Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 158: A Wolff in Sheep's Clothing

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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:35:19 PM
#304:


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html?referer=https://t.co/fc1V5M8pii?amp=1

From the right-wing PUA publication also known as the NY times!
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:37:43 PM
#305:


Rock, is that female NYT columnist a piece of shit assault enabler too?
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:46:28 PM
#306:


TheRock1525 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
You have to be ridiculously dense if you don't understand the subtext of including that.


Shut the fuck up.

Rock said this to me for saying the same thing as a feminist nyt columnist about the wine. Guess she needs to shut the fuck up too! Damn us and our superior deductive abilities!
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 7:47:42 PM
#307:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Rock, is that female NYT columnist a piece of shit assault enabler too?


Considering she's skipping over critical elements of Grace's story (telling Aziz she didn't want to have sex on the first date, yet in Bari says the first time she said "no" wasn't until the very end), I don't put much weight into this opinion piece. Last I checked, opinion pieces at news papers contain viewpoints from all over.
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Mr Lasastryke
01/15/18 7:47:55 PM
#308:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Rock said this to me for saying the same thing as a feminist nyt columnist about the wine. Guess she needs to shut the fuck up too! Damn us and our superior deductive abilities!


what the hell are you even arguing? that a feminist NYT columnist is infallible?
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:48:02 PM
#309:


TheRock1525 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
That is a common, even expected, part of courtship. I realize that many of you have little to no sexual experience, but most women tend to feign chastity because it's part of the foreplay. You sound like those consent contract satires come to life.


Seriously shut the fuck up. This is the most grossed out I've been of you as a person and you've said some seriously awful shit.

Rock must be equally disgusted by the left wing NY Times for posting a column that reflects this same sentiment. Thank God he is so thoughtful and enlightened as to call out these extremist reactionary opinions!
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:49:16 PM
#310:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
what the hell are you even arguing? that a feminist NYT columnist is infallible?

That thev sentiment I and others have been expressing is mainstream enough to certainly not warrant such salty buttanger
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 7:49:29 PM
#311:


Also, your argument was "OMG DAMNING PATRIARCHY TALK."
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 7:50:12 PM
#312:


Seph's argument is basically that we're all a liberal hivemind except that we're not I guess.
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:50:26 PM
#313:


TheRock1525 posted...
Also, your argument was "OMG DAMNING PATRIARCHY TALK."

Which is what it was. And exactly what the columnist read from it as well.
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 7:51:08 PM
#314:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Also, your argument was "OMG DAMNING PATRIARCHY TALK."

Which is what it was. And exactly what the columnist read from it as well.


Columnist mentions nothing about patriarchy but ok.
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:51:26 PM
#315:


TheRock1525 posted...
Seph's argument is basically that we're all a liberal hivemind except that we're not I guess.

My argument is that you reacted like an emotionally disturbed baby when you saw someone post a mainstream opinion about sex.
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Mr Lasastryke
01/15/18 7:54:02 PM
#316:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
That thev sentiment I and others have been expressing is mainstream enough to certainly not warrant such salty buttanger


spoilers: mainstream opinions can be disgusting too. i hope i don't have to godwin this topic.
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 7:54:30 PM
#317:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Seph's argument is basically that we're all a liberal hivemind except that we're not I guess.

My argument is that you reacted like an emotionally disturbed baby when you saw someone post a mainstream opinion about sex.


A handful of board 8ers and a random NYT columnist =/= mainstream opinion.
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Mr Lasastryke
01/15/18 7:56:57 PM
#318:


i love how sephy has all these argument ending laws in his head.

"if thomas jefferson said it, it's automatically true!"

"if an opinion is mainstream, it can't possibly be disgusting!"

intellectual laziness at its most blatant.
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:57:15 PM
#319:


TheRock1525 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Seph's argument is basically that we're all a liberal hivemind except that we're not I guess.

My argument is that you reacted like an emotionally disturbed baby when you saw someone post a mainstream opinion about sex.


A handful of board 8ers and a random NYT columnist =/= mainstream opinion.

You are in the small minority in the world. The sooner you accept this, the sooner your opinions will start to become interesting.

