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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Doesn't matter what they give you if it's a free confirmation. Day 1

Please tell me the logic that made you come to the conclusion whatever you're referring to was a free confirmation
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...does banging your head against a brick wall give you whiplash, or is that something else?
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turbopuns2 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

there is absolutely no reason for scum to visit scum N1

This is completely untrue. Scum inventors have existed before. Scum have even scanned their teammates or roleblocked their teammates N1 before to set themselves up for later.

But if scum inventors can give stuff to their teammates why the fuck are they not giving useful things to them instead of town early on
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I'll probably be off to bed in another hour or so, if anyone has any more incorrect statements or questions that have already been asked, hurry it up.
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If scum aren't going to kill Town Cop Han at some point they are absolutely braindead and should not be playing this game

Even with an RB, the RB could die at some point and then they're utterly screwed
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I felt bugger all about Gravy. He barely posted, I replaced in rather soon and didn't have any feelings on him yet. Why would I not wait to claim as tracker? I didn't have any damning scans. Probably should've waited longer considering I wasn't a massive kill target, but I think the fact that both Han and I are still alive really limits scum's options tonight regardless of Han's alignment. Targeted the people I did because I was unsure on them and I scan people I'm unsure of as a scanner, generally.

Top three scum reads is actually kinda hard. I'm not sure I have any right now. I'm almost certain John, Neab and Sultan are all Town, though. God is probably Town. I don't really, really want to lynch anyone right now, but top three is probably Han, DYL and Puns, in that order. Corrik and Death are in the tier just below that.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

A neab sheep scum team could make sense Sheep has been always pretty ready to defend neab

Except he is confirmed as visiting me and there is absolutely no reason for scum to visit scum N1

And yes Puns I could've tried to start something on you D2 but I didn't feel bad about you at the time and a bloody flavour cop wasn't worth trying to pressure you most of the day.

Indicating I received something was to verify the claims that I had two visitors - DYL and another (presumably Town because it was a gift, meaning DYL likely wasn't scum shooting me and the other person saving me). I didn't say anything about the gift's purpose nor the fact I had to vote anyone to activate it, just that I had it. I didn't think something that minor would be significant enough to make me a major target.
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What do you want to hear, then?
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People are always being talked about. Would you rather me come in here having been ignored for the entire day and then put him L-1? Not like I didn't tell people he wasn't L-1, or encouraged them to hammer.
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I want people to know where I stand, tbh

There is no explaining to do, Sultan.
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Ninja'd
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DYL is one away from hammer now so no more voting him unless it's near the end or everyone wants it
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That actually is kinda useful to be reminded of Sultan

Doesn't seem to be from a Town role, not sure what potential abilities on the scum team could account for it
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If a scum inventor could give to teammates then the sensible move would be to give doublevotes to use in the endgame and nothing else. And if scum inventor can give nothing then why shouldn't other roles be able to visit people just because and do absolutely nothing?
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John, keeping Neab alive is the right play. I just don't see a realistic scenario where he's scum right now.

##Vote: DYL
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Yep, pretty much straight away because Corrik saw two people visiting me

Would also like to remind anyone who thinks Neab or DYL are scum that that should basically confirm me
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Han and Neab both being scum doesn't make too much sense either, I've just thought. Neab wouldn't be allowed to give a gift to his scummate Han, and there's no other way to account for two people visiting Han if Han is scum.
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turbopuns2 posted...

sheep I know it was covered before but can you please reiterate why exactly you neglected to cash in on a virtually free flavor scan

Because I thought it was useless considering the way the flavour was set up and I actually wanted to attempt to contribute with my vote that day, plus I panicked slightly at the end since the Han thingy from Kanz happened and I had to go quickly.
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Gifted flavour cop to me N1
Gifted doublevote to FD N2
Gifted BP to Han N3
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We already know SBell at least on the scum team is a competent player as well

Even if you believe the others are all fairly new, you think he really doesn't point that out?
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Of course it was my point already, but Corrik's thought was that the gift was also being sent to the kill. Scum don't do something that stupid beyond beginner level, ever. I can sorta understand giving a flavour cop or even doublevote (if you're confident that the person is gonna vote wrong) but a BP is certifiably insane.
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Like, seriously, Han has confirmed the BP gift exists. Why would scum make such a pointless potentially game-losing mistake intentionally
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Part of the reason I'm not voting Han is because if this game really does have both of us as scanners it should be almost wonIfGodCouldDie posted...

Corrik posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Corrik posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Corrik posted...

I can't get over that neab literally just said every person not in the game voting him is town. Every single one. This by extension means that neab thinks the entire scum team is on him... Him of all people.

Dude is scum.

Poe arguments day 1. Contradicting explanations for night actions. Went to night kill likely twice. And saying all scum is on him.

No way he is just that bad as town.

So you're really going with the theory that scum inventor was also trying to kill his targets.

Gift of death how sweet.

Do you believe that both sheep and Han are scum with Neab?

Zero chance. I think Han is town.

So what is the point of making him bullet proof?

Actually, that's a brilliant point. Neab obviously has other gifts. Why the bloody hell would he give Han BP when there's other options? Maybe they'd expect to kill him but I've never seen scum careless enough to do that.
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Did all the old topics die? I wanted to ISO Corrik dammit
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htaeD posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Corrik, you're a good player, but if Neab is Town your voting record is absolutely abysmal. That in itself is a big black mark against your name for me.

