Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 209: Lord of the Lies
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Inviso 11/30/18 7:32:53 AM #1: |
So the Mueller investigation is hitting hard and fast now, huh?
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Peace___Frog 11/30/18 8:35:26 AM #2: |
2hard2fast
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Eddv 11/30/18 8:41:04 AM #3: |
Speaking of Republicans potentially behaving badly:
http://amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article222363510.html The fast facts: One of the Commissioners presented presented evidence of election fraud in the NC-9 house race to the Board of Elections. The evidence was reviewed in a closed session. The Board unanimously voted to not certify the results of the election. This apparently has something to do with wild irregularities regarding Bladen Countys handling of absentee votes. The Board of Elections, whose future is in very serious doubt, is having a teleconference today to discuss and possibly vote again on the matter. Its pretty unclear what's going to happen from here. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 11/30/18 9:01:29 AM #4: |
So the only actual evidence of potential voter fraud from this election is from republicans?
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MenuWars 11/30/18 9:40:53 AM #5: |
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Reg 11/30/18 9:42:17 AM #6: |
pxlated posted...
So the only actual evidence of potential voter fraud from this election is from republicans? Voter Fraud != Election Fraud One's a nonissue. One's Republican Standard Operating Procedure via egregiously awful gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc (Though I didn't think they strayed into the blatantly illegal side of it like this implies they might have) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 11/30/18 9:44:19 AM #7: |
Oh I misread, my b
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LordoftheMorons 11/30/18 11:13:55 AM #8: |
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1068442531887632384?s=21
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Jakyl25 11/30/18 11:24:10 AM #9: |
I love this Rogues Gallery metroid composite put together in the last topic
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Espeon 11/30/18 12:51:20 PM #10: |
The Dems in the House unveiled the first bill they plan to push for when they take control in January. Its big on rooting out corruption in government, so Im sure everyone on the board will back it completely.
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Umitencho 11/30/18 1:31:14 PM #11: |
Espeon posted...
The Dems in the House unveiled the first bill they plan to push for when they take control in January. Its big on rooting out corruption in government, so Im sure everyone on the board will back it completely. It will die in the Senate because McConnell, but at least in 2020 they can say they tried to govern & use that to maintain the house & flip the senate. If Mitch was smart he would allow for these bills to go to vote as it means the Mueller protection bill gets pushed back as the Senate spends time debating the bills Nancy sends up from the House which would at least counter the idea that he is 100% to a small degree as he can at least say he allowed for the Democrat's idea to get shut down by the increasingly conservative senate. How Mitch reacts to the House Bills(don't let them come to a vote or not) will set the stage for 2020 down ticket. --- 3DS FC: 4399-0076-4217 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CelesMyUserName 11/30/18 3:37:08 PM #12: |
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Eddv 11/30/18 3:43:21 PM #13: |
Eddv posted...
Speaking of Republicans potentially behaving badly: Update on this story - it seems there was systematic tampering with the absentee ballots in Bladen County (and possibly also Robeson). If there is not some way to figure out how many votes that was and which ones were fradulent to produce a more accurate count they may be forced to toss this election out entirely and re run it. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 11/30/18 4:03:48 PM #14: |
Eddv posted...
Eddv posted...Speaking of Republicans potentially behaving badly: The same issue apparently happened in the Republican primary, so I would think that (some) republicans would want this looked into as well. Also the board of elections that voted to unanimously not certify was 4 democrats, 1 independent, and 4 republicans. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 11/30/18 4:07:31 PM #15: |
Harris actually ousted a fairly popular republican incumbent by a thin margin in what was a pretty big surprise. There were weird absentee votes in that race, too.
http://www.wfae.org/post/harris-pittenger-race-unusual-bladen-county-absentee-mail-votes-poured-harris#stream/0 Harris won 96 percent of the 456 absentee-by-mail votes in Bladen, but won only 62 percent of all other votes in the county, according to state Board of Elections records. Again, that is not impossible...but 96 percent are crazy numbers and a pattern is starting to establish now in Bladen. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umitencho 11/30/18 4:28:43 PM #16: |
We need election reform.
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LapisLazuli 11/30/18 4:34:14 PM #17: |
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xp1337 11/30/18 4:37:21 PM #18: |
Yeah, I was going to post about NC-09 last night but the topic got pushed to 500 and no new one was made so it never happened.
