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UnfairRepresent
11/19/19 8:58:28 AM
#1:


You're at home one evening playing your favorite video game when suddenly the light is blacked out by Batgirl making an impressive entrance.

She's panicked and says "I need your help. Cobblepot has kidnapped billionaire Bruce Wayne and his young ward Dick Grayson!

He's threatening to kill them in 1 hour unless Batman takes their place as a hostage. Unfortunately Batman and Robin are.... a little tied up at the moment and so I need your help "

She then throws a Batman costume in your size at your feet.

"The bat computer says you're the closest physical match to Batman who Cobblepot or his goons won't recognize... I need you to go to the location at the docks, dont say or do anything just make the exchange and then once Bruce and Dick are safe I'll swoop in, save you and take down Cobblepot.

I hate to put you in danger but some of the cops are on Cobblepots payroll. I need a random incompetent civilian... err no offense. If you don't do this then Ba- I mean Mr Wayne and Master Grayson will die. We're both on the spot here "

she hesitates and then adds "I'm sure Mr Wayne would reward you "

How do you react?
What do you do?
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Ryven
11/19/19 9:00:51 AM
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I'd say, look Batgirl, you're a smart cookie, but so are the goons, and i'm pretty sure they'd see that Batman is a few inches shorter and like 75 pounds lighter. Pass.
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Touch
11/19/19 9:02:19 AM
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Do we get to bang after she saves me?

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gp1829
11/19/19 9:02:36 AM
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I do it. I think Billionaire Bruce Wayne would get me like and Island or something for helping out.
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Cobra1010
11/19/19 9:03:05 AM
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Rule number 6. Don't be a hero.
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R1masher
11/19/19 9:04:08 AM
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Nah, Ive seen this dream before they escape on their own as I roll over and fart
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Cobra1010
11/19/19 9:04:55 AM
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gp1829 posted...
I do it. I think Billionaire Bruce Wayne would get me like and Island or something for helping out.


Do you know how rich people stay rich though? Bruce Wayne will probably just use his connections to get you a good job offer and that will be it.

I don't see him rewarding you cash to be honest.
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ssj3vegeta_
11/19/19 9:06:51 AM
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Funkydog
11/19/19 9:07:36 AM
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I ask her if she's well or hit her head. No way a small lass like me will pass as the bat.
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Guide
11/19/19 9:14:10 AM
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Deal. Either I die or make bank, no downside.

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im not 13
11/19/19 9:15:36 AM
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Give me some of that bat p and we'll talk...
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UnfairRepresent
11/19/19 9:21:26 AM
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ssj3vegeta_ posted...
Only if she's ready to fuck right den

Shes ready to save Dick Grayson and Bruce Wayne right den

Funkydog posted...
I ask her if she's well


shes clearly not. shes beat up and panicking
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Were_Wyrm
11/19/19 9:24:41 AM
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I'm too ripped and too good looking to be Batman, they would notice right away.
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Shablagoo
11/19/19 9:27:16 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
ssj3vegeta_ posted...
Only if she's ready to fuck right den

Shes ready to save Dick


niiiice
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Paragon21XX
11/19/19 9:52:51 AM
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I'm the closest physical match? Oh dear, he must have really let himself go lately. Come to think of it, didn't Bruce Wayne also gain considerable weight?
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
11/19/19 9:55:01 AM
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Touch posted...
Do we get to bang after she saves me?

This is my only consideration.
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FabIemaster
11/19/19 10:09:44 AM
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I agree under the condition that Robin is not saved.

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UnfairRepresent
11/19/19 10:33:10 AM
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Touch posted...
Do we get to bang after she saves me?

This is my only consideration.

1. That is rape.

2. What's to stop her from saying yes, then beating the shit out of you/getting Batman to beat the shit out of you?

FabIemaster posted...
I agree under the condition that Robin is not saved.

See #2
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Guerrilla Soldier
11/19/19 10:35:06 AM
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well they're screwed

so much for relying on a random person
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
11/19/19 11:04:58 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Touch posted...
Do we get to bang after she saves me?

