Board 8 > Chrono Cross Mafia Topic 4 - To get Hydra Humor or not?

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Votals
[2] Sheep - Oddity, Death
[1] IGCD- Nana
[1] red - Ulti
[1] Death - Terra
[0] Oddity - Nana
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VeryInsane posted...

Oh wait I think I figured it out

But man that's silly if true

But big if true.
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death is Town according to you right
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VeryInsane posted...

death is Town according to you right

Yes.

I'm guessing you see the same thing I do, and thus probably support my theory, otherwise it would have been too much to put together.
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htaeD posted...

well it is a curious response, IGCD
but I still want an answer myself

Well tell me exactly what "its not fake" does for anyone in that situation. If you didn't believe someones claim and they responded with that would you be swayed to believe them?
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okay its a minor quibble and I can see town react like that too

but its still slightly itches my 'scumwhining' nerves
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htaeD posted...

okay its a minor quibble and I can see town react like that too

but its still slightly itches my 'scumwhining' nerves

How does trying to figure out another players thought process scratch a whining nerve?

For most of the game Nana has been saying that he thinks I am town, now just based off of my claim alone he is ready to flip. I want to know what about my claim he doesn't like.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

okay its a minor quibble and I can see town react like that too

but its still slightly itches my 'scumwhining' nerves

How does trying to figure out another players thought process scratch a whining nerve?

For most of the game Nana has been saying that he thinks I am town, now just based off of my claim alone he is ready to flip. I want to know what about my claim he doesn't like.

I mean, I hate here how you're calling it a "claim" and not "your role" but that's probably quibbling at this point.

Interested to know what VI thinks.
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only in the sense that it could be seen as scum whining 'I didnt mess up my claim, why is he still suspecting me'

but again, I have the same curiosity, so I wont blame you for it
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Its funny because although IGCD's claim could have moved the earth, I think Sheep's will spread fire across the game

Consider it a hunch?
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VeryInsane posted...

Its funny because although IGCD's claim could have moved the earth, I think Sheep's will spread fire across the game

Consider it a hunch?

Couldn't tell you.

But if you agree with my theory, you're thinking we lynch IGCD regardless.
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well now you got my expectations upped, I hope you're happy
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Nanahara715 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Its funny because although IGCD's claim could have moved the earth, I think Sheep's will spread fire across the game

Consider it a hunch?

Couldn't tell you.

But if you agree with my theory, you're thinking we lynch IGCD regardless.

I never stated that I agreed with it! Just that I understand what you are arguing
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Nanahara715 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

okay its a minor quibble and I can see town react like that too

but its still slightly itches my 'scumwhining' nerves

How does trying to figure out another players thought process scratch a whining nerve?

For most of the game Nana has been saying that he thinks I am town, now just based off of my claim alone he is ready to flip. I want to know what about my claim he doesn't like.

I mean, I hate here how you're calling it a "claim" and not "your role" but that's probably quibbling at this point.

Interested to know what VI thinks.

But its my claim you seem to have a problem with, is it not? Or is it the role that I claim you have a problem with?
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Oddity posted...

Yay insomnia. Since I apparently can't let anything go without getting the last word in here goes:

Terra-enforcer posted...

Oddity posted...

I see you talking about scan tampering in vague terms back then. It was very short... and I did miss it. Sorry about that. But recently, you've been talking about Scare lying about his scan, which is why I went off the handle on that front. Do you really think he lied about there being some sort of scan and that he scanned me inno, and if so... why? Frankly, I just don't understand that. Survivor isn't invested in town winning, but he is invested in surviving. If he didn't get a scan why would he put himself out there for no reason?

I've literally explained this too, just like I said. Hell, I've answered this point at least two or three times now. Scare's no fool. He knew he was dead the moment he claimed indy.

You're seriously acting like a real novice right now. Literally the go-to mode of action if there are no better leads is to kill the indy. And that's assuming that the town doesn't decide to kill them instantly like what actually happened just yesterday. He didn't have much to lose and went for a gamble that fell flat. He saw the opportunity to pass for an asset to town and failed. That was one of my assumptions, and would you look at that, it seems as if that's almost certainly what he did. It's like it isn't illogical to believe something that actually happened or something like that.

