Lurker > Sheep007

That's... kinda true actually. I forgot to remove Han from the equation as well since I thought he was Town going into the start of the night. When you put it that way it's fairly balanced tbh
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

there's not going to be another daykill

Scum is atrociously overpowered if they get two shots we can't counter

how many games have you played where scum got two assassin kills? Same principle

Also that's fair but I am very very paranoid about scum being OP right now. Although if Han is scum as I think that means there's less need to balance it out.
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You can reuse doublevote, even if the person fulfills the contract? That's crazy strong.
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Did you lose the doublevote with FD?

Also if I die midday or tonight read everything I said today back. Literally all of it is relevant and helpful. Everything I say I mean, including the seemingly arbitrary proclamations of people scum and town or whatever role based on other things. I drew out irl logic trees for this shit, dammit. It may seem early to say it but I'm paranoid of another day kill regardless.
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And I'm leaning Han scum right now so Death isn't feeling too bad on that count
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Corrik posted...

Death is probably scum.

Any particular reasons or just vibes?

Death is scum if Han is Town and vice versa, imo.
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If they have to kill John to clear or avoid incriminating Neab, that's a good thing. Because no offence John, but I would much rather have Corrik, Kanz or myself still alive tomorrow.
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Death, which way are you planning on voting, right now?

God, Kanz, Corrik, thoughts on Death?
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Hmm

The question now is who am I wrong about? Is 4 scum too little? I've not liked Death's posts today at all, which is very rare because every time I've been Town with him before I've found very little I've disagreed with.
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Neab, you need to full claim including the details of what you can give out, how often, flavour, etc. I don't think you have yet.
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Corrik posted...

Did I miss something? How does johnbobb confirm him?

I think Kanz says John confirms him as inventor, since he doesn't think scum have a full time inventor. I think if he does have such a crappy ability as Jack, he does something actually useful like hitting Sultan with it.
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Like, I was confident enough to do that because I was sure Scare was Town. I'm about as sure that Neab is. Who the hell feels good about Doop so far? Literally nobody I can think of.
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If you're going to damn him for the vote, damn me too. I used similar logic to vote at the end of D1, and I lead the crappy jumps around lynches.
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Corrik, trust me on this one and get Doop today. I have the utmost confidence that Neab is not scum.
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Honestly I probably relied on Chris a bit too much because I wasn't so focused on Puns since Chris called him probably Town which stopped me putting appropriate amounts of pressure on

Ew I just realised how reactive > proactive I was last night

You are getting hyped Sheep today whether you like it or not
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Lol I didn't care much about Puns at that point

I don't really really want to kill him yet but after Doop and Han he's probably next in line.
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No, Han, it didn't say it was from Neab. But he implied it D2 and it added up with his behaviour D1.
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I never said it was useful, I said I didn't see scum having it.

That's an interesting thought on the Sultan thingy but there is literally no reason to claim the visit. Neab is smarter than that.
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Neablis posted...

I am about to go to bed, FD dying there is particularly annoying.

Post 9, Neab softs sending FD an offer last night.
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Flavour Cop is pointless, I agree, which is why I think it's legit. There's no way Town would have anything which gives powerful abilities our given the already tipped balance

Also scum definitely have 5 or are very overpowered and 4. I'm leaning 5.
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turbopuns2 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Corrik, I was given a contract from Neab, and was notified I would have a flavour cop if I voted Puns.

Whoa what. Can you explain this in more detail

Not much more to say. I was told that if I was voting you at the end of the day, I would get a single flavour cop scan to use at any time. It was confirmed that it was not a message and I would legitimately get that power. Adds up that he would target me, to me, and I also don't think that he's silly enough to think as scum it'd have any effect on my actual votes. Would've been better off sending it to a less vocal player, or one who was more unsure on him.

Neab, can you clarify how your role works?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

oh btw

Neab if you live give Johnbobb a gift. I am dead serious about this and it's your optimal play if town.

I can justify this later (have to leave for work soon) but I am 100% confident in this. It's by far the best choice.

I agree strongly with this

Very strongly

Corrik, I was given a contract from Neab, and was notified I would have a flavour cop if I voted Puns.

I do not see scum having a role like that.

Also, scum is probably 5 man. GF, Glad, Ninja, Jack, something else.

I think Scum have a one shot RB and town have only one shot protection to compensate.
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Not massclaim but sametime smh
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Can we agree to do a four-way massclaim

Just for the kicks
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My biggest worry about the glad is that enough people I feel are Town have voiced suspicion on Neab for it to be very worthwhile for scum Doop to do it for it to be likely to end in a mislynch if Neab is Town.
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Doop is scum. Not done anything to appear on my town list. Absolutely abysmal vote history (the biggest damning mark against fairly new but not useless scum). Neab is confirmed inventor, and has mostly matched my thoughts throughout, particularly D1. Also, the gladiate was dreadful, as Puns said, and seemingly due to the baiting from Corrik. Makes me even more sure Corrik is Town.
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Death, you are okay with a massclaim tomorrow, yeah? There's only you, God, John and I left to claim iirc, and I doubt there's any scum there.
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I've seen you're taking the advice, Sultan, it'll definitely help you improve. The fact you went back for those Kanz quotes was showing you're critically thinking and that's always Town points from me

Plus the guy you replaced was really Town so that's handy
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I don't think Kanz and Han are both scum, but there's a small chance. Kanz had a very strong D2 and him leading the charge on SBell seems unlikely to me if he is scum. Could've easily gone for anyone else.
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Corrik is very unlikely to be scum and going after the Cop is absolutely the right play.