Reg posted... pxlated posted...So the only actual evidence of potential voter fraud from this election is from republicans? Actually, we may have found the mythical ~voter fraud~ here this time. (Though with absentees, not the in-person voter fraud that VOTER ID!!!! would supposedly address. Which, you're right, is just not a thing.) Silver posted that it definitely looks weird and that this situation isn't the usual voter fraud conspiracy: https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1068335913162481664 (Silver points out, though notes it isn't necessarilly evidence, that Bladen County is the only county in the district where Rs held their ground compared to 2016, whereas in the others you see big shifts towards Dems. Also notes that it's also unclear that even if something did happen it's uncertain it'd swing the race, though he still says this whole situation is weird enough to call for AP and others to uncall the race.) Here's a WaPo piece outlying much of the facts as we know them so far: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/30/why-allegations-voter-fraud-north-carolina-are-being-treated-seriously Some of this has made the topic already, so just adding a few summaries of my own (but the read and the graphs in the article are worth reading!) In every other non-Bladen County, McCready (the Democrat) won the mail-in absentees by at least 16 points. In Bladen it was Harris (R) by 24. When you add in the early in-person voting data, Bladen stands out even more, because there are 2 counties where Harris won early in-person, but in the other - Union - despite winning early in-person by ~20, he lost the mail vote by 20. In Bladen, Harris wins the mail votes by even more than the early in-person. Bladen is also an outlier in terms of % of mail-in absentees. The state board has had 5 affidavits submitted to them describing instances of fraud. As Suprak noted, the NC Board of Elections (4D/4R/1 Unaffiliated) voted unanimously to not certify NC-09's results. As well as the fact that Harris's primary win looks shady in light of all this, although in that case even if something were proven I don't think there's a remedy for that at this point. As for NC-09, the Board of Elections could call for a new election. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 11/30/18 4:56:56 PM #19: |
(Silver points out, though notes it isn't necessarilly evidence, that Bladen County is the only county in the district where Rs held their ground compared to 2016, whereas in the others you see big shifts towards Dems. Also notes that it's also unclear that even if something did happen it's uncertain it'd swing the race, though he still says this whole situation is weird enough to call for AP and others to uncall the race.) This is another crucial point. All the weirdness is localized in one county, and it isn't clear that even *if* something untoward happened with the absentee ballots that it would actually matter in terms of who won. Again, there is no proof of anything yet, but there is at least enough circumstantial evidence to make the non-partisan board of elections not certify the race. BUT even if they did find something, I cannot say for sure the swing would be anything more than 100-200 votes, which isn't enough to do anything in this race. Worth looking into though, absolutely. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xp1337 11/30/18 8:39:58 PM #20: |
So, DOJ is facing a request from an outside group to declassify the Carter Page FISA warrant. The group is arguing their basis on Trump's tweets.
In response, the DOJ is arguing Trump has no idea what he's talking about: https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1068637546660470784 The DOJ also says that when Trump tweets about national security matters it doesn't mean his statements are accurate or that he has any personal knowledge they are correct. what a world huh --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 11/30/18 9:25:06 PM #21: |
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-heck-is-happening-in-that-north-carolina-house-race/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Suprak and xp got most of these details but Nates analysis is here. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:00:49 AM #22: |
More evidence that Ohio is lost and we should focus on different targets. Here are the popular vote margins from this year from all cumulative house races in "swing" states Trump won. These are pulled from Wikipedia "Unites States House of Representatives elections in ______, 2018"
Pennsylvania: D +9.91 Wisconsin: D +7.69 Michigan: D +7.68 Iowa: D +3.98 Arizona: D +1.06 North Carolina: R +2.04 Texas: R +3.51 Georgia: R +4.54 Montana: R +4.63 Florida: R +5.25 Ohio: R +5.27 Democrats only need to win up to Michigan (where they had a +7.68 advantage in house popular vote) to get presidency back. Iowa and Arizona look good for them too, and even North Carolina, Texas (!!!), and Georgia/Montana (!!!!) were all under 5. But in this wave year, you had Florida and Ohio at the absolute bottom of all these states that could possibly flip. We can complain about Ohio being gerrymandered all we want, but we're losing by more than five points in the house popular vote, not even considering the governor race we lost by a similar margin. Florida you could make an argument for because the senate/governors races were both extremely close and Clinton did much better in Florida in 2016 than she did in Ohio. I would not give up on Florida yet because that is still within reach for the right candidate. Ohio, however, looks to be going the way of Missouri without any trends that are encouraging to the democrats (other than Sherrod Brown who is looking more and more like a miracle Jon Tester sort of senator). Dems should poor a ton of money into Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania (and ideally pick a candidate that does well in those states). Iowa and Arizona obviously are really high priority as well, and then maybe NC too. GA/TX/MT can all be lower tier targets with an eye on future growth. Florida is fine to focus on as well, but I really think there are like five or six other states that would flip before it. Ohio can be abandoned for now imho. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:03:04 AM #23: |
Also, some of this is changing demographics, sure, but DAMN did Beto have some coattails. Much more than I even anticipated.
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ChaosTonyV4 12/01/18 12:04:11 AM #24: |
Suprak the Stud posted...
Ohio can be abandoned for now imho. Agreed, and I dont mean in a political sense. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 12/01/18 12:04:12 AM #25: |
They really took losing Lebron again hard.
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Paratroopa1 12/01/18 12:04:28 AM #26: |
There's a reason there's so much excitement for Beto
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Corrik 12/01/18 12:10:24 AM #27: |
George Bush has died. What a sad day.
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Inviso 12/01/18 12:15:23 AM #28: |
Corrik posted...
