Board 8 > Chrono Cross Mafia Topic 5: To Fort Dragonia!!

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VeryInsane posted...

I would assume one of the jack powers is the janitor, btw.

That seems to be a standard one

Which is strange because Janitor is such a strong role in itself.

I mean, I agree, which is why it's never really seen use!

I think there was one game I used it, but I also attached it to the scum roleblocker as a 1 use ability (and they couldn't roleblock the same night)
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##Unvote
##Vote: IGCD

That Death train isn't going anywhere now sadly, and I don't feel comfortable voting Sheep or VI. I say we stick to one of the vanillas and settle this tomorrow.

@VeryInsane I'm still not clear of your ability. So you had a N0 and N1 shot? And nothing more than that? I'm not fully clear on what you are exactly aside from "thief." Did you even claim flavor?
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Terra-enforcer posted...

That Death train isn't going anywhere now sadly, and I don't feel comfortable voting Sheep or VI. I say we stick to one of the vanillas and settle this tomorrow.

Sheep basically came in and rolled over. Curious why you'd be uncomfortable voting him.
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Yeah, I claimed Kid when Ben was posting that he was Kid.

I am calling it a night
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And I'm back

And there's nothing "yay"
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I dont think anyone is strongly arguing against a sheep lynch anymore, so.. dull day
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Well IGCD and Terra are offering alternative lynches and Oddity voted me for half a page
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around for 18ish minutes.
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Votals
[3] Sheep - (Oddity), (Death), VI, Red, (Oddity), IGCD
[2] IGCD- Nana, Terra
[1] red - Ulti
[0] Death - (Terra)
[0] Oddity - Nana
[0] VI - (Oddity)

DAY ENDS ON TUESDAY THE 16TH AT 10PM EST.
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Ok, I feel better about a sheep lynch then.

Only concern is VI and his flavor scanning - having only scanned players who are dead/janitored/claimed before he made his claim, means his role is not technically verifiable yet.

I think if Sheep flips scum, that confirms the following as town:

Red, VI, Oddity, Ulti, and [X], where X is someone undetermined at this point. Would lean town on Ben, Death, and maybe Terra- leaves IGCD as scum.
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##Unvote

I dont like the sheep lynch at all.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Ok, I feel better about a sheep lynch then.

Only concern is VI and his flavor scanning - having only scanned players who are dead/janitored/claimed before he made his claim, means his role is not technically verifiable yet.

I think if Sheep flips scum, that confirms the following as town:

Red, VI, Oddity, Ulti, and [X], where X is someone undetermined at this point. Would lean town on Ben, Death, and maybe Terra- leaves IGCD as scum.

So now that your vanilla theory is basically blasted what is it that makes me scum?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Ok, I feel better about a sheep lynch then.

Only concern is VI and his flavor scanning - having only scanned players who are dead/janitored/claimed before he made his claim, means his role is not technically verifiable yet.

I think if Sheep flips scum, that confirms the following as town:

Red, VI, Oddity, Ulti, and [X], where X is someone undetermined at this point. Would lean town on Ben, Death, and maybe Terra- leaves IGCD as scum.

So now that your vanilla theory is basically blasted what is it that makes me scum?

Where am I saying you're scum in this post?
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Nanahara715 posted...

leaves IGCD as scum.

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Nanahara715 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Ok, I feel better about a sheep lynch then.

Only concern is VI and his flavor scanning - having only scanned players who are dead/janitored/claimed before he made his claim, means his role is not technically verifiable yet.

I think if Sheep flips scum, that confirms the following as town:

Red, VI, Oddity, Ulti, and [X], where X is someone undetermined at this point. Would lean town on Ben, Death, and maybe Terra- leaves IGCD as scum.

So now that your vanilla theory is basically blasted what is it that makes me scum?

Where am I saying you're scum in this post?

Bolded the part you say I am scum.
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I like how Sheep can do nothing and cause people to go "oh god he could be Town"
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@Oddity

I think I have convinced myself VI is a better lynch than sheep so if youre still down to push that I got you're back.

My reasoning is I dont like how easily town has accepted Ulti as miller even though we have had a miller flip. VI's targets are very convenient in helping push a lynch on a protection claim and clearing a miller claim.
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lmao

IGCD is the last scum easy game
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Also it isn't convenient so much as it is just smart

I'm sorry that I'm good at mafia
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No its very very convenient that you are the only player that has information regarding the janitored player and clears the player that should have been lynched after Zero flipped.

