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cjsdowg posted...

It does and it sucks

Oh, then also coleslaw

Baked Beans
Ketchup
Chocolate Cake - I can do other forms of chocolate but the breast versions are not for me.

If you announce the crime then it doesnt count. For the same reason he can in fact shoot a person on 5th Avenue

Its cause if a dislike of zero. 12:32 should be 0:32.

andri_g posted...

You said the space battle scenes seem the same. My explanation was why they might seem that way.

You're the one the first brought up that particular space battle as a difference. It's got the same motivation, the same set up, the same result, what about it do you view as vastly different beyond it's longer and has more action?

It's the corner that Abrams used TFA to paint TLJ into. Johnson had to figure a way for TLJ to get out, and he did.

Yep! That's why I view TFA as the original sin of the sequel trilogy.

It was her connection to Vader that made many keep their distance, even when Leia told of the growing threat posed by the First Order. IIRC, the Resistance was former members of the Rebel Alliance who were willing to join.

That explains why Leia is in just a small group in TFA not TLJ. After the UN/New Republic has been decapitated, why is the rest of the world/galaxy just surrendering to North Korea/First Order when they don't have their super weapon any more? Flocking to Leia or outright declaring independence seems for fitting for that set up.

The books led Luke to discover the history of the Jedi, the nature of the Force, and the relation of the Jedi to the Force. Luke's time with Obi-Wan and Yoda was essentials only; they didn't have time to give him history lessons. Yoda told Luke that knowledge needed to be passed on [to Rey], even if Luke didn't like the idea of it being done without the guidance Luke believed was needed but not available [due to him not being willing to do that guiding].

If it's not apparent from the movie why the Jedi texts are important then they are not important to the movie. The author of the book can get credit for creatively using the set up from the TLJ.

First 10 seconds of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLqkJnCRhXM

andri_g posted...

Space battles tend to be similar. The moments that make them stand out are not when the units fight against each other as groups; it's when one member of a unit makes a critical strike or sacrifice that allows their side to "turn the tide" of the fighting in their favor..

Luke used those old books as an excuse to "try to get everything right, someday" instead of trying to get the one thing right that everyone not FO needed "today."

"Time, it is... hmm, for you to look past a pile of old books, hmm?" - Yoda [ "Much of a reader, I never was..." ]

You seem to be dialing into the scene level differences but the overarching plot is the same. Regardless of the specifics of different space battles, in both ESB and TLJ there's a tiny rebel trying to escape the thumb of the Empire after they discovered their possibly only base. Whether or not the advancing Empire ship is disabled or destroyed or evaded is semantics. It's the same scenario with different scene execution. Looking back at the plot, why is TLJ even in that situation? In TFA I was given the impression the First Order - New Republic relations was like the North Korea and the UN. First Order developed their weapon in secret, New Republic never took them serious, and thus the First Order was able to deal a decapitating blow to the New Republic. But if New Republic territory was vastly greater than First Order territory then they should have other fleets scattered about even if their largest was destroyed. Leia, as a Senator in the Empire, as a founder of the New Republic, as a leader of the new resistance, should have lots of connections and be able to pool a lot of systems to her side. Absent of that, I'd imagine most systems would just declare independence and we'd shift to a city-state (planet-state) dynamic where everyone is tired of galactic governments, but that's not the set up we got. Either of those options would be a new dynamic, but instead we got the First Order controls everything just like in ESB.

Step back from the books and look at their role in the story. If Luke used the books to learn new knowledge that changed the nature of the Jedi vs Sith fight like learning about the witches in Ashoka, that'd be something new. If Luke used the books to change his training style and he had a new secret school where Snoke couldn't corrupt students before they were ready, those fresh recruits would create a very new dynamic. But instead of doing anything useful, the books are a secondary reason for him to stay on top of his Ben drama PTSD.

andri_g posted...

Except Palpatine's royal guards never fought in the duel against Luke in either fight. "Alone" is not a team effort.

Yeah, the original trilogy has less fast paced action scenes. This fight is different because there are more bad guys. The action is more fun to watch but it's not notable in terms of plot which is what I was talking about.

A squadron attacking a Death Star is not a fleet escaping a raid. Those are two completely different things.

It's been awhile since I saw it and I confused scenes. I read ship destroyed and my mind jumped to the admiral ramming her ship into the other ship which immediately reminded me of the super star destroyer being destroyed by a ship ramming into it. That was a similarity I hadn't thought of before but I swear the longer you compare the trilogies the more repeated scenes you find.

You're talking about the beginning scene where you think a squadron destroying a dreadnought so transport ships can escape the planet is totally different from an ion cannon in ESB disabling a star destroyer so transport ships can escape... I mean Johnson's version is more action, but from a plot perspective it's the same thing.

