Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 158: A Wolff in Sheep's Clothing

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pxlated 01/14/18 10:42:16 PM #153:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent? Having spent a large amount of time in the kink community and with friends that actually teach kink classes, any good kink relationship involves clear and direct communication about what is and isn't okay. And "what if she is just kinky" isn't a fucking excuse to do this. Jesus christ.But --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:894071662] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent?</quote> Having spent a large amount of time in the kink community and with friends that actually teach kink classes, any good kink relationship involves clear and direct communication about what is and isn't okay. And "what if she is just kinky" isn't a fucking excuse to do this. Jesus christ.But</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 10:42:43 PM #154:	TheRock1525 posted... Like I gotta be honest, I bet ExTha would look at Aziz's behavior and not approve of it. He might attack the lady, too, for possibly giving mixed signals (I don't think a blowjob precludes sex as a guarantee) but I doubt he was ever alone with a woman and constantly harassed her around a room, sticking his fingers down her throat and continuing to ask her where she wants to be fucked after saying she didn't want to have sex that night. You do realize that foreplay also functions as a way to turn on your partner... Girls are allowed to change their minds. They're also allowed to leave if they feel pressured. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894071688] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Like I gotta be honest, I bet ExTha would look at Aziz's behavior and not approve of it. He might attack the lady, too, for possibly giving mixed signals (I don't think a blowjob precludes sex as a guarantee) but I doubt he was ever alone with a woman and constantly harassed her around a room, sticking his fingers down her throat and continuing to ask her where she wants to be fucked after saying she didn't want to have sex that night.</quote> You do realize that foreplay also functions as a way to turn on your partner... Girls are allowed to change their minds. They're also allowed to leave if they feel pressured.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 10:44:31 PM #155:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent? What the fuck is this even? Do you just poke and guess at other people's kinks? Secondly, submissive women's goal is to SUBMIT. They don't fight it at all. She was clearly fighting him the whole experience. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894071791] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent?</quote> What the fuck is this even? Do you just poke and guess at other people's kinks? Secondly, submissive women's goal is to SUBMIT. They don't fight it at all. She was clearly fighting him the whole experience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 01/14/18 10:45:25 PM #156:	Literally nothing Seph is saying surprises me in light of things he's said before. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:894071836] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Literally nothing Seph is saying surprises me in light of things he's said before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 10:45:50 PM #157:	Again, look at the reactions to the Aziz article. It is getting shredded by almost everyone as a step backwards in the metoo movement. Only the most socially insulated of men and radicalized feminists are defending it. I know that's not necessarily a counterpoint, but don't act like I'm some fringe monster on this issue. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894071849] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Again, look at the reactions to the Aziz article. It is getting shredded by almost everyone as a step backwards in the metoo movement. Only the most socially insulated of men and radicalized feminists are defending it. I know that's not necessarily a counterpoint, but don't act like I'm some fringe monster on this issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 01/14/18 10:46:31 PM #158:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Again, look at the reactions to the Aziz article. It is getting shredded by almost everyone as a step backwards in the metoo movement. Only the most socially insulated of men and radicalized feminists are defending it. I know that's not necessarily a counterpoint, but don't act like I'm some fringe monster on this issue. Your DEFENSE in the past several posts is why you're some "fringe monster". --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:894071898] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Again, look at the reactions to the Aziz article. It is getting shredded by almost everyone as a step backwards in the metoo movement. Only the most socially insulated of men and radicalized feminists are defending it. I know that's not necessarily a counterpoint, but don't act like I'm some fringe monster on this issue.</quote> Your DEFENSE in the past several posts is why you're some "fringe monster".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 01/14/18 10:47:12 PM #159:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent? What the fuck is this even? Do you just poke and guess at other people's kinks? Secondly, submissive women's goal is to SUBMIT. They don't fight it at all. She was clearly fighting him the whole experience. There definitely are people into this kind of play, but its not something you guess at or that serves an excuse to coerce someone --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:894071928] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent?</quote> What the fuck is this even? Do you just poke and guess at other people's kinks? Secondly, submissive women's goal is to SUBMIT. They don't fight it at all. She was clearly fighting him the whole experience.