Board 8 > Survivor HHH Discussion Topic 3: Survivor Series

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GTM posted...

Peridiam posted...

i'm curious how they'll comprehend lauren's no vote when only 10 votes were read

There was a vote for Lauren, wasn't there? 4-4-2-1

4-4-1-1
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Ugh missed the vote reveal and my mind went to 2 votes for some reason. Thought joe and desi voted the same. Just not my episode last night
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Underleveled posted...

When Nicaragua aired NaOnka was my least favorite castaway if all time and remained in my bottom 5 until I watched it on DVD and my feelings toward her became more mixed. In the episodes that she is good, she is a fucking star. But then if you isolate episodes 2, 4, and 11, she is so incredibly vile that she rivals Colton.

NaOnka is still in my bottom five because she's vile way more often than she isn't and that gives us a clearer picture of who she is. She is every bit as much of a monster as Colton and there's a reason those two have been my bottom two ever for the past five years. They're also both quitters, so that gives them a slight push further into the basement over unredeemable assholes like Brandon Hantz and Will Sims II, who are also bottom five material. The common denominator here is that they're all absolutely terrible people. The only one I have any pity on is Colton - same reason as anyone would - because nobody deserves that.
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This might sound weird, but for me I can't put Brandon in like bottom 5 or anything, because I sort of feel like he's ultimately some kind of victim in the whole thing and that he probably never should have been on Survivor in the first place.

StormTR posted...

This might sound weird, but for me I can't put Brandon in like bottom 5 or anything, because I sort of feel like he's ultimately some kind of victim in the whole thing and that he probably never should have been on Survivor in the first place.

Well, based on his behavior... Brandon is an SED (Severe Emotional Disorder) that most definitely needs help, but he's not a good person and I agree he never should have been on Survivor because he isn't on the right medication. His secret stalking of Miki and going ape and dumping out the rice are actions that show diagnoses like OCD and ADHD or Bipolar (or both). I would be intrigued by the results of Dr. Eliza's psych exam and why she cleared him to play Survivor twice. Ordinarily, someone like that gets screened out if they're not medicated. I would guess Ben this season is on some sort of medication to suppress the night terrors from his Military PTSD, not that I would know much about that, though, as my job deals with kids, not adults.

The thing that confuses me is why Brandon's Uncle Willie was also like that on Big Brother... and his Uncle Russell is a total asshole, too, and is clueless as to why that prevents him from winning Survivor. It's not common for such drastic emotional disturbances to be so rampant in a family tree. It makes me think that there's some serious upbringing issues in that family.
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Yeah I have Brandon in my bottom 5 (at least for his run in South Pacific) but I wouldn't put him on the "legitimately terrible person" list. For me that list would be like, Colton, Alicia R, Will, Reed, Russell, Ghandia, Kyle Jason, and sadly Mike Skupin, though that has nothing to do with his time in the game. Maybe a few others that I'm missing. Dan Foley is also a piece of shit but he's just enough of an all-around train wreck of a human being for me to blame that instead of straight up just being a vile person.
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I'm curious what Alicia R did that makes you say that. I'm probably forgetting something. I mean, I didn't like her, but... go on.

I don't think Reed is THAT terrible of a person. He just really disliked Muffin and was really petty over it. He is by no means a nice guy, but I wouldn't say he's as terrible as Colton, NaOnka, Will, Russell, or Skupin.

Ghandia is... yeah. Going from accepting Ted's apology to throwing a big hissy fit, then getting voted out and having an immediate "Guess I went too far" reaction shows that she's a diva.

Kyle Jason isn't actually that bad of a guy outside of Survivor. He just wanted to play the Hantz and it got him to be reviled. He's on a hurricane relief team in Puerto Rico and spent six weeks down there. A terrible person wouldn't do that. But he was such a jerk on Survivor that I question his motives instinctively. I also wonder who the bigger jerk actually was between Scot Pollard and him. Perhaps someone could ask Alecia or Aubry.

Dan Foley likely has Asperger's and has no idea how to pick up on social cues. He had no idea that he was being a jerk to Shirin with the shit he was saying. He legit thought he was "helping" her. I think he's misunderstood more than he's a jerk and that can be chalked up to him having a disability. Of course, that does not excuse his actions. I dislike him, but I wouldn't say "hate." I would compare him more to Jean-Robert, only with a social impairment.