Remove Luke's vision of Cloud City from TESB, too. Luke doesn't leave Dagobah, but nothing changes, right?

I might be misunderstanding you again. I thought you were specifically focusing in on the destroying of the ancient Jedi texts, and I don't think that's important for 2 reasons. First they don't seem useful. Star Wars is a universe not with ancient mystic knowledge but a progression of knowledge. Over the Saga the Jedi Knights learn to become force ghosts. The Sith Lords are stated to have each one more powerful than the previous as they keep accumulating more knowledge in addition to what was passed down from their mentor. They appear to learn about the Force the same way the real world learns about math/science, standing on the shoulders of giants. Therefore modern teaching texts are vastly superior to ancient ones because the ancient ones lack all the breakthroughs made since then. Second, from a story telling perspective, the texts did literally nothing between us learning they existed and their destruction. The contributed nothing to the story.

Now if you're talking about the texts as a plot device keeping Luke anchored to inaction, yeah that's a big similarity with ESB that I already mentioned. Reclusive jedi master doesn't want to get involved, but a force ghost convinces them to act.

I liked it

Kindergarten Coping

The sequel to Kindergarten Cop as we watch the students deal with repressed memories from the first movie.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

You can say that again

I slowly took a minute to understand and then I laughed so hard.

they kill the whales.

Does he envision the blades underwater? The whales jumping that high out of the water? Does he think any structure with a column in the water (bridge, off short oil rig, etc) kill whales? I have so many follow up questions that he's definitely never thought about as he just word vomits whatever excuse comes to him first.

andri_g posted...

Remember in TESB when Vader said, "This creepy dude is using me," killed Palpatine, and teamed-up with Luke?

It's a mashup of the TESB & ROTJ lightsaber fights. In one Vader asks Luke to join him in overthrowing the emperor. In the other he actually overthrows the emperor but with better intentions.

Or when Yoda was pulling Luke's chain (no horny) and burnt down his own hut when Luke tried to go back inside?

Remove that scene and what changes?

And who can forget rebels destroying an Imperial raid dreadnought in orbit so their transports could escape? lol ;P

Literally a faster paced better graphics version of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj9mzKe6EoE

I once had a real surreal convo over this with a conservative friend of a friend. He was going on bout how we shouldnt help the poor cause he got out of poverty through hard work and so can they. While trying to persuade him that there was a luck component and I mentioned that life wasnt fair.

He goes did you just learn life isnt fair and then I ended the convo with no Im trying to explain that to you. It would be incredibly fair if hard work was all thats needed to escape poverty.

Looking back, I view life is not fair as why some people need and deserve extra help. I think he and a lot of people view life not fair as a justification for why he shouldnt care about the less fortunate. Life being unfair is a justification for him to be unfair.

andri_g posted...

IIRC, that was from Dark Empire (EU).

lol of course. So he had zero new ideas. The lightsaber battle is a mix up of Empire and Return fights. The casino planet is his version of Cloud City. The Knights of Ren dont appear cause they have no original trilogy counterpart.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

But you're forgetting the actual conflict.

This was the first Star Wars movie about the spaceship running out of gas.

I was limiting myself to the Luke parts, but that's just

"What if we redid Empire we did the escape to hyperspace before the land battle."
"How do they battle if they already escaped?"
"They're out of gas!"

Unfortunately the mountain exploded as soon as we completed it.

andri_g posted...

Mark Hamill said he wanted to play a good-versus-evil Luke in TLJ because his [irl] son told him that is what happened to Luke in the EU, which Hamill said he doesn't follow. He told Johnson this, asking if TLJ would have anything like it. Johnson told Hamill TLJ would only be using old [established] SW themes with new story ideas.

Johnson said TLJ used new story ideas? The reclusive jedi master did not want to train a new apprentice, citing a fear that they'll turn to the dark side. The jedi master relents and gives a couple of lessons that are cut short when the apprentice receives information through the force that their friends are in danger. The force ghost that appeared to the master and to say their gut reaction was wrong. It's not old themes with new story ideas when you're directly copying the majority of another film with a few resequencing.

Luke used a new never before seen power but that's enough to count as a new story idea. The idea that force sensitivity could come from anywhere is a new story idea but he just suggested it; he didn't do anything with it.

conduit posted...