</quote> There definitely are people into this kind of play, but its not something you guess at or that serves an excuse to coerce someone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 10:47:39 PM #160:	Nelson_Mandela posted... It is getting shredded by almost everyone as a step backwards in the metoo movement. You keep saying that. What's your proof because I'm seeing a lot of people, even Aziz himself, agree the behavior was wrong. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894071950] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> It is getting shredded by almost everyone as a step backwards in the metoo movement. </quote> You keep saying that. What's your proof because I'm seeing a lot of people, even Aziz himself, agree the behavior was wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 10:48:20 PM #161:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent? What the fuck is this even? Do you just poke and guess at other people's kinks? Secondly, submissive women's goal is to SUBMIT. They don't fight it at all. She was clearly fighting him the whole experience. A kink is one step further than what the average woman enjoys. I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away. So yes, you do have to push some boundaries to see what's acceptable. He did the right thing by not having her do anything that she didn't want to do. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894071994] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent?</quote> What the fuck is this even? Do you just poke and guess at other people's kinks? Secondly, submissive women's goal is to SUBMIT. They don't fight it at all. She was clearly fighting him the whole experience.</quote> A kink is one step further than what the average woman enjoys. I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away. So yes, you do have to push some boundaries to see what's acceptable. He did the right thing by not having her do anything that she didn't want to do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 10:48:56 PM #162:	pxlated posted... TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent? What the fuck is this even? Do you just poke and guess at other people's kinks? Secondly, submissive women's goal is to SUBMIT. They don't fight it at all. She was clearly fighting him the whole experience. There definitely are people into this kind of play, but its not something you guess at or that serves an excuse to coerce someone That's my fucking point. You don't just poke and guess at a guy or girl's kink. What if you start making out and then the girl goes "alright, I'll go get my strapon." You really gonna look at that as normal behavior? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894072021] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Serious question: what if a girl's turn on/kink was being submissive? Letting the guy be, within reason, a little pushy and dominant. Should those women never get to experience that without ruining the mood with a lengthy conversation about consent?</quote> What the fuck is this even? Do you just poke and guess at other people's kinks? Secondly, submissive women's goal is to SUBMIT. They don't fight it at all. She was clearly fighting him the whole experience.</quote> There definitely are people into this kind of play, but its not something you guess at or that serves an excuse to coerce someone</quote> That's my fucking point. You don't just poke and guess at a guy or girl's kink. What if you start making out and then the girl goes "alright, I'll go get my strapon." You really gonna look at that as normal behavior?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/14/18 10:49:53 PM #163:	Nelson_Mandela posted... I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away Have you ever considered that the problem might be you? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:894072071] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away</quote> Have you ever considered that the problem might be you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 10:49:56 PM #164:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... It is getting shredded by almost everyone as a step backwards in the metoo movement. You keep saying that. What's your proof because I'm seeing a lot of people, even Aziz himself, agree the behavior was wrong. Search "Aziz" on Twitter, look at the comments under the original link. For a girl to document a bad date and post intimate details about this just screams "nutcase" to me. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072075] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> It is getting shredded by almost everyone as a step backwards in the metoo movement. </quote> You keep saying that. What's your proof because I'm seeing a lot of people, even Aziz himself, agree the behavior was wrong.</quote> Search "Aziz" on Twitter, look at the comments under the original link. For a girl to document a bad date and post intimate details about this just screams "nutcase" to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 01/14/18 10:50:34 PM #165:	It doesnt surprise me that people in your circle/places you read react to it the way you say they do. What I have seen is the opposite. And the majority of those reactions arent from "the most radicalized feminists" --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:894072104] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>It doesnt surprise me that people in your circle/places you read react to it the way you say they do. What I have seen is the opposite. And the majority of those reactions arent from "the most radicalized feminists"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 10:52:15 PM #166:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away Have you ever considered that the problem might be you? I've had relatively few sexual partners! I have many female friends and we discuss their dating/sex lives. Many of them would never have sex with a guy if he isn't aggressive with them. Shyness/lack of trying is a turn off for them. