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Honestly the movie feels like a first draft script in the worst ways possible.

No man should ever be able to be held legally accountable for being involved with another man's wife. Ever, full stop.

CM_Ponch posted...

No it didn't. Last Jedi cohesive story was a twist every five minutes just to subvert it with another twist.

It still had cohesive themes and emotion behind it. Things were still hinted at, built up to, and given resolution, even when it was unsatisfying.

Compare that to the scene people liked in the trailer, Rey facing off against a TIE fighter and jumping over it. It's a really cool moment visually, but it falls apart instantly. Moments before, we saw Kylo with his Knights of Ren on a plateau, and then suddenly he's in a fighter flying straight at Rey. Not threatening even, he literally just flys at and over(rather under) her. Nothing explains why he isn't in his own ship. Nothing explains what he's trying to do. Nothing explains why the knights aren't with him. All of this would've been fine if that scene before didn't exist, but it does. All of this would've been fine if there was something explaining what was happening afterwards, but they just jump into the next action sequence which ends with the first emotional weight felt in the entire movie. But then it jumps to another scene that IMMEDIATELY removes that emotional weight by saying "oh no we were wrong" with no explanation or logic. Then the heroes move along with their quest with no closure to that encounter with Kylo - not unsatisfying closure, they literally never say how they get away from him.

CM_Ponch posted...

Lmao no

Lmao yes. For all its problems, Last Jedi has a cohesive vision that told a cohesive story, even if it wasn't the one we wanted, or even good at points. Rise of Skywalker, on the other hand, was a fast paced twisty movie with all the satisfaction of a wikipedia summary. It legitimately feels like everything was made up on the spot, and they never address any number of things that just flat out don't work, while both making problems and solutions with plot contrivances that are either never mentioned before or after, or are so bafflingly out of character that they feel like a parody.

Bump

I'm still salty.

Absolutely godawful.

Hoe posted...

@LostForest thanks for that. Going by that only, it doesnt seem as bad as people are making it out to be

The problem is literally everything is pulled out of nowhere. Like, Luke had a longstanding quest to find the sith world nobody knew about. 3P0 knows the location of the sith world but his programming won't let him tell so they have to ion a quest. Force healing comes out if nowhere and is never really explained. Everything moves at such a huge pace that the twists are never set up or allowed to grow as a mystery before an ass pull solution is given.

Zikten posted...

I enjoyed it. I still say the sequel trilogy is better than the prequels.

It could've been. Like the prequels it has a good story but the people behind it lack the skill to tell it properly.

__aCEr__ posted...

I bet he's reading all these comments as he drives home.

Walking actually

Pepys Monster posted...

I saw it with my girlfriend at the drive in. We had a good time. Was it the greatest movie ever made? No, but it was better than The Last Jedi.

Last Jedi is infinitely better, flaws and all.

You know those threads where posters tell a story one sentence at a time? It feels like that. Literally everything, both problem and solution, comes from a forced plot contrivance that's never mentioned before or after. There is no fucking logic to the entire movie.

Cowthief posted...

Theatre texter

As has been told, I'm not

I left.

BakonBitz posted...

I don't care how shitty a movie may be, you don't ever be *that guy* who has his phone out during a movie.

I'm well out of sight of people watching. I'm not being that guy, I promise.

Hairistotle posted...

Just leave. If you're not enjoying it no point in wasting more of your time

Yeah I'm basing it in what happens to c-3p0 next time I see him. That's the deciding factor lol

Cowthief posted...

Tagged appropriately

As?

Smashingpmkns posted...

Why are you posting in a movie theater smh

I stepped out. I'm watching from the door around a corner from vision of seats right now.

Should I leave CE?

Like, I came in with low expectations but this is such a massive waste of potential, even compared to the last two. Even compared to the prequel Trilogy.

Mega_Greninja posted...

Religion is the problem. People aren't bigoted on their own.

This is so massively wrong I feel like you must be trolling at least a little.

How did he win against the man? Someone post details?

Opinion time: would you be upset if religion wasn't the source behind Carrie's mom's evil? Like, she still has the same abhorrent behavior, she's still manipulative and abusive and psychologically scarring, but they didn't try to do another evil religious woman? Or would that be too much change?

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Its Duncan.

I can't keep track of who to take seriously anymore and I'm trying to be less of a dick so I'm treating them all as decent unless I know better lol

pegusus123456 posted...

I think it would completely change the character of the mother.

It would, but they could still tell the story. A cruel overbearing mother, who she has the same attachment too but in school starts realizing how she actually feels and accepting it, but hiding it from her mom out of fear.

pegusus123456 posted...

Except that wouldn't make sense.

It could work, but it would require more than a straight replacement. It would completely change the mother daughter dynamic.

Izrael posted...

Yeah, but something tells me it will be "Carrie but she's trans".

Probably. I tend to be more optimistic with coming movies than most.

Izrael posted...

Doesn't the Trans part directly clash with the extremely religious mother aspect? Hell, her mother went nuts and slapped the shit out of her after she experienced her first period. Imagine what she would do to an LGBT person.