Just accept that you have uncoventional views on sex and masculinity. Seriously, its cool to have unique opinions.
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 7:57:36 PM
#320:


I see far more people disagreeing with Aziz's behavior (even if not agreeing it's a form of sexual assault) than I see people going "yup, that's perfectly natural."

And Aziz himself apologized and "took her words to heart" or whatever the fuck that means.
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 7:58:51 PM
#321:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Seph's argument is basically that we're all a liberal hivemind except that we're not I guess.

My argument is that you reacted like an emotionally disturbed baby when you saw someone post a mainstream opinion about sex.


A handful of board 8ers and a random NYT columnist =/= mainstream opinion.

You are in the small minority in the world. The sooner you accept this, the sooner your opinions will start to become interesting.

Just accept that you have uncoventional views on sex and masculinity. Seriously, its cool to have unique opinions.


I'm in the minority that considers this sexual assault.

I'm not in the minority that thinks this behavior is gross.
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 7:59:17 PM
#322:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i love how sephy has all these argument ending laws in his head.

"if thomas jefferson said it, it's automatically true!"

"if an opinion is mainstream, it can't possibly be disgusting!"

intellectual laziness at its most blatant.

I was specifically called out for having an "extreme" opinion on this matter. That is factually false. Whether I am right or wrong is inherently subjective, but I'm not letting people try to build a bubble on this board by letting them spread a false perspective on reality.
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 8:00:31 PM
#323:


TheRock1525 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Seph's argument is basically that we're all a liberal hivemind except that we're not I guess.

My argument is that you reacted like an emotionally disturbed baby when you saw someone post a mainstream opinion about sex.


A handful of board 8ers and a random NYT columnist =/= mainstream opinion.

You are in the small minority in the world. The sooner you accept this, the sooner your opinions will start to become interesting.

Just accept that you have uncoventional views on sex and masculinity. Seriously, its cool to have unique opinions.


I'm in the minority that considers this sexual assault.

I'm not in the minority that thinks this behavior is gross.

Gross behavior doesn't warrant a hit piece when there are actual sexual predators being called out every day.
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 8:01:59 PM
#324:


Anyway, I win. Hopefully you start to own your radical views on sexuality and embrace eccentricity! It makes life more interesting.
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 8:02:01 PM
#325:


So you're admitting it's gross behavior now after defending it as perfectly natural?
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Nelson_Mandela
01/15/18 8:03:06 PM
#326:


TheRock1525 posted...
So you're admitting it's gross behavior now after defending it as perfectly natural?

It's natural to be gross. And the natural consequence is not getting women to sleep with you. Everything happened as it should have.
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Panthera
01/15/18 8:13:20 PM
#327:


Did someone revive the sexual harassment containment topic or something
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LapisLazuli
01/15/18 8:13:44 PM
#328:


Gross.

Go back to Starbursts.

All tropical flavors suck.
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The Mana Sword
01/15/18 8:16:20 PM
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Panthera
01/15/18 8:21:48 PM
#330:


Tonight on CNN we explore whether or not it's possible to agree with Donald Trump's taste in Starbursts without being a racist
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Reg
01/15/18 10:02:42 PM
#331:


LapisLazuli posted...
Gross.

Go back to Starbursts.

All tropical flavors suck.

You're correct, which is absolutely amazing considering all the normal flavors are good
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TheRock1525
01/15/18 10:06:56 PM
#332:


Not a Starbursts man, personally.

I prefer Skittles when it comes to fruit-flavored candies.
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KamikazePotato
01/15/18 10:09:08 PM
#333:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i don't disagree with this but can we at least agree that he was acting like an asshole to someone who just revealed she has been sexually assaulted? "it's sephy so yeah" isn't an excuse.

Quoting this so it isn't forgotten
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LapisLazuli
01/15/18 10:33:04 PM
#334:


Reg posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Gross.

Go back to Starbursts.

All tropical flavors suck.

You're correct, which is absolutely amazing considering all the normal flavors are good


It was so depressing when I bought a bag of favreds and realised that it was actually 4 flavors, two of them tropical.
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Forceful_Dragon
01/15/18 10:40:52 PM
#335:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Anyway, I win. Hopefully you start to own your radical views on sexuality and embrace eccentricity! It makes life more interesting.


I don't think you are wrong about the aziz situation.

I think you are particularly shitty when it comes to being right about something though.