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072199] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away</quote> Have you ever considered that the problem might be you?</quote> I've had relatively few sexual partners! I have many female friends and we discuss their dating/sex lives. Many of them would never have sex with a guy if he isn't aggressive with them. Shyness/lack of trying is a turn off for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 10:54:59 PM #167:	I really wish people like Rock and pxelated would stop treating women like delicate little victims who aren't capable of arousal from men who aren't perfect gentlemen. It's actually as far from feminism as you can get. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072342] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>I really wish people like Rock and pxelated would stop treating women like delicate little victims who aren't capable of arousal from men who aren't perfect gentlemen. It's actually as far from feminism as you can get.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 01/14/18 10:56:45 PM #168:	I never said anything like that. What I said was "pulling out your dick after someone says no isn't cool". There's a big difference. --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:894072445] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>I never said anything like that. What I said was "pulling out your dick after someone says no isn't cool". There's a big difference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 01/14/18 10:57:22 PM #169:	Aziz did seem to be too aggressive. But Seph isnt wrong that a common part of hooking up is trying to turn a no into a yes. From the initial meeting at the bar or wherever, to having sex. Women playing hard to get IS a thing. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:894072480] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Aziz did seem to be too aggressive. But Seph isnt wrong that a common part of hooking up is trying to turn a no into a yes. From the initial meeting at the bar or wherever, to having sex. Women playing hard to get IS a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 10:57:26 PM #170:	I wish you wouldn't look at an encounter where a woman is repeatedly made uncomfortable as the only way to court a woman. I thought Republicans gave a shit about chivalry. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894072483] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>I wish you wouldn't look at an encounter where a woman is repeatedly made uncomfortable as the only way to court a woman. I thought Republicans gave a shit about chivalry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 10:57:55 PM #171:	pxlated posted... I never said anything like that. What I said was "pulling out your dick after someone says no isn't cool". There's a big difference. Yes she hated it so much that she tried to suck it off of him! --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072505] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote>I never said anything like that. What I said was "pulling out your dick after someone says no isn't cool". There's a big difference.</quote> Yes she hated it so much that she tried to suck it off of him!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 10:59:24 PM #172:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Aziz did seem to be too aggressive. But Seph isnt wrong that a common part of hooking up is trying to turn a no into a yes. From the initial meeting at the bar or wherever, to having sex. Women playing hard to get IS a thing. Thank you Also I would argue that his aggressiveness was validated by her reactions. She went home with him and let him eat her out for Christ's sake. Was he supposed to repeatedly check in with her after that? --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072584] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Aziz did seem to be too aggressive. But Seph isnt wrong that a common part of hooking up is trying to turn a no into a yes. From the initial meeting at the bar or wherever, to having sex. Women playing hard to get IS a thing.</quote> Thank you Also I would argue that his aggressiveness was validated by her reactions. She went home with him and let him eat her out for Christ's sake. Was he supposed to repeatedly check in with her after that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/14/18 10:59:25 PM #173:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away Have you ever considered that the problem might be you? I've had relatively few sexual partners! I have many female friends and we discuss their dating/sex lives. Many of them would never have sex with a guy if he isn't aggressive with them. Shyness/lack of trying is a turn off for them. Do you want to have sex? isnt a lack of trying to have sex --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:894072586] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away</quote> Have you ever considered that the problem might be you?</quote> I've had relatively few sexual partners! I have many female friends and we discuss their dating/sex lives. Many of them would never have sex with a guy if he isn't aggressive with them. Shyness/lack of trying is a turn off for them.</quote> Do you want to have sex? isnt a lack of trying to have sex</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 01/14/18 11:00:25 PM #174:	Yes, thanks for reinforcing the fact that you understand nothing about the pressure and how fucking shitty it can be to be in a situation like this. Especially when the person doing it is fucking famous. Having had shit like this happen to me, trust me. It's not fun. And it's not as easy as just leaving. --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:894072645] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Yes, thanks for reinforcing the fact that you understand nothing about the pressure and how fucking shitty it can be to be in a situation like this. Especially when the person doing it is fucking famous. Having had shit like this happen to me, trust me. It's not fun. And it's not as easy as just leaving.