Obviously true about the indy part. Except he didn't claim the independent part before the scan. You're right about him wanting to be an asset to town, which is why he claimed the scan. Then after he 'pegged' the two other scum he felt comfortable claiming the survivor part, because at that point town can afford to just mow scum down.

Anything else assumes that as survivor with no scan he decided to all of a sudden believe everything I said after my disastrous day 1. That's the stupidest gamble ever. A survivor wouldn't gamble his life away on my freaking scan if he didn't have some great reason to believe my scan. Your estimation of scare's intelligence is low.

As an aside, maybe just stick to calling my arguments stupid; I'm not a novice, I'm just having a poor game. Anyway, tired of arguing this point. Going to move on. Maybe I'll try to get some more sleep. >.<

I agree with Oddity here. I think Scare was pretty transparent and honest with everything he did. That's why I was content leaving him alive and going after scumspects instead
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IGCD, who do you think is Scum, and what do you think of me this game?
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benjamin3740 posted...

IGCD, who do you think is Scum, and what do you think of me this game?

Honestly I have no idea who scum could be right now.

You haven't done anything that stands out to me at all.

Now I haven't read anything from today yet so that could change.
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What do you think of

Sheep
Death
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VeryInsane posted...

What do you think of

Sheep
Death

Based on what I have read so far, I would be OK with a sheep lynch. He has been claiming "blah blah inactive, I know I am one, blah blah" its literally exactly how he was playing in Nana's RPG mafia and I'm pretty sure he was mafia in that.
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Oh and I have no qualms with death so far.
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Terra VS Oddity last night reads as Town VS town to me. Unless I'm way off on Scare's motives and Oddity's behavior and Terra ends up being right. Terra though had a specific point of view that didnt seem fake.
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Well we are at 10 right now and running low on scumspects
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With Sheep, the posts he DOES make are just so full of filler and BS. I've wanted him to claim since day 1
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I have a bunch of stuff I want to drop but need Sheep in here first.
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Honestly, at this point no one has claimed the PJ kill, and sheep is the only one missing.

Him claiming the kill is unlikely given Oddity's claim, though im certainly in favor of sussing that out if Sheep does want to claim the kill. Given this scenario is unlikely, that means the PJ kill is probably coming from scum.

Option 1) Scum shot teammate PJ. This means that Sheep is unlikely to be scum because either a) Oddity is town and saw Sheep not shooting PJ or b) Oddity is scum and that probably means Sheep isn't.

Option 2) Split is actually 3(2?)-1-1-1 and we have a second SK. Would explain the lack of BP on Sceptile. This seems super skewed against town. Money on Ulti for the second SK in this scenario. Doesn't clear Sheep or Oddity. Could explain presence of a bus driver and allegedly we have a Doctor in this situation (due to a single kill).
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Just because nobody claimed the kill doesn't mean they did nothing towards pj
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VeryInsane posted...

Just because nobody claimed the kill doesn't mean they did nothing towards pj

I don't understand.
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pj could have been taken down by a Town player who has posted thus far and they have more abilities so they ar hiding

I have a possible idea on what happened that is a decent hypothetical but I don't think it benefits town to share my thoughts
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Sheep hasn't shown up yet, has he?

It's nighttime in the U.K. So maybe he'll show up soon?
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its barely evening over there
when was he even online?
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Sheep007 posted...

Damn, this feels dead... I know I'm not really doing much to help that either but I honestly don't have much to say which hasn't been said already. I'm sure this will get someone going after me for being lazy but I think voting the claimed 3rd party is the best move right now. Get a potential Scum vote out of the way.

##Vote: Scare

This was him Day 2
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

IGCD, who do you think is Scum, and what do you think of me this game?

Honestly I have no idea who scum could be right now.

You left your vote on Ulti till EOD yesterday. So did something change since then?
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I've never seen IGCD like this with no opinions on the game.

