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TopicIs Twitter the arbiter of truth?
Frolex
11/06/20 5:54:14 AM
#3
Evening_Dragon posted...
isn't it too early for a melty in your neck of the woods?

That's his secret; he's always melting down

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TopicJoe Biden has taken lead in Georgia
Frolex
11/06/20 4:35:13 AM
#20
lmao trump gonna wake up mad again

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TopicWomen praying outside of Clark County election department
Frolex
11/05/20 11:35:27 PM
#7
Do they think god is gonna change the ballots?

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Topicobama was a snack back in 08
Frolex
11/05/20 9:34:21 PM
#5
TopicTrump:Tells his followers to not use mail-in ballots
Frolex
11/05/20 7:54:47 PM
#1
Biden:Wins the overwhelming majority of mail-in ballots

Trump:


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TopicWe have a POLICE CHASE!
Frolex
11/05/20 7:45:49 PM
#36
TopicCEs_EFG is SUSPENDED!
Frolex
11/05/20 10:57:32 AM
#6
fucker couldn't stop posting fake news about the election. bet now he's hoping people forget about his bet by the time he comes off of purg

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TopicCelebrities phoning it in for video games?
Frolex
11/05/20 10:42:12 AM
#8
TopicTrump: "STOP THE COUNT!"
Frolex
11/05/20 10:27:41 AM
#23
CEs_EFG posted...
CEmen pretending that "we just found a box of ballots all for biden" is normal. Pathetic hivemind this is.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan-votes/

pathetic hivemind indeed

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TopicWe have a POLICE CHASE!
Frolex
11/05/20 1:16:33 AM
#23
SandTarpit posted...
that truck is atleast $80,000 easy. wow

pretty sure it was a VelociRaptor which makes it more than 4x that much

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TopicWhat on Earth could have happened...
Frolex
11/04/20 11:23:32 PM
#8
That game is unironically a banger

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TopicCNN has finally projected the winner
Frolex
11/04/20 10:54:29 PM
#12
TopicJoe Rogan? More like Joe Rogaine
Frolex
11/04/20 10:49:17 PM
#6
Poop2 posted...
do you think he has one nasty beanie or a closet full of replacements?

both are equally cartoon character like behaviors so it's a toss-up which it is

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TopicJoe Rogan? More like Joe Rogaine
Frolex
11/04/20 10:44:14 PM
#3
Hey at least Rogaine had the balls to give up the ghost and embrace his baldness, unlike his buddy Tim Pool who is literally incapable of taking off that grody ass beanie covering his bald ass head as if everyone doesn't realize what he's doing

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TopicWhy is US Voter turnout always garbage? Australia has the right idea with Compul
Frolex
11/04/20 10:38:12 PM
#8
I would support compulsory voting in the US if it weren't for the fact that one party was entirely devoted to voter suppression.

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TopicWill this election be decided in the courts?
Frolex
11/04/20 10:15:36 PM
#8
If Biden ends up winning PA, i doubt the courts will hear the case against him (though not for lack of Trump's trying). If not and he ends up with exactly 270, then there's a chance it does go to the courts, especially on the off chance a faithless elector comes into play

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TopicRight wing loons are now praying for a Trump election victory
Frolex
11/04/20 10:06:21 PM
#6
Solar_Crimson posted...
Would be hilarious if Biden ends up winning.

you say "ends up" winning as if it's not already a certainty at this point


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TopicTIL Red Robin used to have arcades
Frolex
11/04/20 10:04:38 PM
#2
I never saw or heard of a red robin with an arcade. I've seen a couple with one or two cabinets, but that doesn't count as having an "arcade" any more than a bar having a pinball or pac-man machine or something

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TopicLiberal California voted against affirmative action despite summer of activism
Frolex
11/04/20 9:47:07 PM
#12
kirbyakaZ posted...

This is what I got in the mail.
The entire thing is really confusing.

