Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 209: Lord of the Lies

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By decree of the president, Kansas City has now been annexed to St. Louis. And renamed Trumpgrad.
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If the police are fighting "rival gangs", would that mean the police are also a gang?
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I see what youre going for, but the way he intended it is still grammatically fine

Just geographically challenged
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Cohen filings are in:

A lot in them - both SDNY and Mueller - but some of the things I'm seeing reported out.

SDNY says Cohen committed campaign finance crimes "in coordination with and at the direction of Individual 1" (Trump)

SDNY also says that even giving him some credit for helping Mueller that Cohen should receive a "substantial term of imprisonment"

Mueller's office says in November 2015 Cohen got the contact info of and spoke with a Russian who claimed to be trusted in the Russian Federation and could offer the campaign "political synergy" and "synergy on a government level"

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1071159048584609792

Also yooooooooooo the highlighted part of this footnote: https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1071161560213700610

"Defendant admitted that this account was false and that he had in fact conferred with Individual 1 about contacting the Russian government before reaching out to gauge Russia's interest in such a meeting."
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xp1337 posted...

SDNY also says that even giving him some credit for helping Mueller that Cohen should receive a "substantial term of imprisonment"

Between this and Manafort, holy shit how much info did Flynn give

Reg posted...

xp1337 posted...

SDNY also says that even giving him some credit for helping Mueller that Cohen should receive a "substantial term of imprisonment"

Between this and Manafort, holy shit how much info did Flynn give

FWIW, that was what SDNY said about Cohen. Mueller's office seems to have gone "We take no position on what you do about a sentence. He went to significant lengths to assist though."

Don't think SDNY was involved with Flynn, that was just Mueller.

And we still have the Manafort filing later today, but it sounds like we're definitely going to redacted town. Saw a reporter mention that Mueller's office wanted it sealed but the judge said nope. So yeah, expect redactions everywhere.

Edit: Also, the guidelines would have Cohen face 5 years. He asked for 0. SDNY was like "eh he helped Mueller so let's call it like 3.5"
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Nbc reporting that Charlottesville alt-right murderer was found guilty on all ten accounts, including first degree murder.
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Im still not convinced Individual 1 is Trump

All we know is that it was someone who ran a 2016 Presidential campaign and also became President of the United States in January 2017 right?

The field is wide open
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Peace___Frog posted...

Nbc reporting that Charlottesville alt-right murderer was found guilty on all ten accounts, including first degree murder.

If he gets first degree, they should throw the book at the Daily Stormer shitheads for being accomplices
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xp1337 posted...

FWIW, that was what SDNY said about Cohen. Mueller's office seems to have gone "We take no position on what you do about a sentence. He went to significant lengths to assist though."

Yeah, I know the difference between the two. I'm just having a lot of trouble putting "significant lengths to assist" plus "Significant jail time" in context of "We recommend no jail time for Flynn"

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1071162131456909312?s=21

The current topic at the right-wing American Priority Conference in DC: "Why you should subscribe to PewDiePie." Perhaps a dozen people are in the audience.

Conservatives are weird
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Flynn probably knew a lot more about the Russia connection to his campaign than even Trump himself did, and thusly Cohen
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Jakyl25 posted...

Flynn probably knew a lot more about the Russia connection to his campaign than even Trump himself did, and thusly Cohen

Flynn literally conspired to kidnap a legal US Resident and send him to Turkey (Where he'd very likely be tortured and killed, not quite unlike Jamal Khashoggi.

And the Manafort filing is in too.

Mueller's office says Manafort lied to them and the FBI about: his contact with Trump administration officials, a Russian political consultant, a wire transfer, and info related to another DOJ investigation.

https://www.axios.com/paul-manafort-lied-repeatedly-mueller-investigation-c67891d1-5c91-4e2c-b6ae-848894313564.html
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Please raise your hand if you are surprised about traitorous liars trying to lie to federal investigators.
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My only explanation for them thinking they could get away with it is an honest belief that Trump was stupid enough to have shut this thing down before it was too late.
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LapisLazuli posted...

My only explanation for them thinking they could get away with it is an honest belief that Trump was stupid enough to have shut this thing down before it was too late.

Or hoping for pardons.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1071162131456909312?s=21

The current topic at the right-wing American Priority Conference in DC: "Why you should subscribe to PewDiePie." Perhaps a dozen people are in the audience.