Unless they don't plan on including the her being Trans as part of the story. But I agree, stop it with the remakes already.

As long as it isn't just "Carrie but she's trans" I'm fine with it. It adds a lot to the story, but only if you treat it respectfully, and it can basically make it a different story, or at least different enough to justify a remake.

Duncanwii posted...

No. Shes a 16(?) year old girl. At that age you know better. I say the town should have throw the book at her ifshe hadnt killed herself.

Read the book.

TC, only a cumslut would post this topic.

:P

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Stop.

Youre not not the only Stephen King fan here, especially if we are discussing his earlier books. I have read Carrie. It was short and simple, and I liked it a lot, almost as much as Misery. Sometimesthose end up much better than many of his longer stories that meander in various directions. Regardless, what I said wasnt false. When Joker came out, a lot of people were saying it glorified and excused incels. I dont think it did, but clearly there was a bit of a vicarious revenge theme going on, considering his mental state and the torment he was subjected to. Carrie is similar, if you were to throw in religion and super powers.

Saying Carrie just has anger management issues is completely disregarding the circumstances that made her that way. It was not a personality flaw, it was a life flaw she had no control over.

Carrie isn't justified but neither is she evil. She isn't going out of her way to torment people when the rampage starts, she's basically a force of nature. Comparing her to Joker just doesn't work because she isn't planning to torment anyone, she's just going completely on instinct at the end.

OrdonGoatCheese posted...

Don't mind me, I'm probably still a little sore over the Dark Tower film. Have yet to see Doctor Sleep.

Same :(

Esrac posted...

If a bullied student comes to school one day and shoots his bullies, is he not a monster? Is he not a villain if he shoots indiscriminately? That's the kind if logic you're using. You're suggesting its justifiable to murder people who treat you badly.

No, I'm really not. But there's a major difference between justified and totally understandable. Carrie was not just bullied, she was tortured and brutalized day and night the bullying is honestly nothing compared to her home life. The point of Carrie is that her whole life was so incredibly awful thay it would make anyone snap. Carrie isn't the villain because literally anyone could go thay way in those circumstances.

OrdonGoatCheese posted...

Oh, goodie. Another Stephen King film.

More king is a great thing, though if like more of his new stuff done. Doctor Sleep was a good start.

It's proven not to.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Carrie becomes far worse than the Joker, if we are comparing his movie version. She murders most of the students who showed up at the prom, partly by even eliminating the towns ability to fight the fire she created. Her victims werent all her bullies either.

Carrie is a female incel with super powers and an out of control anger-management problem.

Sounds like you haven't read the book.

Detailed is the word. Not Nitpicky.

Duncanwii posted...

Anyone who murders people is a villain. Period. That's why Batman doesnt kill. He doesnt want to become the villain of his own story.

That's an incredibly black and white viewpoint. The only reason Carrie is a monster is she hurt people trying to help her. If she'd just killed the bullies and her mother, she absolutely wouldn't be a villain.

(also batman has totally killed)

Esrac posted...

All that means is Carrie becomes a villain because of how other people treated her.

Becomes a monster yes, villain no.

GiftedACIII posted...

Tragic monsters are still villains (maybe anti-villain) like Macbeth, Hamlet, King Kong etc.

King Kong isn't really the villain. Carries mom is the main villain of Carrie, and the point of the story is a life so tragic and torturous that it would turn anyone bad.

viewmaster_pi posted...

Yeah, I think at first it's like, haha yeah, take that bullies, but she quickly becomes a supervillain, lol

I feel like people that say this never actually read the book. She's pretty tormented, and not just by bullies

Eat More Beef posted...

She is at the end of the book. She just goes around hosing the entire town because, fuck it.

She isn't though. She's portrayed as a tragedy. Through her rampage she's still shown as a victim whose mental condition is destroyed by her mother and bullying

viewmaster_pi posted...

So you're telling me they'd want to depict a trans girl losing her shit and murdering the people that bullied her, assuming being trans is added to the story as a reason to bully her? Somehow I just don't think that's the greatest light to put Carrie under, consider the general attitude towards trans people as it is.

Carrie isn't typically portrayed as a villain

Could be interesting, could be awful. I'll wait and see. Not bothered by a remake because it's a clear vision of what they want to change.

Still can't forgive that the asshole author is why we won't have Witcher 4.

State of the Sanderson is out. Cosmere is becoming the major focus and is 35 books. He's projecting it to take another 30 years to finish x.x

hockeybub89 posted...

I feel like that depends on the company. Some places see that as a potential scam.

It's also illegal in some states.

Leanaunfurled posted...

It was up really briefly but removed because it was posted by mistake and unfinished lol

ROFL whoops

Brandonsanderson.com is down from people checking for State of the Sanderson...

I need to play this again. Only game I've bought on the EGS, and so worth it.

Ethosian posted...

What's Senlin?

Senlin Ascends, an absolutely bizarre series that has managed to be incredibly unique and powerful.

DarthAragorn posted...

Asoiaf and gentlemen bastards have turned me off of starting unfinished series tbh

100% fair. I'd call Stormlight the exception just because Sanderson is so damn consistent and open with his fans.