This is my only consideration.

1. That is rape.

2. What's to stop her from saying yes, then beating the shit out of you/getting Batman to beat the shit out of you?

FabIemaster posted...
I agree under the condition that Robin is not saved.

See #2

...Rape? Really?

Even for you that's low, UR.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
11/19/19 11:10:58 AM
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Saving superheroes? Hell yeah can't pass that up.
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EbonTitanium
11/19/19 11:32:28 AM
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It wouldn't work. I'm black.

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UnfairRepresent
11/19/19 11:36:30 AM
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Touch posted...
Do we get to bang after she saves me?

This is my only consideration.

1. That is rape.

2. What's to stop her from saying yes, then beating the shit out of you/getting Batman to beat the shit out of you?

FabIemaster posted...
I agree under the condition that Robin is not saved.

See #2

...Rape? Really?

Even for you that's low, UR.

"Have sex with me or your friends/people die" is rape

That's not consensual
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Trigg3rH4ppy
11/19/19 11:38:52 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
she hesitates and then adds "I'm sure Mr Wayne would reward you "

Sold.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
11/19/19 11:41:12 AM
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Anyone remember @BatmanOnCE or whatever their name was
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Gheb
11/19/19 11:48:54 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Touch posted...
Do we get to bang after she saves me?

This is my only consideration.

1. That is rape.

2. What's to stop her from saying yes, then beating the shit out of you/getting Batman to beat the shit out of you?

FabIemaster posted...
I agree under the condition that Robin is not saved.

See #2

...Rape? Really?

Even for you that's low, UR.

"Have sex with me or your friends/people die" is rape

That's not consensual

While it is scummy, I'm not sure that qualifies as rape. If he were the one directly threatening people to compel her for sex then it is absolutely, completely rape. But I think withholding an action that he is in no way obligated to give in exchange for sex is just super shitty and exploitative.
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Tsuyoi3
11/19/19 11:49:30 AM
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I freak at a random girl in my room, cosplaying as someone fictional and actin crazy.

Even if this were a possible scenario, I point out that if she can swoop in and save me, then she can do that for them.
But if she provides decent explanations, while I put on the suit, then I'll trust her.
Batgirl is smart, and a good person. She may just not be telling me what circumstances would lead to an overweight man being a good substitute for Batman.

Though now that I think about it, it could just be Clayface...not sure what his motive would be to trick a rando though.

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UnfairRepresent
11/19/19 11:54:19 AM
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Gheb posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Touch posted...
Do we get to bang after she saves me?

This is my only consideration.

1. That is rape.

2. What's to stop her from saying yes, then beating the shit out of you/getting Batman to beat the shit out of you?

FabIemaster posted...
I agree under the condition that Robin is not saved.

See #2

...Rape? Really?

Even for you that's low, UR.

"Have sex with me or your friends/people die" is rape

That's not consensual

While it is scummy, I'm not sure that qualifies as rape.


shut up
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Gheb
11/19/19 11:59:33 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
shut up

How dismissive of you. I figured your contrarian self would jump at the opportunity to actually argue a subject. Especially one where is definitely compelling arguments to each side.
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UnfairRepresent
11/19/19 12:14:06 PM
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Gheb posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
shut up

How dismissive of you. I figured your contrarian self would jump at the opportunity to actually argue a subject. Especially one where is definitely compelling arguments to each side.

"Actwually threatening women to have sex with you against their will isnt rape" isnt a compelling argument its MRA drihera that belongs in the dirt

Seek help
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Gheb
11/19/19 12:31:50 PM
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The problem is that I'm not sure one can truly extort someone if the extortion in question simply comes from his/her neutral state inaction. Because at its core it isn't a threat. It represents someone asking for something in exchange for doing something the person otherwise has no obligation to perform. In this case it is asking for something super shitty.