George Bush has died. What a sad day. Fuck. Even though I was still only a baby when he was in office, he's still the only president in my lifetime who won on his ability to govern, rather than just charisma winning a popularity contest. Plus, he did what needed to be done (raising taxes) even when it wasn't popular. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:17:22 AM #29: |
Paratroopa1 posted...
There's a reason there's so much excitement for Beto I wasn't quite sold until I saw those house numbers. He was running against a very unpopular senator, but the Dems in the house went from -20 to -3.5 and a lot of that was probably due to the strength of Beto. I am a bit more open to him as a national candidate now. I am still hoping for Klobuchar because I think she sweeps Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Iowa without even breaking a sweat. Corrik posted... George Bush has died. What a sad day. Sad day, indeed. I think this was probably expected/dreaded for a while now, but it is still a sad day nonetheless. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JonThePenguin 12/01/18 12:18:00 AM #30: |
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...Ohio can be abandoned for now imho. Hey now, some of us like it here. Kinda. <_< >_> <_< --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:18:44 AM #31: |
Inviso posted...
Corrik posted...George Bush has died. What a sad day. Likewise, I was a baby so I don't remember him at all. But what I've read/learned, he's probably the second best president in my lifetime imo. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 12/01/18 12:20:37 AM #32: |
All I can think of with H.W.'s death is that Simpsons episode.
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:20:38 AM #33: |
JonThePenguin posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...Suprak the Stud posted...Ohio can be abandoned for now imho. Blink twice if you need help relocating to Pennsylvania. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 12/01/18 12:23:46 AM #34: |
Ohio's a lot better than the dumpster fire that is Kentucky, that's for sure!
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LordoftheMorons 12/01/18 12:28:55 AM #35: |
Suprak the Stud posted...
Florida: R +5.25 Florida leaves uncontested races (of which there were apparently 4 for Ds, 0 for Rs) off of the ballot entirely so that number is very deceptive. I assume if you corrected for that the number wouldn't be far off in either direction from the Sen/Gov numbers. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:30:20 AM #36: |
In case you're wondering how r/the_donald is reacting to H.W.'s death...it is without as much dignity as you would expect.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/a204k7/george_hw_bush_has_passed_away_at_94_rip/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/a209fp/he_gone_rip_41/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/a208ep/george_hw_bush_dies_escapes_justice_for_the_last/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/a20824/rip_president_bush_is_it_safe_to_release_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/a2068e/george_hw_bush_dead_at_94/ In case you don't lurk at the dark, tepid depths of the internet, George H.W. Bush is "bad" because he is: 1) a globalist swamp creature 2) weak on immigration 3) assassinated JFK 4) wait, what? --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:31:00 AM #37: |
LordoftheMorons posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...Florida: R +5.25 Oh, good to know! Thanks for the heads up, I was unaware. That likely does explain the gap between the house and the other races. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 12/01/18 12:32:24 AM #38: |
Suprak the Stud posted...
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:32:28 AM #39: |
Suprak the Stud posted...
In case you're wondering how r/the_donald is reacting to H.W.'s death...it is without as much dignity as you would expect. Oh, and yes, QAnon predicted that charges were coming for all the global pedophiles soon, so the theory is already bubbling up there that George H.W. Bush, a 94 year old man with health issues, committed suicide to escape justice. This is a place reddit allows to operate without any repercussions. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 12/01/18 12:32:54 AM #40: |
I actually only know that because it was the likely explanation for why there were so many undervotes for Senator in FL-24!
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Suprak the Stud 12/01/18 12:36:44 AM #41: |
Even without that information, Florida still looks very competitive. Gillum was extraordinarily liberal and still almost won, and Scott was the strongest all of republican competitors and Nelson was literally a hair away. But it makes Florida even more appealing in 2020!
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Maniac64 12/01/18 12:56:22 AM #42: |
StealThisSheen posted...
Ohio's a lot better than the dumpster fire that is Kentucky, that's for sure! I'll take Kentucky over Georgia. --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 12/01/18 1:02:23 AM #43: |
Suprak the Stud posted...
In case you're wondering how r/the_donald is reacting to H.W.'s death...it is without as much dignity as you would expect. man how many people assassinated JFK --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Janus5k 12/01/18 1:17:59 AM #44: |
What, you haven't?
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kevwaffles 12/01/18 2:49:56 AM #45: |
I can only assume assassinating JFK is code for "was alive that day".
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Jakyl25 12/01/18 4:35:40 AM #46: |
https://twitter.com/jules_su/status/1068637724608000000?s=21
Feel so sad for Trump here realizing hes not best buds with either --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 12/01/18 4:41:16 AM #47: |
https://twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1068650461304102913?s=21
In case you were wondering --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 12/01/18 4:43:41 AM #48: |
Jakyl25 posted...
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Corrik 12/01/18 9:08:13 AM #49: |
We won! Suck it, libs!
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Jakyl25 12/01/18 10:03:43 AM #50: |
BabylonBee
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