Conservatives are weird

I firmly believe PewDiePie has done more to advance the alt-right than literally any other person in the entire world.
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Looks like the Mueller investigation is basically over with nothing indicting Trump.

Pretty much as expected.
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Also, looks like Crooked Hillary is going down along with her crooked foundation. good riddance I say.
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You are a load of bull.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cohen-mueller-memos/index.html

The document pretty much implies that Trump is a co-conspirator. Try harder next time.
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Lol who is this guy and who's he foolin'.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Lol who is this guy and who's he foolin'.

A trumpster who is celebrating the fact that Trump's nominee for AG has gone on record saying there should be another Clinton investigation while down playing the Russian investigation. It's like they aren't hiding how corrupt they are.

The report pretty much confirmed that Trump has been in cohoots with Russia since 2015.
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Umitencho posted...

You are a load of bull.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cohen-mueller-memos/index.html

The document pretty much implies that Trump is a co-conspirator. Try harder next time.

Cohen didn't say anything to indict Trump and Manafort lied about some things.

There's literally nothing there.
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Cyrlous posted...

Umitencho posted...

You are a load of bull.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cohen-mueller-memos/index.html

The document pretty much implies that Trump is a co-conspirator. Try harder next time.

Cohen didn't say anything to indict Trump and Manafort lied about some things.

There's literally nothing there.

Thanks for letting me know you didn't read the report.

Let's see what federal prosecutors have to say about the report:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/federal-prosecutors-concluded-that-president-of-the-united-states-committed-a-felony/
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I think the headline out of the Cohen and Manafort filings is that federal prosecutors have concluded that Trump committed a felony (in coordination with and at the direction of...). However, the plotline I'm most curious in is definitely the footnote from Mueller's memo saying Cohen conferred with Trump about contacting the Russian government (after having lied about it previously.)
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whose alt is this

Paratroopa1 posted...

whose alt is this

Trump's
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Cyrlous posted...

Umitencho posted...

You are a load of bull.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cohen-mueller-memos/index.html

The document pretty much implies that Trump is a co-conspirator. Try harder next time.

Cohen didn't say anything to indict Trump and Manafort lied about some things.

There's literally nothing there.

Went ahead a dug some stuff for you directly from the report itself:

Page 11 of the Report:

In particular, and as Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1.

And just so we have no question of who Individual-1 is(also page 11):

On approximately June 16, 2015, Individual-1, for whom Cohen worked at the time, began an ultimately successful campaign for President of the United States.

Your boy Trump is a un-convicted Felon. So much for the party of morals & responsibility.
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Still catching up on this page, but can you imagine if Trump were referred to as Individual-2 instead? Just to drive him South Park Bono crazy about being the first?
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1071162131456909312?s=21

The current topic at the right-wing American Priority Conference in DC: "Why you should subscribe to PewDiePie." Perhaps a dozen people are in the audience.

Conservatives are weird

I firmly believe PewDiePie has done more to advance the alt-right than literally any other person in the entire world.

The comments on Pornhub are littered with subscribe to PewDiePie, I wondered what that was about.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The comments on Pornhub are littered with subscribe to PewDiePie, I wondered what that was about.

That probably has more to do with his subscriber war with T-Series, which from what I understand is like Indian VEVO

Hes the most subscribed to channel on YouTube, but now this Indian corporate channel is almost passing him, so its become A WAR FOR YOUTUBES SOUL

As if if he gets passed by the T-Series channel it means something actually changed
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Also who the fuck reads porn site comment sections?
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Wow, people are sure triggered that Trump isn't implicated in anything.

Must be a very sad and depressing day for you guys.
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Cyrlous posted...

Wow, people are sure triggered that Trump isn't implicated in anything.

Must be a very sad and depressing day for you guys.

Page 11 of the Report:

In particular, and as Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1.

And just so we have no question of who Individual-1 is(also page 11):

On approximately June 16, 2015, Individual-1, for whom Cohen worked at the time, began an ultimately successful campaign for President of the United States.

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do you think you're going to get anything out of responding to this guy

Wow, people are sure triggered that Trump isn't implicated in anything.