At least the "Cops Voter Guide" is honest enough to put "No for racial equality" as top priority

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TopicThe Lincoln Project was a failure
Frolex
11/04/20 7:17:02 PM
#26
not a surprise, Never Trump republicans have always been in the same space as Bernie or Busters: completely irrelevant

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TopicAsk any racer, any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile
Frolex
11/04/20 11:29:00 AM
#2
More than you can afford pal, Ferrari

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TopicThe "If my candidate loses ill close my account" General:
Frolex
11/04/20 11:11:43 AM
#112
CEs_EFG posted...
what a weak individual lmaoo

true, getting ready to welch this early is pretty weak

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TopicThe "If my candidate loses ill close my account" General:
Frolex
11/04/20 11:07:20 AM
#110
"bet you won't take me up on a bet i'm currently already weaseling out of ;)"

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TopicThe "If my candidate loses ill close my account" General:
Frolex
11/04/20 11:02:57 AM
#108
CEs_EFG posted...

also that voter fraud

lmao, the welch begins

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TopicCan i still vote today?
Frolex
11/04/20 10:31:09 AM
#10
TopicNo legitimate path for Biden in Michigan
Frolex
11/04/20 9:55:21 AM
#3
TopicCan Biden actually get Pennsylvania?
Frolex
11/04/20 9:45:54 AM
#5
TopicPost songs that symbolize this election
Frolex
11/04/20 9:43:06 AM
#2
TopicOh snap Michigan flipped
Frolex
11/04/20 9:15:17 AM
#13
Wagger_25 posted...
If things stay as they are does Biden win?

yup. unless MI and WI flip back (highly unlikely) nothing trump wins matters

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TopicIf the pandemic never happened, would this be a landslide win for Trump?
Frolex
11/04/20 9:13:51 AM
#22
probably, and that's depressing

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 5:13:25 PM
#172
the0rebirth posted...
No one can provide a clear-cut logical answer as to why someone who's uninformed/under-educated on politics should still feel compelled to vote. Then again, it's hard to refute such a reasonable position.

it's not about whether an individual should feel compelled to vote, it's about democracy requiring the representation of the people they govern over to function as a democracy.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 4:49:45 PM
#167
joe40001 posted...
Wow, Frolex is a pretty big lost cause in this topic and it looks like Tyranthraxus might be looking to join.

To put the statement simply:
Democracy is about representing the will of the people. If you have no interest in the election and are knowingly completely 100% ignorant, your vote cannot represent your will because you have no sense which vote supports policies you would prefer.

It's the same way the number that shows up when I roll a dice does not represent my will. If somebody is completely ignorant, they cannot make an informed choice, and if they cannot make an informed choice then they cannot make a vote that in any way "represents" them. And so, while they still have the right to vote, there is no need to encourage them to vote if they aren't planning on it. Since their vote is at best random, and at worst hijacked by the most convincing bad actors.

The democratic process doesn't decide who's vote is more informed or who was convinced by bad actors. You think people are underinfomed? great, now you have all the more incentive to sway them to your side. if you want to bring about political change by selecting who gets out to the polls, you don't want democracy. end of.

the0rebirth posted...
You're so consistently good at saying a whole lotta nothing.


it's more a lack of comprehension on your part

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 4:41:05 PM
#162
the0rebirth posted...
I see. Voting is so serious that you should do it even if you don't take it seriously. Man, the power level of that logic made my scouter break.

An informed voter base and universal participation in democracy are neither mutually exclusive or inclusive. you only want one of these things and can't accept that other people might not only want one. we already know it's too much for you to understand, you don't need to tell us.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 4:11:15 PM
#151
the0rebirth posted...
It's a direct parallel of what you previously posted, meant to highlight the absurdity of your logic.

Your belief that religion is a parallel to democracy at least helps explain your support for a return to literacy tests for voting.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 4:02:29 PM
#148
the0rebirth posted...
"You should pray."
"I'm not religious."
"You should pray anyway."

I'm sure this was a grade a gotcha in your head

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 3:14:10 PM
#146
the0rebirth posted...
Let's say there's a guy named Bob. Bob is black.
Election time rolls around, but Bob decides not to vote because he feels he doesn't know enough about the candidates to make an educated decision. His peers shun him for this, saying that he should vote no matter what and that it's extremely irresponsible not to. Not wanting to feel like a piece of shit, Bob decides to vote after all. One of the candidates is a man named Phil; Bob votes for him randomly. Good job, Bob; you participated in the electoral process! The votes are counted, and whaddya know -- Phil wins! But see, there's just one problem: Phil is a blatant fucking racist...especially towards blacks.
Had Bob been informed, he would have known better than to vote for a monster like Phil...but because Bob felt compelled to vote no matter what, he ended up supporting someone who, ironically, now serves against his best interests.

