor protected N2 as well.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Corrik posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Didn't foolmo say 1 person targeted Corrik on N2?

Yes

Ok, so, no one has claimed that target.

Which means that, if Foolmo is town and truthful, someone is lying about their action, probably scum.

Which means if Foolmo is town, scum targeted Corrik on N2.

Why would scum target Corrik?

[they wouldnt]

So why the fuck would a town Foolmo still think Corrik was scum?

Should be "why would scum target scum Corrik", as typed in the previous post doesn't make sense.
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Corrik posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Didn't foolmo say 1 person targeted Corrik on N2?

Yes

Ok, so, no one has claimed that target.

Which means that, if Foolmo is town and truthful, someone is lying about their action, probably scum.

Which means if Foolmo is town, scum targeted Corrik on N2.

Why would scum target Corrik?

[they wouldnt]

So why the fuck would a town Foolmo still think Corrik was scum?
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Didn't foolmo say 1 person targeted Corrik on N2?
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From previous topic:

##Unvote
##Vote: Foolmo

I don't buy he's trying to trap someone, I think he's trying to make sure that who he claims he visited wasn't targeted by anyone else.
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Arti posted...

Anyway today was my birthday and I'm tired so I'll dig out the votals tomorrow at some point, not interested in it now

we still need to hear from crescent, dyl and death anyways

Holy shit, today is MY birthday, I just turned 30 2 minutes ago
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik posted...

Oh, I only tried to kill Chris after MI scanned him day 3. That is nice new and exciting and false information to hear! =P lol

Did you forget the part where you spent the rest of the day role fishing until MI saved us?

And his rolefishing helped us lynch Han on D4.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Holy shit could you be more obvious about being worried someone is going to claim on your tsrget and get you lynched.

I want someone to claim on my target so I can get them lynched. How hard is that to follow? Just wait until you see who I targeted and them tell me it's some desperate scum claim to stay alive.

Why the fuck would I care if I was lynched when we have 3 mislynches in the bag?

You aping Corrik's play these last couple of days is way too weird.

##Unvote
##Vote: Foolmo

If you're Town, quit fucking trying to be "cute."
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foolm0r0n posted...

Just to remind everyone, Corrik's 1 gambit all game has been the Chris tunnel from D1. He was super reluctant on Deadpool and Turbo, and was only forced to kill Chris D3 due to his D1 tunnel, only AFTER MI revealed his undeniable scan, only AFTER he tried to distract town as much as possible to role fish. On D4 he was better but I had to make him to actually vote Han instead of just crying.

And now on D5 he is trying to skewer MI. That is his entire contribution to town this game.

Corrik posted...

If I am scum, I am basically holding town's hand to victory through inside information.

Great, we still have 4 scum lynched in 4 days. Claim your action.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik posted...

Claim your night 4 "action"

I already said it was a 0-visit and it was useless

Are all the remaining scum going to claim vanilla? Why would scum not claim vanilla today? I will claim mine if it's just gonna be all vanillas from now. But there is a theory that goes along with my scan that is important.

Holy shit could you be more obvious about being worried someone is going to claim on your tsrget and get you lynched.
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My Immortal posted...

They wanted to kill the backup before he became cop

Kills would have been zam, scare, me. Or scare, zam me.

Confused by this. If Scare was backup, doesn't that make him a backup Lawyer (NK1: Red) or Roleblocker (NK3: Eaed) way before he became a cop?
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foolm0r0n posted...

NewDonker posted...

Sure, ##Vote: f00l

Why are you 100% convinced Corrik is town?

Where does he say he's 100% convinced Corrik is town?
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Shaduln posted...

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My Immortal posted...

Foolmo is more likely liar I think.

That watcher doesn't make sense. Plus why would scum have a ninja to counter a watcher who can't see names? They would only see him visit whoever he just killed, ninja doesn't help there.

It doesn't make sense.

Okay. But, why wouldn't Shad have tracked Foolmo. He would have to know foolmo cannot be watcher if you are cop and shad is indeed tracker. Foolmo also claims to move so he would know he would be following him somewhere if legit.

Because I had a strong feeling that Nana was scum trying to hide as "oh he must be town" but no he's just bad.

I was pretty confident on Nana being town for a while now, so idk

I was fine with it until he outed the doc.

And got his targets and information before he modkilled himself and went silently into the night not telling us anything.

You're welcome.

(The fact that his targets end up not helping us because of Scare's death/ Han being scum is irrelevant)
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Shaduln posted...

Corrik posted...

My Immortal posted...

Foolmo is more likely liar I think.

That watcher doesn't make sense. Plus why would scum have a ninja to counter a watcher who can't see names? They would only see him visit whoever he just killed, ninja doesn't help there.

It doesn't make sense.

Okay. But, why wouldn't Shad have tracked Foolmo. He would have to know foolmo cannot be watcher if you are cop and shad is indeed tracker. Foolmo also claims to move so he would know he would be following him somewhere if legit.

Because I had a strong feeling that Nana was scum trying to hide as "oh he must be town" but no he's just bad.

*Shot scum Chris
*Called out the blocked Han kill
*Got Doctor to claim and reveal his actions before he modkilled himself.

Ok, the last one wasn't intentional, but Alakazam claiming yesterday DEFINITIVELY puts us in a better position that him not claiming and getting modkilled.
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I don't see "Tracker" and "shitty watcher" being the scanning we would have, so I think MI is legit.
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12 alive.

Worst case it's 9-3, in which case we have 3 MLs to work with.

If it's 10-2, we have 4 MLs to work with.

Alakazam getting modkilled cost us a ML.
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So many claims with zero flavor paraphrase smh
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I would guess Han was a one shot SM and blew it on Red N1 and was just then factional on N2.
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foolm0r0n posted...

I'm not gonna reveal the result of my watch btw because I need it to trap fake claims

How the fuck does your role even help trap fake claims?
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Corrik posted...

Shaduln posted...

Alright, now that doc is gone, might as well get my information out even if there isn't much of it.

I'm Franziska Von Karma, Town Tracker.

N1 - Red went nowhere
N2 - Han went nowhere
N3 - DYL went nowhere
N4 - Nana went nowhere

I've had shit for information, but I wanted to make sure Nana wasn't lying about the vig then especially after it looked like he was trying to get doc to claim yesterday.

Han went nowhere... Night 2 you say...?

Then why was there not 2 nightkills?

Han was roleblocked N2.
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No mistakes though, we still mass today.

Literally if Alakazam hadn't claimed yesterday, we would have lost information.

If Scare had claimed yeaterday, we would have more information

We have four mafia lynched, quit holding information back.
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Corrik posted...

Zero chance there is a tracker, watcher, cop, and universal backup. And, I have no idea how the hell you wouldn't have tracked Foolmo last night.

I don't think there's a universal backup, but yes, Foolmo is almost certainly a mafia watcher or rolecop.
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Shaduln posted...

Alright, now that doc is gone, might as well get my information out even if there isn't much of it.

I'm Franziska Von Karma, Town Tracker.

N1 - Red went nowhere
N2 - Han went nowhere
N3 - DYL went nowhere
N4 - Nana went nowhere

I've had shit for information, but I wanted to make sure Nana wasn't lying about the vig then especially after it looked like he was trying to get doc to claim yesterday.

DYL probably Town though, tbqh. I'm expecting a GF and a Rolecop, so he didn't move, and I would personally expect the GF to have submitted the kill N3 if Mafia had fear Han would be roleblocked again N3 by Eaed.

I'd rather not lynch DYL today based on these results.
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