Others include Shamar, John Rocker, Ben from Samoa, and Rocky. Just a few names that came to mind.
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I found Brandon's arc on South Pacific to be decent. He never should have come back if he was as bashed at home as they said he was. I don't know if he is bottom 5. Because at least when he went crazy with Mikiayla he was smart enough to try and get her voted out.

Yeah so bottom 5 in THEIR SURVIVOR GAMES:
Colton
NaOnka
Will Sims II
Alecia Rose from One World was such a bitch.
Ben Browning

Russell isn't on there because while he was completely vile and horrible in Samoa I thought he had redeeming qualities in Samoa. But I will know for sure when I get there on my super duper slow rewatch that is so slow that I won't document.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

I'm curious what Alicia R did that makes you say that. I'm probably forgetting something. I mean, I didn't like her, but... go on.

Early in the game she was almost as bad to Christina as Colton was. The near the end, she said in a confessional that dealing with Christina was like dealing with her special ed students.
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Underleveled posted...

Then near the end, she said in a confessional that dealing with Christina was like dealing with her special ed students.

...how did I forget about that? That's quite the insult and shows that she shouldn't be teaching special ed. Would you say she's basically the female equivalent to Adam from BB9? Though he's an even worse person given his prison sentence...

Regardless, Cha-Cha didn't deserve that and Alicia should feel bad. Thanks for the reminder. I'll try to remember to trash her in my blog sometime.
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Bottom 5 is

Colton
Phillip
Russell
Dan
Will

Varner would be down there as well. And obviously Skupin is the worst if we count non survivor stuff.
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So not that our bottom 5 isn't riveting. Todd Herzog talked decent amount about going back to play in the infamous all winners season. Is it just me or is it becoming more and more likely? I always thought they needed more female winners but I have been thinking they might be able to do it.
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Another person who should probably be on the legit terrible people list, but I often overlook because I actually do like him (perhaps ironically) - Brian Heidik.
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Is this ranking as a survivor player? If so the only guarantee bottom i have is colton, didnt like him at all.

For some reason shannon (elkins?) comes to mind but my memory is hazy on what exactly he did. I just remembered i really disliked him.

Oh and holly. I really didnt like her.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

I also wonder who the bigger jerk actually was between Scot Pollard and him.

I listened to a RHAP with Aubry a while ago and I'm pretty sure she likes Kyle a lot more than Scot. She was able to make up with the former.
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Reading more i may be confusing ben and shannon?
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I forgot to look for and tag this after the other one 500'd
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Nameless2000 posted...

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I also wonder who the bigger jerk actually was between Scot Pollard and him.

I listened to a RHAP with Aubry a while ago and I'm pretty sure she likes Kyle a lot more than Scot. She was able to make up with the former.

I could buy that Scot was worse on the island. Alecia cast her last ditch desperation vote for Scot, and the girls voted out Scot two rounds before Jason. The biggest thing I question is that for the two episodes that they were separated, Scot was tolerable, bordering on likable, while Jason was still horrendous.
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Inviso posted...

The other thing about Ben is...if you're gonna be an alpha male leader, at least be FUN about it. Tony Vlachos is amazing and is one of my favorite winners. I'm actively rooting for Joe as we speak. People like Ben, Chris from MvGX, Savage from Game Changers, Jeff from Philippines...people who are leaders in their normal life and then go on Survivor and take charge in a very bland and matter-of-fact fashion...there's no charisma, yet this person is getting a ton of screentime to dictate the season. If not for Joe, Ben would've calmly enacted his shitty, mathematically inaccurate plan, and this episode would've been boring as fuck.

I think you have a different idea of what charisma is than a lot of people. Ben, Chris, Savage, and Jeff are all clearly leaders. You're confusing blandness with empathetic leaders. That is their leadership style; to connect with and be deferred to. They aren't leaders who come on Survivor and then act differently, that's just how they are.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

Others include Shamar

Oh yeah forgot to respond to this. Shamar is confrontational and abrasive but that doesn't make him a vile person like the others. He didn't do anything that made me go "yeah, no halfway decent person would ever do/say that"
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Just marathoned all of Naomi's videos
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GTM posted...

Just marathoned all of Naomi's videos

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Chrissy is Wonder Woman, JP is Superman, Devon is Aquaman... can't tell through the masks who Batman and Flash are.