Question to the group: who were the people most accepting of the likelihood of two millers right from the get go and onward?
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VeryInsane posted...

lmao

IGCD is the last scum easy game

And who is scum if sheep flips town?
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I dunno

It makes so much sense that he's scum that I legit can't think of two players who aren't apart from him

Why would I be suiciding if he's Town
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VeryInsane posted...

I dunno

It makes so much sense that he's scum that I legit can't think of two players who aren't apart from him

Why would I be suiciding if he's Town

How are you suiciding? You admit yourself that you are good at mafia and everyone seems to believe you are more town leaning than scum. If he actually flips jailer, you can claimbyou were protected from the kill.
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And that flips really quickly if he's Town

But I don't think he is, and if he actually is I'm coming after those who are trying to avoid the lynch (You, Terra, Oddity, Ulti) first and foremost

Actually that would probably open the ballpark a ton. Still don't think so though!
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Hey IGCD remind me

Why did you not buy Oddity Day 1
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Ok, I feel better about a sheep lynch then.

Only concern is VI and his flavor scanning - having only scanned players who are dead/janitored/claimed before he made his claim, means his role is not technically verifiable yet.

I think if Sheep flips scum, that confirms the following as town:

Red, VI, Oddity, Ulti, and [X], where X is someone undetermined at this point. Would lean town on Ben, Death, and maybe Terra- leaves IGCD as scum.

So now that your vanilla theory is basically blasted what is it that makes me scum?

Where am I saying you're scum in this post?

Bolded the part you say I am scum.

The entire post presupposes that sheep is scum, so for you to take this as me calling you scum means that you are also presupposing that Sheep is scum, which is contrary to your immediately preceding action where you say you aren't comfortable with a Sheep lynch and unvoted him.
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VeryInsane posted...

And that flips really quickly if he's Town

But I don't think he is, and if he actually is I'm coming after those who are trying to avoid the lynch (You, Terra, Oddity, Ulti) first and foremost

Actually that would probably open the ballpark a ton. Still don't think so though!

So no matter what happens you think I am scum? Why not try and lynch me first if you're that convinced I am scum?
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Nanahara715 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Ok, I feel better about a sheep lynch then.

Only concern is VI and his flavor scanning - having only scanned players who are dead/janitored/claimed before he made his claim, means his role is not technically verifiable yet.

I think if Sheep flips scum, that confirms the following as town:

Red, VI, Oddity, Ulti, and [X], where X is someone undetermined at this point. Would lean town on Ben, Death, and maybe Terra- leaves IGCD as scum.

So now that your vanilla theory is basically blasted what is it that makes me scum?

Where am I saying you're scum in this post?

Bolded the part you say I am scum.

The entire post presupposes that sheep is scum, so for you to take this as me calling you scum means that you are also presupposing that Sheep is scum, which is contrary to your immediately preceding action where you say you aren't comfortable with a Sheep lynch and unvoted him.

I missed where you said if sheep was scum and took it as you were calling me scum in either circumstance like VI is calling me now.
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Tied between Sheep and IGCD? That's pretty much how i feel right now anyway. Not really worried about VI because I've read him as town the whole game up till now. His ability is super convenient due to the supposed Night 0 scan he had, so that's the only thing that gives me pause. I should stick to my gut though, and I havent liked Sheep all game. The claim is the only thing sparing him from my wrath right now.

##Vote: Sheep
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IGCD might be a safer lynch though. But I'd rather sort out VI/Sheep sooner than later. One's death basically clears the other
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

VeryInsane posted...

And that flips really quickly if he's Town

But I don't think he is, and if he actually is I'm coming after those who are trying to avoid the lynch (You, Terra, Oddity, Ulti) first and foremost

Actually that would probably open the ballpark a ton. Still don't think so though!

So no matter what happens you think I am scum? Why not try and lynch me first if you're that convinced I am scum?

Because I'm still more convinced Sheep is scum
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VeryInsane posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

VeryInsane posted...

And that flips really quickly if he's Town

But I don't think he is, and if he actually is I'm coming after those who are trying to avoid the lynch (You, Terra, Oddity, Ulti) first and foremost

Actually that would probably open the ballpark a ton. Still don't think so though!

So no matter what happens you think I am scum? Why not try and lynch me first if you're that convinced I am scum?