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 11:00:37 PM #175:	BTW, I don't treat women as "delicate little victims." I treat women as human beings, with their own thoughts, wants, and desires. I trust myself enough to not have to work a no into a yes. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894072657] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>BTW, I don't treat women as "delicate little victims." I treat women as human beings, with their own thoughts, wants, and desires. I trust myself enough to not have to work a no into a yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:01:26 PM #176:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away Have you ever considered that the problem might be you? I've had relatively few sexual partners! I have many female friends and we discuss their dating/sex lives. Many of them would never have sex with a guy if he isn't aggressive with them. Shyness/lack of trying is a turn off for them. Do you want to have sex? isnt a lack of trying to have sex It's fucking boring and can be a turn off to make things so dry and clinical. These women are adults. People need to stop treating them like they don't have their own free will. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072708] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>I have encountered very few women who like to overtly say yes right away</quote> Have you ever considered that the problem might be you?</quote> I've had relatively few sexual partners! I have many female friends and we discuss their dating/sex lives. Many of them would never have sex with a guy if he isn't aggressive with them. Shyness/lack of trying is a turn off for them.</quote> Do you want to have sex? isnt a lack of trying to have sex</quote> It's fucking boring and can be a turn off to make things so dry and clinical. These women are adults. People need to stop treating them like they don't have their own free will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 01/14/18 11:02:01 PM #177:	And yes, while persistence is a thing people do, Aziz crossed a line. Several times apparently. But it doesnt surprise me that you don't understand nuance. --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:894072732] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>And yes, while persistence is a thing people do, Aziz crossed a line. Several times apparently. But it doesnt surprise me that you don't understand nuance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:02:30 PM #178:	TheRock1525 posted... I trust myself enough to not have to work a no into a yes. That kind of attitude would be a major turn off for the majority of women I know --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072762] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I trust myself enough to not have to work a no into a yes.</quote> That kind of attitude would be a major turn off for the majority of women I know</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:03:42 PM #179:	pxlated posted... And yes, while persistence is a thing people do, Aziz crossed a line. Several times apparently. But it doesnt surprise me that you don't understand nuance. The consequence of his over persistence should be that he doesn't get laid by her or get a second date. Not being accused of sexual assault. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072833] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote>And yes, while persistence is a thing people do, Aziz crossed a line. Several times apparently. But it doesnt surprise me that you don't understand nuance.</quote> The consequence of his over persistence should be that he doesn't get laid by her or get a second date. Not being accused of sexual assault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 11:03:57 PM #180:	Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894072847] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:04:51 PM #181:	pxlated posted... Yes, thanks for reinforcing the fact that you understand nothing about the pressure and how fucking shitty it can be to be in a situation like this. Especially when the person doing it is fucking famous. Having had shit like this happen to me, trust me. It's not fun. And it's not as easy as just leaving. Poor little baby The woman is 22 years old. I have enough respect for women to trust that she can make her own decisions. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072884] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, thanks for reinforcing the fact that you understand nothing about the pressure and how fucking shitty it can be to be in a situation like this. Especially when the person doing it is fucking famous. Having had shit like this happen to me, trust me. It's not fun. And it's not as easy as just leaving.</quote> Poor little baby The woman is 22 years old. I have enough respect for women to trust that she can make her own decisions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 11:05:14 PM #182:	Nelson_Mandela posted... pxlated posted... And yes, while persistence is a thing people do, Aziz crossed a line. Several times apparently. But it doesnt surprise me that you don't understand nuance. The consequence of his over persistence should be that he doesn't get laid by her or get a second date. Not being accused of sexual assault. Probably shouldn't try to sexually assault women if he doesn't want to get accused of it. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894072904] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote>And yes, while persistence is a thing people do, Aziz crossed a line. Several times apparently. But it doesnt surprise me that you don't understand nuance.</quote> The consequence of his over persistence should be that he doesn't get laid by her or get a second date. Not being accused of sexual assault.