EDIT: Oh, Batman is Ben..... Flash still can't quite tell. Dr. Mike?
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based on the alliance, probably Ryan
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With that puberty beard I would assume it is Ryan
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My question made it onto the Todd Herzog podcast.
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i like todd and listening him makes me want an all-winners season even more

survivor 40 needs to be all-winners

s20 was the most epic season, so it'd be fitting for it to be s40
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I said this the other day, do they have enough willing/'entertaining' female winners to make it happen. By CBS standards
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Tina, Danni, Parvati, Sandra, Sophie, Denise, Natalie I think would all play for all winners.

I think maybe you could get Jenna and Kim if she stops having kids for a while.
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So you only listed 7. I know Sarah said she would consider playing agaim but is concerned she may go first because of how dirty of a game she played last time.
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I mean, Id be fine with a 16 player season if thats all they can get.

Theres also 5 more seasons between now and then to produce more female winners. I actually would like to see Michele again too but I dont know if shes expressed interest.
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Actually, in here interview Michele said she would love to play again because she feels people would underestimate her game
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Adding Kim would really be the perfect women's cast plus adding from whoever the next 4 winners are.
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Let's see... if we did an all winner season...

Hatch: 100% on. He has to be. He wrote the rulebook.
Tina: 100% on. She proved in Blood vs. Water that she still has what it takes. Iconic early winner.
Ethan: 100% on. His cancer is hopefully gone for good and that's the only thing that could stop him.
Vecepia: 0%. Nobody except the superfans remember her. She's not a presence in the community, nor is she very entertaining. Cirie would be a better choice for such a role, even on a "Survivor: Champions" season, yes.
Brian: 50% on. He said he got over the demanding the second-place prize money up front. It's only a matter if they forgive him or not. He would be great TV.
Jenna: Depends on whether they view her quit as forgivable or not. I forgive her. They'd have pulled her from the game later anyway. Because of that, if things between her and Ethan would be too awkward, they'd pick him over her if it came down to it.
Sandra: The Queen stays Queen. 100% on.
Amber: 0%. The only reason we'd ever see her again is if they did a Blood vs. Water "Couples" season. We're getting her husband over her every single time.
Chris: 40% on. I want to see this guy play again. Production doesn't seem as fond of him. Has he ever been considered?
Tom: Age is an issue by now. Would he do it again?
Danni: 80% on. While she was on the shortlist for Game Changers, they probably cut her because, y'know, she stays mum in confessionals so Probst doesn't probe her too deeply. That's brilliant but doesn't make for good TV.
Aras: 100% on. They need a shirtless guy.
Yul: 50% on. I think they want Yul back but the question is whether or not Zuckerberg is gonna let him. I doubt it.
Earl: 100% on. He was on the Game Changers shortlist, too. No idea why they cut him. He's charismatic and very intelligent.
Todd: 60% on. They'll want him back, but the question is whether or not he passes the physical. Is he still having seizures?
Parvati: 100% on. She's said she'd do it. They will make her. Because she's Parvati.
Bob: 0%. Age, worst winner....
J.T.: 60%. His horrendous outing in Game Changers gives them room for doubt.
Natalie W: 0%. She's off the radar completely and some people still don't get why she won.
--Sandra--
Fabio: ??? - where is he and what is he doing and why would they cast him?
Boston Rob: 100%. Survivor legend.
Sophie: 75%. She was not a big presence on air. She wasn't a very pleasant person at the time. Would be interesting to see how she's grown, given her RHAP appearances.
Kim: 100%. Legend. Queen. Etc.
Denise: 80%. She's not particularly memorable to the casuals but she went to every fucking Tribal. COME ON.
Cochran: 0%. Probst loves him, but he can't bend the rules with not allowing a CBS employee on.
Tyson: 90%. He'd do it again. He's known for winning just as much as he is for blindsiding himself, too.
Tony: 100%. Survivor legend.
Natalie A: 100%. They wanted her back for Game Changers but she did not clear concussion protocol in time. So she's on.
Mike: Meh.
Jeremy: 100%. He's pretty loved, though many people were upset that he beat Wentworth.
Michele: 100%. She is a very intriguing UTR winner who has a lot to prove.
Adam: His story was basically Jenna's done even more emotionally. A return visit would not have that story. It feels to me that his book has been written because.
Sarah: 75%. They'd want her, but would she do it?
HHH: I think no matter who wins this season, they're a near-lock.