Also what is the benefit to scum shooting it's own member? Like why would they even do it (Unless the shooter planned to claim Vig or something, that I understand as a decent strategy)
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I would apologise for doing fuck all in the day phases this game but I feel that ship has already sailed.

I'm Luccia, Jailer. I can lock someone up in my lab, protect them from attack but also stop them from leaving. Yup, visited VI last night, and Oddity the night before because no Scum in their right mind keeps the claimed watcher (or tracker or whatever the hell he's meant to be) alive N1 and I was fairly sure he was Town compared to a lot of other people who weren't. Had no faith in any doctor to keep him alive with the amount of suspicion on him. I was surprised there were so many kills yesterday because I was expecting someone to try and kill the watcher even with the chance of protection, which is why I was wondering where they were coming from (was looking for any sort of miniscule chance of a slip there, although I'll admit it was a shitty attempt). Protected VI because he's obviously Town and the Tracker is kind of useless if he doesn't get to do anything (plus I was hoping me potentially stopping a kill yesterday had discouraged anyone who tried last night from going for Oddity).

Anyways, this rambling (blah blah Ben blah blah fluff) has a point. I think there's another SK out there somewhere, which is why PJ died last night but no Town. I also think I probably saved VI from being killed, although there's obviously a chance he dealt out the Scum kill last night and I blocked it, although that's remote. I'm fairly sure there's an SK in the mix somewhere too.

Anyways, one more thing. I think someone said Red softclaimed Vig earlier today (I only skimmed so I may be wrong on some things)? Any quote on that? If there's another SK, the softclaimed Vig would probably be my first suspect.

Everyone who hasn't claimed yet needs to do so now, and if anyone could grab a claims list that would be great.
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Are people notified when they're jailed?
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VI was watched and no one else visited him, so I dont think you protected him from a kill, unless there is a Ninja
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benjamin3740 posted...

Are people notified when they're jailed?

I doubt they're informed specifically that they were jailed because Oddity didn't say anything about a jailer.
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benjamin3740 posted...

VI was watched and no one else visited him, so I dont think you protected him from a kill, unless there is a Ninja

Oddity claimed to have TRACKED SHEEP, not WATCHED ULTI
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Nanahara715 posted...

I have a bunch of stuff I want to drop but need Sheep in here first.

So...
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Sheep007 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Are people notified when they're jailed?

I doubt they're informed specifically that they were jailed because Oddity didn't say anything about a jailer.

Oddity did say he was roleblocked though.

VI, you?
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I can get on board with Sheep's claim. Any counters?
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Nanahara715 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

VI was watched and no one else visited him, so I dont think you protected him from a kill, unless there is a Ninja

Oddity claimed to have TRACKED SHEEP, not WATCHED ULTI

Ah. Dont know why i remembered that wrong. I'm still thinking of Oddity's claiming watcher. Never mind then!
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where did Ulti in that sentence come from?
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Nanahara715 posted...

I can get on board with Sheep's claim. Any counters?

now this might be my paranoia speaking, but there's still the janitor'd Corrik
but eh

##Unvote

it is a claimed Jailkeeper, the night will deal with that if he is what he says he is
Nana, what was the big theory?
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htaeD posted...

where did Ulti in that sentence come from?

Confused Ulti with VI.
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htaeD posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

I can get on board with Sheep's claim. Any counters?

now this might be my paranoia speaking, but there's still the janitor'd Corrik
but eh

##Unvote

it is a claimed Jailkeeper, the night will deal with that if he is what he says he is
Nana, what was the big theory?

Actually, this is fair because Corrik claimed Neofio, who was created by Luccia.
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though this still doesnt help explain why Oddity wasnt blocked
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htaeD posted...

though this still doesnt help explain why Oddity wasnt blocked

Mafia doesn't have a roleblocker?
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flavormeta hasnt helped us out so far though, and does Neofio fit a jailer role? (I forgot like half the cast from CC, and really who matters outside of ZOAH)

but yes keep that in mind

Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

where did Ulti in that sentence come from?

Confused Ulti with VI.

a Mafia sin if ever there was one
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