Israeli settlers have assaulted, tortured, and committed sexual violence against Palestinians, stolen their belongings and livestock, threatened to kill them if they did not leave permanently, and destroyed their homes and schools under the cover of the ongoing hostilities in Gaza.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/17/west-bank-israel-responsible-rising-settler-violence

JFC. How is this not the same fucking thing as October 7th? Only the Palestinians in the West Bank apparently don't have a right to defend themselves.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Oh I absolutely agree on this aspect. Our system is f***ed. I speaking more in the academic sense here. No one should be executed while there is even a slight question of innocence. Which is why it should be reserved for those like McVeigh, Dylan Roof, James Holmes, and their ilk.

The majority of innocent people executed were sent there by people that felt there was no doubt of their guilt.

Not long term

ForsakenHermit posted...

It's more pointing out the hypocrisy of those who think that 'rehabilitated' mass murders should be released and that no crime is too severe to require automatic life confinement all while claiming the death penalty is wrong because of human error.

That's not a good hypocrisy example. Actively killing an innocent person and not restraining a person who might kill an innocent person later are not the same.

The better example of hypocrisy would be those who are very concerned about repeat offenders but actively put up roadblocks towards stopping first time offenders. The FBI not being forced to regularly purge their background check records would help identify people amassing guns like the Vegas shooter. A registry would help the police track gun traffickers. Better gun storage would've stop a lot of teen mass shooters. Confiscation of guns when a person commits domestic abuse has repeatedly state after state dropped the homicide rate yet half the states don't bother doing that.

Tenaku posted...

The Skywalker saga will never heal from TLJ

Its clearly the Palpatine saga. That family is the driving force behind everything.

Good but wish Burr also called him out for equating Palestinian citizens with Hamas.

How was it cooked?

love_pirate posted...

Yes you do, you can choose to vote for neither. Voting for Neither tells the RNC and DNC that if they choose low quality candidates that don't actually represent you, they won't get your vote. The "other guy is way scarier" brain washing crap is why we keep having general elections with horrible candidates. They don't need to provide good candidates when all they have to do it make you really scared of the other guy.

Win over an abstaining voter and it's 1 gained vote, but win over an opponent's voter and it's a 2 vote swing. You think you're becoming this prize they'll compete before but instead you're voluntarily removing yourself so they can ignore you more easily. There's no penalty for winning with a low turnout.

7 - Through the Wormhole

DKBananaSlamma posted...

That topic is like 362 posts. I ain't reading all that lol

tl;dr? Was it cuz he made that topic?

Slow motion train wreck

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80767814/980371306

_____Cait posted...

Wait how did he out himself? What did i miss?

Oh man, it was a slow moving train wreck. Started simple enough, "hello my fellow left-leaning posters, I am very concerned about these totally recent allegations."

Naturally a lot of whataboutism. Comes out that TC also blames Biden for inaction on inflation, blames both sides for Congressional inaction and has a million excuses for Trump, but totally doesn't like Trump. Not securing nuclear secrets is the one thing he can never forgive.

One thing? Everyone jumps on that, what about rape, what about the insurrection. He condemns the actual insurrection but looks for every and any way to shift blame off of Trump. Hadn't heard of anything that came out in the Congressional hearings. Tried to blame the Governor of DC for not activating the national guard, which is a new one to me.

So to prove that he's totally a centrist (even those he's pro-life), he posts his results to an online ideology test. He got the target close to dead center, but he posted a screenshot of his answers which included him agreeing with blatantly racist statements. His justification for those answers being that he really wished he could've picked a neutral option, you know, cause he's a centrist.

Probably not what your looking for but Small World is a simplified fast version of Risk that uses fantasy races each with their own custom power.

JFC

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-former-white-house-aide-says-trump-knew-jan-6-protesters-had-weapons

Watch the January 6th hearings. Don't listen to meme retellings or what your favorite youtuber says, just watch, then come back here and explain your thoughts.

IdiotMachine posted...

I dont think Trump gives a shit about the lowly MAGAs enough to pardon them. And if true, that Trump wanted SS to stop screening for weapons, thats just wrong (of Trump).

He cares about building his brand and pardoning them helps that. It takes literally no effort on his part. He pardoned people via tweet. Why would he not?

Cassidy Hutchinson, an assistant to Trump's chief of staff, testified under oath that Trump told SS to stop screening for weapons because too much of the crowd was avoiding coming up close to him and avoiding the security checks. If I had that much evidence of someone that close to Biden doing something that extreme you would not still be qualifying it with "if true."

IdiotMachine posted...

I wanted to pick neutral, but that wasnt an option. Disagree makes me think its saying that my race has NEGATIVE qualities compared to other races, and thats not true either.

Disagreeing with being superior only means your race is inferior if you inherently believe the races can be ranked. If you believed all races were equal then disagreeing with being superior wouldn't have that implication.

IdiotMachine posted...