How do votals indicate Han cannot be scum, Kanz?
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I need to reread yesterday's end, I read it twice during night but I think I should have another look.
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Corrik posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I mean, there's a chance you could be scum, but after typing this out I feel much less bad about you. Which means Han is lying or this game is utterly broken.

Also you would likely just claim watcher and nuke Neab/DYL as scum assuming they were town

That doesn't explain why I as scum would visit FD on the same night we killed him. It still doesn't logically add up for me to be scum in that scenario. Why would I watch the person we are killing? Lol

I was thinking that it might be to attempt to murder whoever else may have been on him (DYL and Neab). Which you didn't do. Even that was a bit of a stretch, but I would like to consider every possibility. Anyway, all that makes you Town, which was my point.
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I mean, there's a chance you could be scum, but after typing this out I feel much less bad about you. Which means Han is lying or this game is utterly broken.

Also you would likely just claim watcher and nuke Neab/DYL as scum assuming they were town
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That would also make Han scum Ninja since according to you nobody else visited FD and Ninja should be putting in the kills every day. Would also explain why Han (a more prominent/bigger target for jailer than quieter players) would have inputted a potential kill. This may be confirmation bias speaking now, but I feel I'm convincing myself Han is scum. Really need to hear from him.
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And as I said, if you aren't scum, since you likely aren't lying about being whatever you said, Han almost certainly is. Godfather flipping is all that's throwing me.
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Corrik posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Corrik posted...

He could be scum inventor who night 2 put in the night kill instead of invented. He could also be a scum jack. Etc

Theoretically yes, but how likely do you think that is?

I don't think it is anything that would fall into the realm of too unlikely.

Basically 3 options here.

1. Neab is scum inventor who killed FD.
2. DYL is a scum flavor cop or something that put in the kill night 2 on FD.
3. A ninja killed FD.

For scenarios 1 and 2, it means either Han is scum whose nightkill was blocked or that Kanz is town and the nightkill shot into the jailkeep at Han and thus failed (or was blocked another way). Then Neab or DYL put in the night kill night 2.

3. Means that everyone involved with FD is town. Because scum wouldn't target someone with 2 roles on the same night. Making FD, DYL, and Neab town.

I think the third one is the most likely. First of all, flavour cop should've been burned on FFNut, as it's literally useless in a game like this. DYL isn't role cop, isn't poisoner, probably isn't roleblocker, isn't ninja... Can't think of any other major scum role that would have motivation to visit me which doesn't kill. Option one is more likely to be right, but I just don't think Neab is scum and I don't see scum inventor as that likely. Scum Ninja, on the other hand, is almost certain if you aren't lying. And I don't think you're faking having your night action, since it'd be a godly guess.
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Also, I understand my vote on Han yesterday was awful. I thought he was Town at the time but trusted him if he was Town to do enough to get out of it unless the information against him became even more compelling, plus I knew Kanz was probably hiding something up his sleeve. I figured with the chance Han was scum, better to have my vote there than somewhere completely random and useless, or not having one at all. I was considering voting Puns but it was only for a flavour cop scan and I panicked a little since I had to go really quickly.
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Also, opinions on whether it's worth massclaiming today since we can't lynch anyone who is still left to claim?
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Han said he targeted Neab N1
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Corrik posted...

He could be scum inventor who night 2 put in the night kill instead of invented. He could also be a scum jack. Etc

Theoretically yes, but how likely do you think that is?
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Like I flat out completely and utterly refuse the possibility that neither Han or Corrik are lying about their roles.
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Corrik and Han are not both (Town) investigation roles.

I would say Puns is scum in general, actually.
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Also if Han isn't scum Puns and Corrik both probably are, or at least one is.
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I want to do a four-way massclaim with me, John, God and Death. Sort the entire game out now. Can pass on God for now but I definitely want a three-way claim with John and Death at least.
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Or rather what reason does he have to claim to visit Han if he did something as scum
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I still feel really good about Neab, and as with DYL what reason does he have to claim to have visited FD if he didn't? Plus he is absolutely confirmed to be inventor, unless we were scum together and I was stupid enough to link us together in that way (I wouldn't be).
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Ninja'd
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Also Corrik being Motion Detector or whatever the hell it's meant to be called is a really good point in DYL's favour. But then the biggest thing making me think that Han is Cop is that there's a flipped Godfather
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Also Neab did you seriously imagine I was gonna vote Puns for a bloody flavour cop of all things

Does that mean Puns was your biggest scumread?
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Either there is a ninja or Corrik is scum (which I doubt, although scum Watcher/motion detector has been in my mind since I saw Han's claim) I think both DYL and Neab are Town, now. Absolutely no reason for DYL to claim that on FD if he isn't being truthful, imo (and he didn't try to kill me the night before), and Neab already proved that he is inventor, plus FD follows the thought process I think he would go through (of probable town who aren't going to die).
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