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Oh wait you said red herring nvm

Because this game is weird
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Neablis posted...

Sheep007 posted...

May be going to bed soonish

If I die midday the person who claims to have visited me and isn't DYL is either Town or another red herring

Why would that person be a red herring as well

I said at the start of the day I got something from them. Not guaranteed town but would be weird for scum.
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Oh and I don't know if anyone was actually reading earlier but Death is probably Town. Only probably.
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May be going to bed soonish

If I die midday the person who claims to have visited me and isn't DYL is either Town or another red herring
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I feel like this game could probably be considered bastard at this point, without knowing all the setup details.
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Am I actually the only person who didn't take the vanilla claim at all seriously
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Ew that formatting is horrible, I'm never doing that again
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Johnbobb posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Johnbobb posted...
hey Han look closely at Slam's posts on the last three pages and see if anything jumps out at you

No.

Point it out yourself.

:/

Well?
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Johnbobb posted...

for what it's worth, he wasn't caught moving

He thought he was and then claimed to move. He is all but guaranteed to have a night action of some sort.
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Obellisk posted...

Can he be seen doing it?

If we believe Corrik's claim, yes.

Also that is not Town power. It's like calling Miller Town power.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I'd safely wager that you weren't.

Then why no night kill?

Could be a roleblock, save, scum only have day kill, day kill traded for night kill, poison, hit bulletproof. Anything. Theoretically could have hit you, but I highly doubt it. Scum has absolutely no reason to shoot you with that claim.
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I'd safely wager that you weren't.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Sheep007 posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

But John Bob we had no night kill. Dont you think that would perfectly fit in with the claim?!

What does this mean?

If I was targeted it would be avoided atleast that's how my PM made it sound

Oh, you mean your claim? You think you were shot last night?
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

But John Bob we had no night kill. Dont you think that would perfectly fit in with the claim?!

What does this mean?
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well I could reclaim my role though I didnt think I would need to do so

Sure, why not?

turbopuns2 posted...

Obellisk posted...

I just think that dyl being town or scum, he handled his claim as well as can be expected.

What is the the rationale behind Town not claiming that role day 1?

Depends on how bad you're willing to believe DYL is
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Johnbobb posted...

Sheep007 posted...

John, FFNut almost certainly did not fakeclaim the role he had. Sultan is Town.

what makes you think that?

It's a verifiable role, FFNut's a new player, it was basically with his first post and I can't see scum making such an outlandish claim so quickly and with no pressure especially when they're completely new.
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Also also, I feel I remember John not liking the adamancy (is that a word) that Corrik has normally. May be completely misremembering, feel free to tell me if that's not the case. Strange to behave like that himself if it is.
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Also DYL's "claim" yesterday was not scummy. It obviously wasn't an actual claim. He should've claimed it first post but I don't know if he knows that.
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John, FFNut almost certainly did not fakeclaim the role he had. Sultan is Town.
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turbopuns2 posted...

htaeD posted...

I find that votals speak more closer to EoD.

fwiw we should all be able to agree that kanz and I are not scum together

Not disagreeing, but why would you say that's the case?
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By again I mean it's similar to yesterday's lynch - I liked most of the people not on Scare and less of the ones on him. Feels like there's kinda two camps even after that situation in terms of the votes.
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The DYL voters looks nicer than the Neab voters. Again. The Neab ones aren't bad though, to be fair.
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Neither SBell nor Han were around for EoD and they both stayed on DYL
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Pinging me to defend you, Neab. Dirrtyy.

I lean Town but might well be wrong. You feel a little different to the last few games but I'm not sure if I can put that down to alignment.

I'm quite neutral on Puns. He's one of the better players in this game and I haven't been in enough games with him to know how to read him or what his attitude might indicate. Chris thought he was Town and I'd be inclined to listen to that at first glance.

turbopuns2 posted...

can anyone think of a reason off-hand that counters the notion of sbell, dyl, and neablis all being scum?

Not myself, no.
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Yeah, I remembered that bit, just didn't bother because I was already very wrong.
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I vaguely remember lynching the first glad I ever saw because they targeted cop
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Oh yeah hider is reverse gambler and dies to scum instead of town and has other stuff at night

Nvm brainfarted
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If I were scum glad I would just claim vanilla. Less risky.
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turbopuns2 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Day gambler is nuttily strong

Chris just called it a day gambler to be cute, because gambler is his favorite role.

He was a day hider. Which is weaker than a regular hider.

I'm confused by the difference tbh
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Day gambler is nuttily strong

And Corrik's claim is weird but I don't think it makes him scum especially with a red herring in there
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Lemme go through the claims so far hang on

1. HanOfTheNekos
2. SultanofSlam - Paranoid Roleblocker
3. DarkYoungLink - Sleepwalker
4. Obelisk
5. Neablis
6. Johnbob
7. Turbopuns2 - Vote after death
8. KanzarisKelshin
9. IfGodCouldDie
10. Htaed
11. Sheep
12. Forceful_Dragon
13. Doopliss_Power - Gladiator
14. Corrik - Motion Detector or whatever it's called

There's a pattern here - lots of potentially negative utility. Was feeling like there were more claims but Corrik also being a scanner is not out of the question.
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Ahh crap

Chris was already a scanning role wasn't he

Scum points to Corrik
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htaeD posted...