Men: Hatch, Ethan, Brian, Aras, Earl, Boston Rob, Tyson, Tony, Jeremy, one of Chris/Yul/Todd
Women: Tina, Jenna, Sandra, Danni, Parvati, Kim, Denise, Natalie A, Michele, Sarah; alternate is Sophie

Remember casuals need to be taken into account here. They're going to want Boston Rob, Tony, Sandra, Parvati, etc. even if the superfans are tired of one of those.
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KujikawaRising posted...

Tom: Age is an issue by now. Would he do it again?

Tom isn't THAT old. Might even be younger than Tina. He just looks older cause of the gray hair.

He was super popular when he won and won while Survivor was still a pretty big thing, and got zapped early on Hob, so I'm sure they'd want him back.

Edit: just looked it up and yeah, Tom is younger than both Tina and Richard who you 100%'d
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Last I heard Tom was in poor health.
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MEN:
Adam
Aras
Chris
Earl
Fabio OR S35 winner
Jeremy
Mike
Richard
Todd
Tom

WOMEN:
Danni
Denise
Kim
Jenna
Michele OR S35 winner
Natalie A.
Parvati
Sandra
Sophie
Tina

Would be my guess if hypothetically this were S36. For the love of God no Rob.
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Peridiam posted...

Last I heard Tom was in poor health.

His aging is more visible than Tina or Hatch. Which is why my brain went that way.

Underleveled posted...

Would be my guess if hypothetically this were S36. For the love of God no Rob.

Too bad. Boston Rob is a lock. Because "everybody loves him" according to Probst. Did I get tired of him? Yes. but because of casuals, he's on. Period. They have to appease as many fans as possible. If there was no Boston Rob, there would be riots. I had no choice but to include him. My approach was more from a production standpoint.

I mean, I'd prefer Amber to him because it would be way more interesting to see her take another crack at it after all this time. She'd be a lot like Michele in the "underestimated" regard, too.

You also did not include Tony, which is heresy. Another Tony vs. Sandra bout would be hilarious. And Tony is a freaking Legend that 100% has to be included by any true fan.
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Pretty sure Rob doesn't want to play again.
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KujikawaRising posted...

You also did not include Tony, which is heresy. Another Tony vs. Sandra bout would be hilarious. And Tony is a freaking Legend that 100% has to be included by any true fan.

I love Tony but my thing there is I don't want to become sick of him like I became sick of Rob. I actually feel that way about Sandra as well but I had more guys to put in for Tony than I did girls for Sandra.
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Underleveled posted...

KujikawaRising posted...

You also did not include Tony, which is heresy. Another Tony vs. Sandra bout would be hilarious. And Tony is a freaking Legend that 100% has to be included by any true fan.

I love Tony but my thing there is I don't want to become sick of him like I became sick of Rob. I actually feel that way about Sandra as well but I had more guys to put in for Tony than I did girls for Sandra.

The point of an all-winners season is to put a variety of the best competitors on an island and pit them against each other. So not having Tony would significantly reduce the chances of it being enjoyable. Same goes for the Queen. Too many gamebots is not a good thing when you could have personalities that leave a hell of an imprint.

The Mana Sword posted...

Pretty sure Rob doesn't want to play again.

Because he's already been on six times? Four Survivor, two TAR? Hmm, that might make sense. Might get us a return visit from Amber instead of Michele.
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TIME FOR A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!

Following the conclusion of Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers, I will be hosting Save My Survivor III. My co-host will be Naomi. All 516 Survivor contestants are getting ready to go at it once more, however, I do realize that this is a tall order - last time we did this was 13 seasons ago, and it dragged heavily in the beginning, largely due to the extraordinary field size and insane amount of fodder. Now the field is larger by nearly 200 entrants, and a lot of that is more fodder. Thus we have a plan for this that is going to eliminate over half of the field very quickly AND ensure that most of that is the fodder and most of what's left is the legitimate contenders. I'll say more on that soon, but what I will say is that it's not nominations, because the whole point of this is for every contestant to be a part of this in some capacity, and it's not "The last 50 unsaved are eliminated" type rounds either, because that's just absurd and doesn't even remotely ensure the "most of the early stuff gone is fodder" goal. For now I'll leave you with that teaser and hope you're looking forward to supporting your old favorites once more, and your new favorites for the first time.
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hey i finally got to watch last week's ep lol

i'm quite pleased with how much intrigue there was for a pretty straightforward boot (in terms of it being another healer going down)

i dont dislike either ben or ryan at this point but i would be disappointed if either won tbqh
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Underleveled posted...

