Current Events > Jesus was a real person, but did he really do those supernaturals feats?

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What do you believe?
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Did he really walk on water using his supernatural feets? LOL
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I have no reason to believe that he did those feats, so I don't believe that he did them.
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I believe he did.

Evolician posted...

Did he really walk on water using his supernatural feets? LOL

Lol
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No
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Yes, it is in the word of God.
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Most of the supernatural feats in the bible are likely just heavily exaggerated. While I can believe a guy named Jesus went around doing good deeds to those around him, he probably didn't heal someone of their blindness.
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If something is "supernatural" it is by definition not real.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

If something is "supernatural" it is by definition not real.

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Yeshua Ben Yosef may have existed as a religious humanitarian. a carpenter who had a good heart. healing people, caring for them, preaching, etc... I just don't think the supernatural stuff happened.

he may have been an awesome guy whom parents told their children of in an exaggerated way.
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Cowboys posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

If something is "supernatural" it is by definition not real.

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Super • natural

"Above/beyond nature", i.e. outside of reality
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we don't actually know for sure he existed. or was a single person. it's possible he either was totally made up, or he is based on an amalgamation of people who lived at that time. there were lots of prophets in that region in that era. there is no definitive evidence of his existence from his own lifetime. Everything we have is stuff written after his so called death. Even the Romans don't really say for sure. They usually kept good records, and the most we get from them is one guy mentioning how odd it is that a new cult worships someone they executed. but it never really proves the executed man existed. I've never seen an actual record of his execution. just hearsay.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Cowboys posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

If something is "supernatural" it is by definition not real.

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Super • natural

"Above/beyond nature", i.e. outside of reality

post the definition that implies super natural = not real.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

Cowboys posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

If something is "supernatural" it is by definition not real.

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Super • natural

"Above/beyond nature", i.e. outside of reality

isn't that the whole purpose these actions being divine
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Zikten posted...

we don't actually know for sure he existed. or was a single person. it's possible he either was totally made up, or he is based on an amalgamation of people who lived at that time. there were lots of prophets in that region in that era. there is no definitive evidence of his existence from his own lifetime. Everything we have is stuff written after his so called death. Even the Romans don't really say for sure. They usually kept good records, and the most we get from them is one guy mentioning how odd it is that a new cult worships someone they executed. but it never really proves the executed man existed. I've never seen an actual record of his execution. just hearsay.

Plus all of his supernaturals feats were things done by other deities in the area, like virgin birth, resurrection after 3 days, etc
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Jesus, mother had an affair or was raped. Then she had to make up a lie about "angel/god" or what the fuck ever made her pregnant. To keep the lie going and her and her son's life, she searched the best illusionist tricksters she could find and made Jesus train all kinds of magic tricks and shit all his childhood. Good thing Jesus was exceptionally smart and very intelligent person, so he learned quickly, and developed tricks of his own too.

Point is all his amazing feats were staged, or were lies by his followers or his closest friends who he promised lots of power when they got enough followers and could practically rule the country/ies.
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Megalodon966 posted...

Yes, it is in the word of God.

troll post
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Not a popular view in the scientific era, but yes.

Taxer posted...

Zikten posted...

we don't actually know for sure he existed. or was a single person. it's possible he either was totally made up, or he is based on an amalgamation of people who lived at that time. there were lots of prophets in that region in that era. there is no definitive evidence of his existence from his own lifetime. Everything we have is stuff written after his so called death. Even the Romans don't really say for sure. They usually kept good records, and the most we get from them is one guy mentioning how odd it is that a new cult worships someone they executed. but it never really proves the executed man existed. I've never seen an actual record of his execution. just hearsay.

Plus all of his supernaturals feats were things done by other deities in the area, like virgin birth, resurrection after 3 days, etc

No they weren't.
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of course he didn't

that's ridiculous
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ManLink4321 posted...

Taxer posted...

Zikten posted...

we don't actually know for sure he existed. or was a single person. it's possible he either was totally made up, or he is based on an amalgamation of people who lived at that time. there were lots of prophets in that region in that era. there is no definitive evidence of his existence from his own lifetime. Everything we have is stuff written after his so called death. Even the Romans don't really say for sure. They usually kept good records, and the most we get from them is one guy mentioning how odd it is that a new cult worships someone they executed. but it never really proves the executed man existed. I've never seen an actual record of his execution. just hearsay.