</quote> Probably shouldn't try to sexually assault women if he doesn't want to get accused of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:05:23 PM #183:	TheRock1525 posted... Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person. Ugh Jesus --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894072918] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person.</quote> Ugh Jesus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 11:06:02 PM #184:	Nelson_Mandela posted... I have enough respect for women to trust that she can make her own decisions. And she decided it was sexual assault, so why aren't you trusting her decisions now? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894072951] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>I have enough respect for women to trust that she can make her own decisions.</quote> And she decided it was sexual assault, so why aren't you trusting her decisions now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/14/18 11:06:31 PM #185:	Nelson_Mandela posted... pxlated posted... Yes, thanks for reinforcing the fact that you understand nothing about the pressure and how fucking shitty it can be to be in a situation like this. Especially when the person doing it is fucking famous. Having had shit like this happen to me, trust me. It's not fun. And it's not as easy as just leaving. Poor little baby The woman is 22 years old. I have enough respect for women to trust that she can make her own decisions. But not enough to respect her opinion on the matter afterwards --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:894072988] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, thanks for reinforcing the fact that you understand nothing about the pressure and how fucking shitty it can be to be in a situation like this. Especially when the person doing it is fucking famous. Having had shit like this happen to me, trust me. It's not fun. And it's not as easy as just leaving.</quote> Poor little baby The woman is 22 years old. I have enough respect for women to trust that she can make her own decisions.</quote> But not enough to respect her opinion on the matter afterwards</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 11:07:09 PM #186:	Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person. Ugh Jesus Sorry that I'm much better at winning women over that they want me to come back and fuck them instead of inviting them over and hoping I can convince them in my house. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894073024] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person.</quote> Ugh Jesus</quote> Sorry that I'm much better at winning women over that they want me to come back and fuck them instead of inviting them over and hoping I can convince them in my house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:07:41 PM #187:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... I have enough respect for women to trust that she can make her own decisions. And she decided it was sexual assault, so why aren't you trusting her decisions now? Did she make that decision while she let him go down on her or when she blew him? You're not allowed to decide you were assaulted because you regret your own choices after the fact --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894073052] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>I have enough respect for women to trust that she can make her own decisions.</quote> And she decided it was sexual assault, so why aren't you trusting her decisions now?</quote> Did she make that decision while she let him go down on her or when she blew him? You're not allowed to decide you were assaulted because you regret your own choices after the fact</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 01/14/18 11:07:51 PM #188:	Sephy's argument in this topic is like if someone didn't understand Dennis Reynolds' "implication" speech was being said by a total scumbag, and wasn't something to serve as a personal mantra in real life. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:894073064] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Sephy's argument in this topic is like if someone didn't understand Dennis Reynolds' "implication" speech was being said by a total scumbag, and wasn't something to serve as a personal mantra in real life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/14/18 11:09:20 PM #189:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Did she make that decision while she let him go down on her or when she blew him? Probably when she was saying she didnt want to do anything with him in the moment --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:894073142] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> Did she make that decision while she let him go down on her or when she blew him? </quote> Probably when she was saying she didnt want to do anything with him in the moment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:09:29 PM #190:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person. Ugh Jesus Sorry that I'm much better at winning women over that they want me to come back and fuck them instead of inviting them over and hoping I can convince them in my house. Oh so you directly establish that you are going home to have sex while you're out at dinner? Fun! --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894073148] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person.</quote> Ugh Jesus</quote> Sorry that I'm much better at winning women over that they want me to come back and fuck them instead of inviting them over and hoping I can convince them in my house.</quote> Oh so you directly establish that you are going home to have sex while you're out at dinner? Fun!