Now, would you say that Bob experienced "representation" simply because he voted? If not, then what should Bob do next time?

A) make another uninformed vote
B) not vote at all (as originally intended), or
C) become well-informed about the candidates before voting for anyone

Which of these would you most encourage, and which would you least encourage?

we should always encourage people to be better informed. everyone should still vote.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 2:30:22 PM
#142
I think democracy makes sense, personally

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 2:25:35 PM
#139
the0rebirth posted...
No, it doesn't. That's just how you've been CHOOSING to view my argument.
I've been very consistent. If you blindly tell people to vote without encouraging them to be informed first, and/or tell them to vote IN SPITE of not being uninformed, then that's a bad move that should be discouraged IMO. That's the practice I take contention with. It is NOT good to tell people to vote just for the sake of voting. It IS good to tell people to vote based on an informed opinion of the candidates at hand. Voting just to vote = not good. Voting because you actually know what's going on = good.

great. nothing stops people who advocate for universal voter participation from also advocating for a better educated public. everyone should still vote.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 2:15:41 PM
#135
the0rebirth posted...
This skit works because the questions are actually complex and nuanced. The one I'm asking you isn't.

It is, since your position is predicated on the assumption that advocating universal representation necessarily encourages ignorance.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 2:11:29 PM
#132
the0rebirth posted...
I love that you're answering yes-or-no questions like a politician with something to hide.
Is voting from a place of ignorance bad, and therefore something that should be discouraged?
Literally just say yes or no. I dare you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z-a5hy7QO8

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 2:07:09 PM
#130
the0rebirth posted...
I'm going to ask you again: do you agree or disagree that voting from a place of ignorance is bad, and shouldn't be encouraged? Yes or no.

ignorance is bad. encouraging universal voter participation is not encouraging ignorance

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 2:02:02 PM
#127
the0rebirth posted...


Now you're just garbling words together without making sense. I asked you a very simple question: what is your counterargument to the notion that it's bad to vote from a place of ignorance, and should therefore be discouraged? Do you have an actual reason? Black & white terms only, please.

I never said it was bad not to value democracy. you're the only one assigning moral value to it here.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 1:58:43 PM
#125
the0rebirth posted...


You're back to framing this as if it's a legal matter, when it's clearly a philosophical one.

Voting from a place of ignorance is bad, and therefore, I don't think people should do it. What's your counterargument?

think ignorance is bad does not inherently preclude you from valuing representation in democracy. in your case it does, for people who want representation of all voices it doesn't. not complicated.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 1:50:10 PM
#119
the0rebirth posted...
Point out the post where I said it has to be to my standards.

who should set the standard in a democracy?

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 1:48:21 PM
#116
the0rebirth posted...
And again, a person isn't being represented if their votes aren't based on how they'd like to be represented. I like how you've consistently ignored this point.

being informed adequate to your standard is not a requirement of representation

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 1:44:47 PM
#114
the0rebirth posted...
So are you saying that if I disagree with anything that isn't illegal, I don't value democracy?

if you don't inherently value representation, you don't value democracy.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 1:43:06 PM
#112
the0rebirth posted...


And for at least the third time, no one is proposing that it be law for only the "adequately educated" to vote. It's still okay to HAVE THE OPINION that people shouldn't vote unless they're informed. It's PERFECTLY REASONABLE to feel that way.

correct, no one here has said you have to value democracy

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 1:35:48 PM
#110
the0rebirth posted...


You're the only one here using the term "right". Notice that everyone else is saying "informed/educated", which are perfectly reasonable expectations for anyone who decides to vote.

doesn't matter how reasonable they are. democracy doesn't mean representation only for the educated

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TopicIf I moved from county A to county B, but didn't update my license, can I vote..
Frolex
11/03/20 1:33:36 PM
#5
as long as you updated your voter registration, you should be fine.

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TopicI don't agree with the people who say "Everybody should vote"...
Frolex
11/03/20 1:29:43 PM
#106
the0rebirth posted...
If a person is only voting because they feel compelled to by society, yet don't actually know what they're voting for, then they're not being represented.

representation doesn't determine who is voting for the "right" reasons

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