TIME FOR A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!

Following the conclusion of Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers, I will be hosting Save My Survivor III. My co-host will be Naomi. All 516 Survivor contestants are getting ready to go at it once more, however, I do realize that this is a tall order - last time we did this was 13 seasons ago, and it dragged heavily in the beginning, largely due to the extraordinary field size and insane amount of fodder. Now the field is larger by nearly 200 entrants, and a lot of that is more fodder. Thus we have a plan for this that is going to eliminate over half of the field very quickly AND ensure that most of that is the fodder and most of what's left is the legitimate contenders. I'll say more on that soon, but what I will say is that it's not nominations, because the whole point of this is for every contestant to be a part of this in some capacity, and it's not "The last 50 unsaved are eliminated" type rounds either, because that's just absurd and doesn't even remotely ensure the "most of the early stuff gone is fodder" goal. For now I'll leave you with that teaser and hope you're looking forward to supporting your old favorites once more, and your new favorites for the first time.

Maybe I'm just feeling being drunk and high at the same time, but hype. I look forward to this :)
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Boston Rob is pretty sure he won't play again the last time he was on RHAP. Todd said on RHAP that he was doing well and would play in a heartbeat BUT he said that Fabio was not doing well so he may not be able to play. Guys, Tom Westman would only be 55 for 40. He should probably be fine.

I think I will break them into categories instead.

LOCKS
Hatch
Tina
Earl
Danni
Parvati
Cochran
Sandra
Natalie Anderson

- These guys are locks because they all have shown willingness to play again and CBS has show interest in them. I also don't think Cochran is currently employed by CBS

If they want to play they will play
Boston Rob OR Amber
Tony
Tyson
Jeremy
Sarah
Kim

These are all winners who ironically on RHAP (except for Amber) have said they don't think they would play again. So therefore, if they told CBS they would play again I believe they would play again and potentially steal the spot of some of those locks. Kim is in this group because she has been busy as of late and probably would say no currently. Also, I don't see them having both Rob and Amber

Would play if CBS would let them
Brian
Aras
Todd
JT
Sophie
Denise
Mike
Michele
Adam

All of these players expressed interest in playing again on RHAP but they all have a flaw in their character/game. Brian being vile. Arad being considered boring. JT's aggressive gameplay has proven to make him look like a doofus. Sophie was considering unlikable by casuals. Denise actually has the least wrong with her game but she's not the most dynamic. Honestly, as type this I feel like she should be a lock but I have a feeling CBS don't have her top of mind. I'll leave Mikes flaw for Inviso lol. Michele and Adam both have the issue of a portion of fans think someone else should have won their season (Aubry and David). Todd is here less about his game but more about his health.

On the fence good
Chris
Yul

I don't know their current status but is my understanding that they would probably be happy to do it.

On the fence bad
Ethan
Jenna
Tom

Both Ethan and Tom expressed that they feel Survivor is best when played amongst strangers and did not love their returning player experiences. Jenna, it is my understanding that she is not a favorite in Jeff's winners. So she's boring and I don't know if she take an attractive women's spot if both Michele and Parvati are in the mix. (Random side note, no cute blonde female winners beside Natalie White)

I'm saying out
V
Bob
Nataie White
Fabio

Not dynamic winners and have issues that make them not worth trying for. V is a bit older now and not remembered. Bob is very old. He was in his 50s then. Natalie is MIA and as I mentioned earlier Todd said Fabio was in bad health.
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And yes hype for the save me
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lol at Brian being anything above 0%. Same with Chris.

I doubt Aras comes back. Probst thinks he's one of the most boring winners and the only reason he even came back the second time was because they wanted his brother.

Production doesn't care about Jenna's quit. They've invited her back despite it.

Michele ain't coming back either. For the same reasons they'll never bring Natalie White back.

And nobody was upset Jeremy beat Kelley lol. Nor should they be. The stupid casuals were upset he beat Spencer.

I don't see a winner season happening unless Probst and production get the exact amount of people they truly want.
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So in my worst case scenario (where all of the people who said they would say no say no.) Our season looks like this.

Men:
Hatch
Earl
Cochran
Aras
Todd
JT
Mike
Adam

Women:
Tina
Danni
Parvati
Sandra
Natalie Anderson
Sophie
Denise
Michele

And honestly, this isn't that bad of case hell there's even enough diversity on this cast for Survivor diversity.
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