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:10:20 PM #191:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Did she make that decision while she let him go down on her or when she blew him? Probably when she was saying she didnt want to do anything with him in the moment To which he replied "it's no fun unless we are both into it" and got her a cab. Monster! --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894073197] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> Did she make that decision while she let him go down on her or when she blew him? </quote> Probably when she was saying she didnt want to do anything with him in the moment</quote> To which he replied "it's no fun unless we are both into it" and got her a cab. Monster!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/14/18 11:12:00 PM #192:	Seph, what were your thoughts on Trumps Grab em by the pussy, dont even wait strategy? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:894073281] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Seph, what were your thoughts on Trumps Grab em by the pussy, dont even wait strategy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:12:52 PM #193:	Anyway maybe someone else wants to weigh in but I'm thoroughly convinced that rock, pxl, and inviso represent the fringes of society who are completely out of touch with the realities of human interaction. Probably no convincing you all otherwise! --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894073323] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Anyway maybe someone else wants to weigh in but I'm thoroughly convinced that rock, pxl, and inviso represent the fringes of society who are completely out of touch with the realities of human interaction. Probably no convincing you all otherwise!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:14:26 PM #194:	Jakyl25 posted... Seph, what were your thoughts on Trumps Grab em by the pussy, dont even wait strategy? Literal assault But if a girl comes home with you and starts hooking up with you after a date? Grab her pussy gently! --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894073394] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Seph, what were your thoughts on Trumps Grab em by the pussy, dont even wait strategy?</quote> Literal assault But if a girl comes home with you and starts hooking up with you after a date? Grab her pussy gently!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 01/14/18 11:15:19 PM #195:	Nelson_Mandela posted... To which he replied "it's no fun unless we are both into it" and got her a cab. Monster! Here's the quote in question: He said, Oh, of course, its only fun if were both having fun. The response was technically very sweet and acknowledging the fact that I was very uncomfortable. Verbally, in that moment, he acknowledged that I needed to take it slow. Then he said, Lets just chill over here on the couch. In between him saying this and calling a cab, these things happened: Ansari instructed her to turn around. He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable. Halfway into the encounter, he led her from the couch to a different part of his apartment. He said he had to show her something. Then he brought her to a large mirror, bent her over and asked her again, Where do you want me to fuck you? Do you want me to fuck you right here? He rammed his penis against her ass while he said it, pantomiming intercourse. While the TV played in the background, he kissed her again, stuck his fingers down her throat again, and moved to undo her pants. She turned away. She remembers feeling in a different mindset at that point. I remember saying, You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same. Ansari asked her what she meant. When she turned to answer, she says he met her with gross, forceful kisses. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:894073443] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>To which he replied "it's no fun unless we are both into it" and got her a cab. Monster!</quote> Here's the quote in question: <quote>He said, Oh, of course, its only fun if were both having fun. The response was technically very sweet and acknowledging the fact that I was very uncomfortable. Verbally, in that moment, he acknowledged that I needed to take it slow. Then he said, Lets just chill over here on the couch.</quote> In between him saying this and calling a cab, these things happened: <quote>Ansari instructed her to turn around. He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable.</quote> <quote>Halfway into the encounter, he led her from the couch to a different part of his apartment. He said he had to show her something. Then he brought her to a large mirror, bent her over and asked her again, Where do you want me to fuck you? Do you want me to fuck you right here? He rammed his penis against her ass while he said it, pantomiming intercourse.</quote> <quote>While the TV played in the background, he kissed her again, stuck his fingers down her throat again, and moved to undo her pants. She turned away. She remembers feeling in a different mindset at that point.</quote> <quote>I remember saying, You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same. Ansari asked her what she meant. When she turned to answer, she says he met her with gross, forceful kisses.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/14/18 11:15:48 PM #196:	Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person. Ugh Jesus Sorry that I'm much better at winning women over that they want me to come back and fuck them instead of inviting them over and hoping I can convince them in my house. Oh so you directly establish that you are going home to have sex while you're out at dinner? Fun! No, it's more like I respect the woman's desires and therefore let what's going to happen, happen, and don't throw a fit and try to force myself onto her if she doesn't want to. And that method has worked out fine. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:894073475] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person.</quote> Ugh Jesus</quote> Sorry that I'm much better at winning women over that they want me to come back and fuck them instead of inviting them over and hoping I can convince them in my house.</quote> Oh so you directly establish that you are going home to have sex while you're out at dinner? Fun!