Its pretty useless, aside from learning that Doop is indeed what he says he is and using that to perhaps make more balancing guesses about role setups.

Pretty much this

Also this game is a really insane power game

By the way Death is probably but not definitely Town (oh, joy, another on that pile).
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I won in F3 via scum Dayvig a couple months ago, in Ashe's TV Crossover Mafia
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Okay, we have a bit more time with any glad than I thought. You're right, SBell, we shouldn't use it unless we have a very good idea of potential scum, maybe lategame.

Oh hey Death saw what I was thinking this time. Yeah, Neab has been saying a lot of what I've been saying/thinking, some of which has been before I've said stuff and some of it after. To me, that indicates he's coming at everything with the same (or similar) viewpoint as me, which is the big reason I'm leaning Town on him. It's a little weird nobody called me out on it but took offence to Neab saying that.
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If I'm poisoned it's definitely from DYL, but I sincerely doubt that's the case. More likely that scum only has a day kill or something along those lines.
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Oh and DYL's original claim didn't seem serious at the time, to me.
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Doop was weird, I agree. I'd love for him to gladiate today but I think he said it was first 12 hours only and he's yet to show up. Plus I don't know who I'd want him to gladiate.

Would love to hear Han and SBell's thoughts on Puns, and what happened around deadline. They're the two main ones, since neither was around for it.
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DYL probably didn't try to kill me, Corrik. I received something from someone else last night which wasn't protection meaning I would have died if there was a kill aimed at me.

Kanz is probably Town. Don't know him that well but his votes and aggravation due to the train yesterday seem extremely genuine. I'm sorry for starting that train, it probably seems rather dickish of me. I felt it was the right move at the time because I was very confident Scare was Town and just about any lynch was better. A few things you said in the earlier topics caught my eye and I felt confident on a large number of other players, so I basically just picked you to see where it would go. I feel there's quite a lot of info to be gleaned from that EoD anyway, by nature. Maybe not as much as usual since it's likely town/town, but some nonetheless. There's me, Scare, God and Neab. I'll address God laer in this post and the other two are not worth me discussing the alignment of for obvious reasons. Neab is probably Town. No reason for him to let himself look awful by jumping on an also probably town special if he's scum and not saving Scare. I liked him D1 as well due to basically voicing the exact same thoughts as me on several occasions.

The night kill situation has been touched upon by a few, so I'd like to expand my thoughts on that. FD has mentioned the possibility of only one killer, who probably kills at day and is powerful as hell due to maybe being solo scum. I might actually agree with that. There's a lot of people I currently think are Town and I'd have to be wrong on at least one with which I was confident at a certain point. There also seem to be a lot of confirmable roles though, which is puzzling to me. It feels like anything a SK could do in this setup would be too weak, but it's in my mind as a possibility. We should be working under the assumption any of us could die spontaneously during the day phase, regardless and consider if anything looks extremely different viewing things in that way.

Anyway more reads: feel better on Corrik. The thingy with DYL feels very Town-Corrik to me. Corrik's difficult to read so that's not certain, but I'm not going to focus on him now. God is probably Town too. He joined me in trying not to lynch Scare, which brought a lot of uneccessary attention/potential flack against him. Furthermore, afterwards he put suspicion on me for doing the same thing. That feels like Town God to me, scum God knows he wouldn't be swinging a lynch on me today and it comes across as an attempt to actually scumhunt, where he could pretty safely buddy up to me otherwise considering we've had mostly the same views up til now.
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Scare not claiming makes me hopeful he's actually scum
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I'm trying to sort my thoughts out but my brain is a mess rn

Neab is even more probably Town after that EoD and God is too assuming Scare is Town.
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So can we have some real talk: that guy coming in with the baby thing at the end made me piss myself

Scare, what were you? I'm assuming I'm not wrong on you being town but I'll be salty if I tried to pull off a B8 special to save scum you

I don't care if we flip it to someone who wasn't here. Doesn't matter, if they're scum.

Everyone who was here voted. The people who weren't here are all bugging me right now, for that reason. Most of them probably had actual reasons, but still.
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Oh holy fuck twilight exists

I forgot about this
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Bleh is everyone here really already locked in on someone

C'mon guys, there's more of you in the game
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Why are you getting RB'd Scare

Did I miss something
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The argument for Kanz is partially PoE, lots of other townreads for me. Completely disappeared not too long before deadline, but after some quick stalking via profile I saw he voted in the character battle and was online recently. Not damning at all, but a small point against. He's lacked presence and not ticked town boxes. Furthermore, I wanted to see the way the votes would swing. You find out a hell of a lot from these end-day votals, after flips. A crappy stalemate between DYL/Scare, who I think could both be town, would not tell us as much as this could during later days.

Also, Neab feels insanely townie based on this EoD. Good boy.
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Those were some... interesting changes in vote, Puns. Kanz, if you turn up now would be a lovely time to claim.

God, you're already on him. Chill.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Sheep007 posted...

You aren't getting lynched, Doop. If Scare survives, don't gladiator him immediately FFS, forcing us into a potential town/town lynch D2 is horrid.

You see this as town/town.

But what kind of town glad would behave in such a way?

Now you're wanting me to lynch Doop? Bit late innit?
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If Kanz is scum we murder the fuck out of Puns
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Why the hell is Puns splintering onto DYL of all people now
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