I'm in no way endorsing this action or pretending it isn't morally abhorrent, but I'm not sure it qualifies as rape through duress.
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Stagmar
11/19/19 12:48:05 PM
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Refuse. Wayne Enterprises has been trying for years to put me out of business and she would know that. Either she is in league with them to eliminate me or she's telling the truth and I won't have to worry about Mr. Wayne anymore.

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Garioshi
11/19/19 12:50:01 PM
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I'm 5'3", so no

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Guide
11/19/19 1:04:06 PM
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Gheb posted...
The problem is that I'm not sure one can truly extort someone if the extortion in question simply comes from his/her neutral state inaction. Because at its core it isn't a threat. It represents someone asking for something in exchange for doing something the person otherwise has no obligation to perform. In this case it is asking for something super shitty.

I'm in no way endorsing this action or pretending it isn't morally abhorrent, but I'm not sure it qualifies as rape through duress.


This was discussed on an episode of It's Always Sunny. Long story short, metarape is still rape.

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Gheb
11/19/19 1:21:32 PM
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Guide posted...
Gheb posted...
The problem is that I'm not sure one can truly extort someone if the extortion in question simply comes from his/her neutral state inaction. Because at its core it isn't a threat. It represents someone asking for something in exchange for doing something the person otherwise has no obligation to perform. In this case it is asking for something super shitty.

I'm in no way endorsing this action or pretending it isn't morally abhorrent, but I'm not sure it qualifies as rape through duress.


This was discussed on an episode of It's Always Sunny. Long story short, metarape is still rape.

The issue with "The Implication" is that it still took active action from Dennis to maneuver the women into a position where they couldn't say no. In this scenario, the proposed-Batman stand-in is taking no action at all. The only reason he is in the circumstance he is in is because Penguin kidnapped Batman (something he had no role in) and Batgirl approached him to be stand-in for Batman (something he had no control in). Is it truly possible to coerce someone through inaction when you had no part in the events leading up to it?

Again this is not assessing the moral aspect of it. I think we can all agree that asking for sex would be morally repugnant.
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UnfairRepresent
11/19/19 2:00:53 PM
#36:


Garioshi posted...
I'm 5'3", so no

Batsuit has lifts
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Knowledge_King
11/19/19 6:48:17 PM
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EbonTitanium posted...
It wouldn't work. I'm black.

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Dragon239
11/19/19 6:50:23 PM
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008Zulu
11/21/19 9:26:38 PM
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Only if I get to keep the costume afterwards.
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pegusus123456
11/21/19 9:29:57 PM
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If I'm the closest physical match to Batman, then he's already dead.
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Mistere Man
11/21/19 9:34:48 PM
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Damnit! Werent you unconscious on my floor a few weeks ago? Didnt Superman take care of this problem last time? Look you seem to be obsessed with me or are trying to trick me as there is no way Batman looks like Jabba the Hutt in a Batman suit. Now if you want to see me wear it for fun sure but there is no way I will risk my life on this as it wont work unless this villain is totally blind deaf and dumb.

If you are serious just call Superman again as he is around the same build as what I have seen of Batman, and he is bullet proof.
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garan
11/21/19 9:39:05 PM
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I tell Barbara that no matter how hot she is, I'm not going anywhere near Penguin. In fact, I wouldn't ever even want to set foot in Gotham, which has to be the crime capital of the U.S.

Besides, Batman should have killed him one of the previous 9000 times he's busted Penguin before.
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UnfairRepresent
11/22/19 2:56:17 AM
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garan posted...
I tell Barbara that no matter how hot she is, I'm not going anywhere near Penguin. In fact, I wouldn't ever even want to set foot in Gotham, which has to be the crime capital of the U.S.

Besides, Batman should have killed him one of the previous 9000 times he's busted Penguin before.

Batman doesn't kill
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Mistere Man
11/22/19 9:02:44 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
garan posted...
I tell Barbara that no matter how hot she is, I'm not going anywhere near Penguin. In fact, I wouldn't ever even want to set foot in Gotham, which has to be the crime capital of the U.S.

Besides, Batman should have killed him one of the previous 9000 times he's busted Penguin before.

Batman doesn't kill

Except when they do.
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