Plus all of his supernaturals feats were things done by other deities in the area, like virgin birth, resurrection after 3 days, etc

No they weren't.

yes they were. 3 day resurrection is a reference to the Winter Soltice, which is also why jesus' birthday got changed to xmas time
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

ManLink4321 posted...

Taxer posted...

Zikten posted...

we don't actually know for sure he existed. or was a single person. it's possible he either was totally made up, or he is based on an amalgamation of people who lived at that time. there were lots of prophets in that region in that era. there is no definitive evidence of his existence from his own lifetime. Everything we have is stuff written after his so called death. Even the Romans don't really say for sure. They usually kept good records, and the most we get from them is one guy mentioning how odd it is that a new cult worships someone they executed. but it never really proves the executed man existed. I've never seen an actual record of his execution. just hearsay.

Plus all of his supernaturals feats were things done by other deities in the area, like virgin birth, resurrection after 3 days, etc

No they weren't.

yes they were. 3 day resurrection is a reference to the Winter Soltice, which is also why jesus' birthday got changed to xmas time

Name me one person other than Jesus who was resurrected and fits the facts the best, like Jesus is and was.
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No

For the people saying yes, I'm curious, do you also believe in the otherworldly feats performed by other people from other religions or are those somehow nonsense?
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Zikten posted...

we don't actually know for sure he existed. or was a single person. it's possible he either was totally made up, or he is based on an amalgamation of people who lived at that time. there were lots of prophets in that region in that era. there is no definitive evidence of his existence from his own lifetime. Everything we have is stuff written after his so called death. Even the Romans don't really say for sure. They usually kept good records, and the most we get from them is one guy mentioning how odd it is that a new cult worships someone they executed. but it never really proves the executed man existed. I've never seen an actual record of his execution. just hearsay.

There's evidence of his existence in historical records from rome, Greece, Israel, etc..

He definitely was likely a real person, but again, not having supernatural abilities
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ManLink4321 posted...

Name me one person other than Jesus who was resurrected and fits the facts the best, like Jesus is and was.

resurrection with ascension is very common. Hercules going to Olympus, many other people in Greek mythology becoming constellations.

which facts are you referring to specifically when you say "fits the facts" btw?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

ManLink4321 posted...

Name me one person other than Jesus who was resurrected and fits the facts the best, like Jesus is and was.

resurrection with ascension is very common. Hercules going to Olympus, many other people in Greek mythology becoming constellations.

which facts are you referring to specifically when you say "fits the facts" btw?

Resurrection with ascension is not what Jesus did, though. Everything supports Jesus getting nailed to a cross, and then moving a stone out of his way to get seen by people 3 days later. Hercules didn't get resurrected because there is nothing saying he ever did. In the Bible, there's only evidence of Jesus ever having been resurrected, and no one else in history besides Jesus has ever been recorded doing so.
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pres_madagascar posted...

Zikten posted...

we don't actually know for sure he existed. or was a single person. it's possible he either was totally made up, or he is based on an amalgamation of people who lived at that time. there were lots of prophets in that region in that era. there is no definitive evidence of his existence from his own lifetime. Everything we have is stuff written after his so called death. Even the Romans don't really say for sure. They usually kept good records, and the most we get from them is one guy mentioning how odd it is that a new cult worships someone they executed. but it never really proves the executed man existed. I've never seen an actual record of his execution. just hearsay.

There's evidence of his existence in historical records from rome, Greece, Israel, etc..

He definitely was likely a real person, but again, not having supernatural abilities

Yes, from everything I see it says that:

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,[g] although the quest for the historical Jesus has produced little agreement on the historical reliability of the Gospels and on how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus.[21][h][i]
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I believe that Jesus existed, but he was more like a political that wanted a better world than the son of God.
It existed many Messiah candidates back then, even the Bible mention one of them, John the Baptist, and they all were supposed to have done different miracles. Miracles that would later be known to be made by Jesus.
I dont know if he spread the lies to be more popular, like any political, or if it was his disciples that did it after his death because they believed that they tried to make the world a better place. As the years went by and it started to spread, more was added to the stories. The best way to spread a religion is to make it adapt. Give the people something that they recognize by absorbing their already existing culture and add some bonus, like getting inside heaven after death, and people will convert.
We had tons of different texts and versions of Jesus, so they decided to make a canon version when they created the Bible. The ones in charge picked the texts that fit their purpose, did some changes and suddenly it was changed again. Even today we got different views of Jesus. Like those who believes that Jesus hates homosexuals while others believes that he got no problems with them. And then we got the group that believes that Baby Jesus is a saint and a different person.
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