</quote> No, it's more like I respect the woman's desires and therefore let what's going to happen, happen, and don't throw a fit and try to force myself onto her if she doesn't want to. And that method has worked out fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 01/14/18 11:16:46 PM #197:	Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... I trust myself enough to not have to work a no into a yes. That kind of attitude would be a major turn off for the majority of women I know Do you have a single argument that isn't based on anecdotal evidence? --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:894073526] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I trust myself enough to not have to work a no into a yes.</quote> That kind of attitude would be a major turn off for the majority of women I know</quote> Do you have a single argument that isn't based on anecdotal evidence?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:17:57 PM #198:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person. Ugh Jesus Sorry that I'm much better at winning women over that they want me to come back and fuck them instead of inviting them over and hoping I can convince them in my house. Oh so you directly establish that you are going home to have sex while you're out at dinner? Fun! No, it's more like I respect the woman's desires and therefore let what's going to happen, happen, and don't throw a fit and try to force myself onto her if she doesn't want to. And that method has worked out fine. Try it the other way sometime. It's a great feeling to touch someone the right way to make them change their mind and decide that they now want to have sex. Again, that's kinda the point of foreplay. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894073587] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the persistence should occur long before you're alone with another person.</quote> Ugh Jesus</quote> Sorry that I'm much better at winning women over that they want me to come back and fuck them instead of inviting them over and hoping I can convince them in my house.</quote> Oh so you directly establish that you are going home to have sex while you're out at dinner? Fun!</quote> No, it's more like I respect the woman's desires and therefore let what's going to happen, happen, and don't throw a fit and try to force myself onto her if she doesn't want to. And that method has worked out fine.</quote> Try it the other way sometime. It's a great feeling to touch someone the right way to make them change their mind and decide that they now want to have sex. Again, that's kinda the point of foreplay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 01/14/18 11:18:38 PM #199:	Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... I trust myself enough to not have to work a no into a yes. That kind of attitude would be a major turn off for the majority of women I know Do you have a single argument that isn't based on anecdotal evidence? Like what? Statistics of anecdotal preferences? --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:894073628] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I trust myself enough to not have to work a no into a yes.</quote> That kind of attitude would be a major turn off for the majority of women I know</quote> Do you have a single argument that isn't based on anecdotal evidence?</quote> Like what? Statistics of anecdotal preferences?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 01/14/18 11:19:33 PM #200:	Isn't the bigger news that Jean Ralphio is less of a perv than Tommy Haverford? --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:894073670] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>Isn't the bigger news that Jean Ralphio is less of a perv than Tommy Haverford?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 01/14/18 11:27:47 PM #201:	scarletspeed7 posted... Isn't the bigger news that Jean Ralphio is less of a perv than Tommy Haverford? holy shit --- Thus is our treaty written, thus is our agreement made. Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was asked is given; the price is paid. ARF <cite>NFUN posted [p:894074090] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't the bigger news that Jean Ralphio is less of a perv than Tommy Haverford?</quote> holy shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainOfCrush 01/14/18 11:32:39 PM #202:	I'm with Seph here. Aziz doesn't sound like a predator - just a dude who tried to get more than she was offering, but what was done appeared (even from her account solely) consensual. Then she left and he never restrained her from doing so. The account suggests a girl who regretted the whole evening and decided to ruin his character because of it. And I'm sorry, but the line about the wine immediately jumped out to me as ridiculous. "The wine was white. I like red and didn't get to choose, but it was wine." Who the fuck writes like that UNLESS they're trying to insinuate something? Hope the poor bug eyed dude doesn't lose his career over this, but it doesn't seem like he will. --- Yoblazer http://i.imgur.com/gByqgPg.gif <cite>CaptainOfCrush posted [p:894074336] in Politics C... [t:76185432]...</cite> <quote>I'm with Seph here. Aziz doesn't sound like a predator - just a dude who tried to get more than she was offering, but what was done appeared (even from her account solely) consensual. Then she left and he never restrained her from doing so. The account suggests a girl who regretted the whole evening and decided to ruin his character because of it. And I'm sorry, but the line about the wine immediately jumped out to me as ridiculous. "The wine was white. I like red and didn't get to choose, but it was wine." Who the fuck writes like that UNLESS they're trying to insinuate something? Hope the poor bug eyed dude doesn't lose his career over this, but it doesn't seem like he will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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