Must be a very sad and depressing day for you guys.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

do you think you're going to get anything out of responding to this guy

Yeah, you are right. Should have figured he was a troll.
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I know you guys are super bummed, but it's ok.

The good news is, we have another 6 years of President Trump!
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but the reports have nothing to do with collusion and all to do with Trump reallocating campaign finances to pay off women he banged, right?
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I will correct you.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

So correct me if I'm wrong, but the reports have nothing to do with collusion and all to do with Trump reallocating campaign finances to pay off women he banged, right?

Yeah basically, and that's not even proven.

So really a nothingburger, which is why this thread has sorta died, because the usuals are drinking themselves into a stupor.
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OK seriously is this MWC?
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It cant be. Too nonchalant
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LapisLazuli posted...

I will correct you.

I'm not even kidding. Please point me to anything implicating Russian collusion. I am only seeing the campaign finance stuff on Twitter.
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You could just read the report where they reveal he has been with the Russians for years.
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I still don't understand why it matters if they worked with Russia. Our politicians work with Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, etc. daily. We are not at war with Russia. Maybe the best ending to this is the Supreme Court finds that our laws against foreign collusion are unconstitutional for violating the 1st Amendment for freedom of association and freedom of speech. They already said money is speech, right?
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red sox 777 posted...

I still don't understand why it matters if they worked with Russia. Our politicians work with Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, etc. daily. We are not at war with Russia. Maybe the best ending to this is the Supreme Court finds that our laws against foreign collusion are unconstitutional for violating the 1st Amendment for freedom of association and freedom of speech. They already said money is speech, right?

Colluding with Foreign Nations to manipulate the outcome of the American elections is illegal. We aren't talking about simple statements of giving a candidate vocal support, we are talking about hacking opposition communications, ect. As far as the money goes, the money is meant to come from American citizens, when you have a foreign nation pouring in lots of money into a candidate's election, there is a chance he isn't even thinking about the constituents who aligns with their views let alone the nation that they have to govern as a whole. If you are ok with another nation having a bigger voice in America's domestic policy than the citizenry, and ok with opposition candidates being hacked by foreign nations(sorry no amount of cash is gonna protect a candidate from state sponsored hacking from nations like Russia) then I have nothing to say. Also, you might want to research the Supreme Court a bit. As much as they have expanded the 1st Amendment, they have put limitations on it.

Nelson_Mandela posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

I will correct you.

I'm not even kidding. Please point me to anything implicating Russian collusion. I am only seeing the campaign finance stuff on Twitter.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/special-counsel-mueller-filing-russia-reached-trump-campaign-59689583
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Umitencho posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I still don't understand why it matters if they worked with Russia. Our politicians work with Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, etc. daily. We are not at war with Russia. Maybe the best ending to this is the Supreme Court finds that our laws against foreign collusion are unconstitutional for violating the 1st Amendment for freedom of association and freedom of speech. They already said money is speech, right?

Colluding with Foreign Nations to manipulate the outcome of the American elections is illegal. We aren't talking about simple statements of giving a candidate vocal support, we are talking about hacking opposition communications, ect. As far as the money goes, the money is meant to come from American citizens, when you have a foreign nation pouring in lots of money into a candidate's election, there is a chance he isn't even thinking about the constituents who aligns with their views let alone the nation that they have to govern as a whole. If you are ok with another nation having a bigger voice in America's domestic policy than the citizenry, and ok with opposition candidates being hacked by foreign nations(sorry no amount of cash is gonna protect a candidate from state sponsored hacking from nations like Russia) then I have nothing to say. Also, you might want to research the Supreme Court a bit. As much as they have expanded the 1st Amendment, they have put limitations on it.

Nelson_Mandela posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

I will correct you.

I'm not even kidding. Please point me to anything implicating Russian collusion. I am only seeing the campaign finance stuff on Twitter.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/special-counsel-mueller-filing-russia-reached-trump-campaign-59689583

"Russia reached out to Trump"

I guess we'd better prosecute Russia then.

Seriously, your lack of reading comprehension is astounding.
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I still don't understand why it matters if they worked with Russia. Our politicians work with Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, etc. daily. We are not at war with Russia.

If an American became aware of foreign attacks upon fellow Americans, and chose to use this information for personal advantage rather than alerting the American authorities and their countrymen of the threat, then their actions are morally reprehensible.
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