I also think Trump saying hes going to pardon them is bulls***, if true. If he does this, I would definitely switch from inaction to supporting the storming.

You think Trump won't pardon diehard supporters that he promised to pardon? Trump loves people that kiss his ass. These people went to jail for his cause. Of course he's going to fucking pardon them.

IdiotMachine posted...

I honestly think Trump didnt think it would have gone that far. Like who would have believed a bunch of MAGAs would actually charge the Capitol? That s*** was a bad day for the country. I do think hes responsible for the rhetoric, but not the actual action of the people that stormed the Capitol. I hope each and every single one of them get the book thrown at them.

His aide testified before Congress under oath that he wanted secret service to stop screening people for weapons at the Jan 6th rally because they obviously didn't bring the weapons to use against him.

IdiotMachine posted...

I never said he had brilliant leadership. In fact, Trump was an awful president and is an awful person. You far lefters are just putting words in my mouth and refusing to read the words Im typing out.

But you said his "go home you are loved" tweet hours after it started was him doing the opposite of inciting the attack. But when a general orders a retreat, no one claims that meant the general never wanted to win the attack in the first place. How is that tweet not viewed as a retreat? You now know he could have and didn't activate the national guard. You know he plans on pardoning them. What else do you need to be convinced that he supported that insurrection?

IdiotMachine posted...

That one wasnt about race to me. I took different sorts of people as economic and criminal backgrounds. And for clarity, yes, I do slightly agree that criminals should not be hanging out with lawful citizens.

So you're saying people released from jail shouldn't be able to fully integrate back into society? And also possibly implying that different economic backgrounds should stick to their own kind.

IdiotMachine posted...

I thought DC still had senators and representatives. I might be thinking of PR.

DC and PR both don't have senators and each have a single non-voting representative. Look you're distracting from the issue. His staff testified under oath that he just sat there watching TV doing nothing while it happened. The "go home I love you" tweet that you hold up as brilliant leadership came hours after it started. He had power to activate the national guard, he didn't. Turns out the commander-in-chief has a lot of powers beyond tweeting.

IdiotMachine posted...

idk how national guards work, but isnt that up to the governor and not the president?

The Governor of Washington DC?

https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

The Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army. The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President.

Notice that Pence isn't in that chain of command, but he was the one that acted hours after the insurrection started. He broke protocol to do it because no one else would.

IdiotMachine posted...

"Inciting an insurrection"- brah literally tweeted everyone to go home; that's the opposite of inciting. MAGAs are idiots tho.

Tweeting "go home we love you" hours after it started isn't the best way to reign it in. You'd think the commander in chief would have more tools at his disposal. Like why wasn't Trump the one to activate the national guard?

If only they had the balls for Darth Jar Jar in 9

bigblu89 posted...

People hearing that 200ish people walked out on Seinfelds speech will change zero minds.

They're controlling the narrative. There's definitely more conversation about the walkout and his support of Israel than about his speech. Coming into this topic I assumed it was about his anti-woke, there's no comedy anymore, complaints. I didn't know he said anything about the war and now I and many others do.

Heck, I wouldnt have even knew it had happened if I wasnt on CE.

The majority of protests don't even make it to CE so just having the news story being shared makes it more significant than many others.

bigblu89 posted...

Im not upset at all.

I didnt even look into this enough to see what school this was at.

You didn't read the topic title? That may be true as it's a long topic title, but it sounds like you're trying very hard to not reveal just how much you deeply care.

What I do know is that seeing this wouldnt change my opinion on anything that I currently believe in, even if I was the speaker they all walked out on.

Not everything is about you and no shit this isn't going to change Seinfeld's mind. You could have an hour heart to heart sitdown with Seinfeld and probably still not change his mind. They attended because it's their graduation and they walked about because they didn't want to listen to his shit, simple as that.

For people who don't care and think walking out of a speech accomplishes nothing, they sure are upset that the students didn't shut up and listen.

Heineken14 posted...

Gaslight
Obstruct
->Projection

My first thought

ROBANN_88 posted...

My favorite is that there is a Joe Rogan clip out there where he's bashing Biden for saying the airport stuff, like full on "he's mentally deficient, not fit for presidency" etc

Then someone chimes in and clarifies that Biden was quoting Trump, and play that clip.
Rogan goes "well, he just misspoke" and then move on to something else

I'd love it if it wasn't so infuriating. I was talking to a Both Sider on these boards, forgot which one, and asked about a similar incident, why is it a sign of mental decline when Biden misspeaks but not when Trump misspeaks, and the answer was because Trump is dumb so it's not a decline.

I kind of hate that it was Wolverine.

Gambit second