And what is this post even supposed to accomplish?

What's the point of any post?
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htaeD posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I also struggle to see any situation in which Scum Neab gives Town Han a BP use. Like, that's basically unthinkable. If you think Han is Town, Neab must almost certainly also be Town.

Uhm, to repeat what Corrik said earlier.

What if scum tried to gift and shoot Han at the same time?

In my current "scum has a ninja" idea, that's completely pointless.
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Why the hell did I think Corrik was Town again?
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Except me, to... prove that he was inventor?
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Corrik, you're a good player, but if Neab is Town your voting record is absolutely abysmal. That in itself is a big black mark against your name for me.
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I also struggle to see any situation in which Scum Neab gives Town Han a BP use. Like, that's basically unthinkable. If you think Han is Town, Neab must almost certainly also be Town.
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Aye, everyone who's been on my votes has generally been on them all game, and generally those who haven't, haven't been on them. And, D1 and D3, at least, the majority of my votes were right.
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I'm honestly not sure who I want to go after. DYL is probably the logical one assuming Han is off the table, since literally everyone else I can eliminate for one reason or another, except maybe Death. I didn't want to lynch God, I was just pissed at the time that he didn't claim. No sense lynching him unless we've already lynched Han, since if Han is Town God is basically confirmed Town
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##Unvote

Don't really, really want to lynch DYL but I'd far rather go for him over Neab right now. Don't want to vote because it would put it too close to hammer.
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It's not confirmed there was a roleblock at all on the nights I tracked you
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I did not mix up the targets of my tracks. And I guess DYL perhaps could be the RB, but he claimed to visit me N1, I was not blocked, and nobody else claimed to visit me. So very very unlikely to be RB. I didn't track him because I felt alright on him, and thought it was a good idea to try and clear up those I was unsure on.
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Well, I was unblocked all nights. Neab, John and DYL at the very least cannot possibly be the RB.
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I didn't hear this theory, did I miss it or something?
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turbopuns2 posted...

Sheep what do you mean by if death is a jack it's possible he used the kill earlier

It's possible he assassinated Chris which could make a Jack unusable that night, which would explain his inaction.

Also that's a fair point Corrik, but why wasn't Kanz roleblocked in that case, since I'm pretty sure most people with any experience knew he was faking only being one-shot. Though jailing Han was probably unlikely.

John, Death and Puns are very unlikely to be on a scum team with any of the other. It's likely that either one is ninja, or some scum role which did nothing the night they were scanned. Means John is rather unlikely to be the RB, at least, if Han is Town.
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5 and 2 are the wrong way around, but yeah, I think the rest is right.

I honestly just don't see why Neab would give the claimed Cop a BP if he was scum and Han wasn't as well. Granted, I'm not feeling so hot on Han, but he actually didn't claimed roleblocked last night. If there's no dedicated roleblocker, this could basically be autowin and I'm not sure if anyone else is willing to lynch Han today regardless.

I tracked Death because I wasn't awfully sure on him D1, although I normally feel like he is Town fairly early. I wanted to be able to trust him early if possible, since he's a good player. Honestly, I don't trust him very much right now, since if he's a Jack it's possible he used the kill earlier, and if he's Ninja of course he didn't move. He hasn't seemed as townie as John to me. But then I don't really feel like killing someone I tracked, because it means we have less info on the others. Then again, I don't feel like DYL is scum either.
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I always forget, scum normally can't put in an ability and kill on the same night, can they?
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The biggest problem there is that I have no idea why Neab would say he went to the night kill several times if he was actually the person putting in the kill, plus he has been confirmed giving a gift two nights, and one of the nights had a kill. That gladiate was real ballsy if Neab is also scum, although it felt more like a spur of the moment decision from Doop.
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turbopuns2 posted...

So sheep claimed tracker and voices tons of suspicion of Han

Then he votes IGCD and says there's no reason it should be revealed what item Han received

Doesn't jive

The vote on God was literally just because he didn't claim when I did (and still hasn't).

And I did say Han's item should be revealed...
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Sure, a ninja would make it harder to find someone, but I struggle to believe that there isn't another scum role which is wanting to use night actions out there.
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Corrik posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I was pretty sure Puns was scum but I'm no longer convinced after the lack of action

On what night did he go nowhere?

Three.
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I was pretty sure Puns was scum but I'm no longer convinced after the lack of action
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Also that should likely mean Neab and Han can't be scum together
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There is no reason to not say what item Han got
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It's fine, I completed understand, I just got a little bit tilted
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Neablis posted...

Sheep007 posted...

True, but I feel it's very, very, very unlikely. That's why I was on about scum team potentially being very powerful after he claimed.

It has to be true though! Or else one of myself and dyl is scum 100%

I think Ninja and godfather both existing is very likely. What I mean is that it doesn't mean a cop has to exist.

Godfather is vanilla in your proposed scenario.

True. I've seen it before, albeit rarely. That was the main thing that made me pause.
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Neablis posted...

Sheep007 posted...

True, but I feel it's very, very, very unlikely. That's why I was on about scum team potentially being very powerful after he claimed.

It has to be true though! Or else one of myself and dyl is scum 100%

I think Ninja and godfather both existing is very likely. What I mean is that it doesn't mean a cop has to exist.
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Might as well have fucking claimed vanilla and just gotten a few more scans off.
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