Also this is a situation that has some subjectivity to it so even if you don't think the story constitutes sexual assault (and neither do i) there exists the possibility that other people have drawn a completely different line in the sand about what isn't acceptable.

If there are more women that have things to say about aziz's behavior then i might change what i think about him.... but to me this sounds like she reluctantly consented to various behaviors.
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ClyTheCool
01/16/18 12:41:31 AM
#336:


Sephg said a lot of crazy shit I wouldn't cosign, but I agree that Aziz didn't really do anything bad here.

It all basically boils down to him repeatedly going "pleeeease have sex with me" over and over to his date that came back to his apartment and sucked his dick.

It's perfectly reasonable for her to view him as pathetic or pushy and to not want to see him again. Or to have left his apartment at anytime. But it''s not anything that deserves criminal charges or a public humiliation intended to hurt his career.

Rock, I think you need to work out some stuff with yourself. Your emotional reaction to sephg was really over the top and strange. And quite frankly, pathetic. You only hurt your own image and whatever cause you are arguing for by behaving that way.
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Jakyl25
01/16/18 12:45:31 AM
#337:


ClyTheCool posted...
criminal charges


Has anyone suggested this at all? Seems like a bit of a straw man
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ClyTheCool
01/16/18 12:46:32 AM
#338:


What are the two main consequences of sexual assault or harassment?
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TheRock1525
01/16/18 12:48:02 AM
#339:


Jakyl25 posted...
ClyTheCool posted...
criminal charges


Has anyone suggested this at all? Seems like a bit of a straw man


I will fully admit I feel it's sexual assault, and have stated as much. But I have much stricter versions of what constitutes assault. We already had that debate about Franken.
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redrocket_pub
01/16/18 12:48:03 AM
#340:


Jakyl25 posted...
ClyTheCool posted...
criminal charges


Has anyone suggested this at all? Seems like a bit of a straw man


I mean it's implied by anyone who is specifically characterizing what happened as sexual assault .
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TheRock1525
01/16/18 12:48:56 AM
#341:


ClyTheCool posted...
What are the two main consequences of sexual assault or harassment?


You get to be president or you get to lose an Alabama election.
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Jakyl25
01/16/18 12:49:44 AM
#342:


Is the woman from the article pressing charges?

We can talk about culturally addressing behavior we perceive as gross without necessarily trying to lock people up.
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TheRock1525
01/16/18 12:51:13 AM
#343:


Jakyl25 posted...
Is the woman from the article pressing charges?


She described it as sexual assault but last i checked isn't pressing any charges.
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redrocket_pub
01/16/18 12:52:07 AM
#344:


Jakyl25 posted...
Is the woman from the article pressing charges?

We can talk about culturally addressing behavior we perceive as gross without necessarily trying to lock people up.


Regardless what the woman herself is doing, if someone states that what happened is sexual assault, they are strongly implying that they think he should be locked up.
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Eddv
01/16/18 12:53:40 AM
#345:


Whoa there Cly coming in on the high horse
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TheRock1525
01/16/18 12:56:11 AM
#346:


Btw:

Sexual assault is an act in which a person sexually touches another person without that person's consent, or coerces or physically forces a person to engage in a sexual act against their will.

This is sometimes lost on people in these cases.
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CoolCly
01/16/18 1:00:04 AM
#347:


I mean there's two main consequences for what she's alleging he did and I don't think he deserves either of them. I think it's quite the strawman for you to single out that line.

Anyways, did you guys see Dan Harmon's admission and apology for his sexual harassment of Megan Ganz? It was really good stuff. I recommend a listen. It starts at 18:35

http://www.harmontown.com/2018/01/episode-dont-let-him-wipe-or-flush/
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Metal_DK
01/16/18 1:10:13 AM
#349:


Social media turns everything into some massive issue in the centralized internet era. Social media ruins society
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MoogleKupo141
01/16/18 1:13:49 AM
#352:


He conveniently ignores that leftists think normal things like asking for a phone number fits that definition of "coercion".


this sounds like something you maybe saw a crazy person tweet once and not a true thing that any significant number of people believe.
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TheRock1525
01/16/18 1:19:10 AM
#353:


I missed the part where phones are regularly involved in sex. Pretty sure the definition I cited included sexual touching.
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