Because I'm still more convinced Sheep is scum

Bit if he's town that still makes me scum?
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Well there is a slight chance I'm being hoodwinked

At least you are posting
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reading up on PJ, since it seems a lot closer than I thought and I wanted to make sure I had all the information
and besides the fact that I cant see how VI could be scum with the way he and PJ interacted

Sheep does vote PJ and that was enough to scummon him at the time (page 7 of topic 2)
cant rule out bussing yet though, it was still anyone's game at that point

there is a counterpush later towards me (whatisurname)
but since its led by PJ and Corrik (and Terra was on there way earlier), I cant find any secondary scum on there

on the other hand, IGCD votes Oddity around the time he claims (as Oddity was leading alongside PJ at the time)
VI meanwhile returns to pursuing Mzero and Oddity (and Ben) start to push towards Sheep
the lynch for PJ begins to fall apart.
PJ, now more confident, goes after Mzero and not Oddity. But drops it briefly to vote Sheep (putting Sheep in a tied lead with Oddity/Mzero) only to go after nameplz when Corrik votes him.
Frankly I feel like PJ was purposely all over the place to disguise who he really wanted to lynch
and I cant tell whether his vote for Sheep even meant something

all I know is that Sheep never voted (correctly) and IGCD left his vote on Oddity near the end of the day
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but in the end the quieter ones are the suspect ones so...

not putting him at -1, he has to show eventually
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You know I just realized why Corrik was janitored

His fake flavor (NeoFio) was safelisted and scum picked up on it because his real flavor would give away his role

That explains why he was passive too, he was Doctor.
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After rethinking everything, you guys are right. It's probably best to not hold off the VI/Sheep divide like this. Part of it was me thinking that there could be a possibility of Sheep being town based on how his posts do remind me of his play as town, but the lack of his posting in general is what caused my skepticism.

It should be known that if Sheep flips town and ends up being our last protection role, VI definitely goes next.
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How hard did vi ever go after PJ, if at all?
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I dunno how this reminds you of me as Town, Terra, considering this is my first Town game in nearly two years. I've basically completely forgotten how to play competently tbh. I'll probably stick with slower games for a while after this.

I did vote D1 Death, voted PJ and left.

I'm not sure if God here is Scum trying to get credit assuming I get lynched anyway or completely genuine. He'd still be one of my top lynches rn.

Not sure what Ulti is doing, has basically just came in here, called me probable Scum but has done nothing really and kept his vote on Red. Still believe the Miller claim though. No clue what the hell Red's role is but if it's power I can reasonably see him as Town. I mentioned this earlier but someone said he softclaimed Vig before? Never got a reply about that.
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Completely forgot to unvote oops

##Unvote

Not going to vote so hastily when it only takes 6 to lynch.
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Sheep007 posted...

I dunno how this reminds you of me as Town, Terra, considering this is my first Town game in nearly two years. I've basically completely forgotten how to play competently tbh. I'll probably stick with slower games for a while after this.

I did vote D1 Death, voted PJ and left.

I'm not sure if God here is Scum trying to get credit assuming I get lynched anyway or completely genuine. He'd still be one of my top lynches rn.

Not sure what Ulti is doing, has basically just came in here, called me probable Scum but has done nothing really and kept his vote on Red. Still believe the Miller claim though. No clue what the hell Red's role is but if it's power I can reasonably see him as Town. I mentioned this earlier but someone said he softclaimed Vig before? Never got a reply about that.

Your level of play is lower, but you felt genuine to me. I kept listing you as scum since it made sense from an in game standpoint, but meta hit me hard.

You're more likely to be a power role (roleblocker) if you are scum, so you're our best bet for tonight.
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and even when he does show up,. he doesnt vote
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Votals
[3] Sheep - (Oddity), (Death), VI, Red, (Oddity), (IGCD), Ben
[1] IGCD- Nana, (Terra)
[1] red - Ulti
[0] Death - (Terra)
[0] Oddity - Nana
[0] VI - (Oddity)

DAY ENDS ON TUESDAY THE 16TH AT 10PM EST.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

How hard did vi ever go after PJ, if at all?

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IGCD, why did you try to get people to go after me for my "trainwreck claim", and if you thought it was scummy why did you not say so yourself and pursue me yourself instead of urging on others?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

How hard did vi ever go after PJ, if at all?

hard enough to vote him, and to get a lot of sarcasm out of PJ
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I didn't vote him

But I fake dayvigged him
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oh I misremembered
didnt feel notlazy enough to go back to see the votals
still seems like town on scum interaction to me
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Btw can we ease just kill pj the next time he idles day 1. He even tried the poor me i won as scum now im getting lynched as town card.