Board 8 > Board 8 Ranks: The Marvel Cinematic Universe (PHASE 1)

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Jesse_Custer posted...

Its kind of weird for me to see so many mentions of Justin Hammer. His character didnt make any impression on me and I had forgotten he even existed until reading all these write-ups. Thats not to criticize Rockwell, but I think he was wasted in a boring role.

I didn't notice how great he was until rewatches. in fact, I think my impression in my first watchthrough was that he was a shitty villain kinda like Whiplash. I didn't really *get* what he was supposed to be until a rewatch and I really appreciate that the movie even tried to do that to a major villain in the movie.

Of course, his impact is still less than it could be due to the mediocre writing of the movie in general...

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So my little sister, unprompted, just sent me this message



She did not know about this project and is honestly not even a big superhero movie person so what are the chances of this

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That's basically my take on Iron Man 2 - it's a fun mess

If only she submitted a ranking

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I wish I had a more nuanced opinion of Iron Man 2, but my blinding hatred for Robert Downey Jr trying to be funny gets in the way.

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Eddv posted...

my blinding hatred for Robert Downey Jr trying to be funny

wow i thought i was the only one!

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when we get to age of ultron, I want at least 5 jokes about the "hiding the zucchini" joke

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20. Thor
Total Score: 569

Eddv - 10
PrinceKaro 10
TomNook 11
Mr Crispy 13
CoolCly - 14
GavsEvans123 - 14
Johnbobb 15
Lopen - 16
Illuminatusbubu - 17
Maniac64 - 17
Snake5555555555 - 17
Anagram 18
Cybat - 18
XIII Rocks 18
HanOfTheNekos - 19
Inviso 19
Mega Mana 19
Paratroopa1 19
Red13n - 19
VengefulKaelee - 19
Whiskey Nick - 19
Corrik7 - 20
MetalDK 20
NBIceman 20
Raka Putra - 20
ScepterOfLove 20
ZenOfThunder 20
MetalmindStats 21
Sheep007 - 21
BetrayedTangy - 22
Jesse Custer 22
StifledSilence 22

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Eddv
Thor is at his core one of the most potentially interesting MCU characters. Hemsworth still cant act for shit back in 2011 though so there is only so high I can put this one.

PrinceKaro
The introductory film of marvel's iconic god-alien with the big hammer and tiny brain.
There is an irritating attitude in the first three movies that bespeaks a fear of seeming too 'comic-y', and this movie deals away with it in big fashion as Thor the arrogant asgardian prince is banished to earth and much craziness ensues. It is hilarious to see the powerless Thor interact with the mortals of the american southwest who all think he is either crazy or high on crystal meth.
It also introduces the first real villain of the MCU in Loki, and while this is far from his best outing he was just what was needed to break from the tired storylines of 'evil military/corporate people are being evil and corporate'.
The story finally feels as big as these kind of movies should be, and it is more concerned with having fun than trying to be cool. As far as what I think, this is where the MCU actually became the MCU.

TomNook
Thor is such a cool dude. I think some characters blow their load of charm and development in their origin story, but Thor is someone who is both still great in his, and continues to deliver.

Mr Crispy
Pretty average all around, the biggest problem with it isn't really a problem but more that it just lacks ambition. It's almost more like a two part episode in a cable tv scifi show than a big budget movie. It feels like a lot more could have been done with the fight with the Destroyer, or the final confrontation with Loki. The idea of Thor and Jane as a couple is dumb, but not offensively so like Bruce and Natasha.

CoolCly
This is a good movie. Asgard is beautiful, Thor is cool, Loki is great. Odin is wise
But it has a big problem.
Its with Thors character arc, which unfortunately the entire movie rests on. The whole structure of the movie is pinned on the idea that Thor starts the movie as a brash and reckless fool who wants to kill every frost giant with his bare hands, and at the end of the movie hes grown a little wiser and realizes how not ready for the throne he is, and that hes not better than the other races. Its the opposite problem in Captain Marvel, where Danvers starts out as a brainwashed soldier of the Kree empire and ends the movie as an actualized character. The problem there was that there was good development to show this growth.. but the character performance was the same throughout the whole movie, which makes the whole thing feel weird.
Thor is the opposite I see the difference in start of movie and end of movie Thor. They actually do feel like distinctly separate characters! The success of character growth! Except I dont see what in the movie actually provoked this change. Odin casts Thor out of Asgard and curses his hammer to remove his powers, in the hopes that Thor will learn humility. This is a great start for this arc. Thor doesnt really stop to consider the implications of this he just goes about getting his hammer back. Theres a *great* scene where he breaks into the SHIELD tent compound to get his hammer and realizes how unworthy he is when he goes to take it. The moment is very powerful as he breaks down. Then theres a great follow up scene where hes heart broken, being interrogated by SHIELD, and Loki shows up and tells him about Odin, and that Thor caused this and can never come back. This all pushes Thor further down.
Then.. Thor gets drunk with Erik Selvig who tells him to back off Natalie Portman, and Thor hangs out with Natalie Portman a little and now hes ready for the climax and has learned his lesson ??????????????????????
I dont think nearly enough was done here. The human characters just dont really hold up their end of the plot and here. Presumably Thor falls in love with Natalie Portman or whatever but I just dont see it. I feel this all needed to go further before the end of the movie.
Overall, this is a good movie. But if they had delivered on this Thor character arc, it would have been a great one.

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GavsEvans123
Thor is the first film to have a real focus on the heros character development and relationships. Although the previous films had some of this, this one is defined by Thors development from a hot-headed, arrogant young man to a true hero, as well as the relationships between him, Loki and Odin. You can tell that all three of them care for each other, even though they dont always get along. The fish-out-of-water aspect once Thor comes to Earth humbles him, and provides a different style of comedy to Iron Mans quips and quick wit.
Loki is also the first sympathetic villain. He wants his fathers approval, which makes it easy to root for him. Hes also the first big bad who poses more of a cerebral threat than a physical one, with his cunning and trickery instead of brute force like the previous villains. Its probably not a coincidence that he was the first villain to return for another film.

For some reason, this film has always reminded me of Disneys Hercules. I dont really know why, besides sharing the basic premise of a god living among mortals. Thats as good a reason as any for me to say: put Michael Bolton on the soundtrack of Love and Thunder, you cowards! Alternatively, adding the Michael Bolton version of I Can Go The Distance to Kingdom Hearts: Melody of Memory would also be acceptable. Actually, on second thought, the Kingdom Hearts thing is better, just do that.

Johnbobb
haha it was funny when he smashed his mug

Lopen
I've heard people say this movie is unnecessary to watch, boring, or whatever, but I don't really agree. The first half of this movie where you establish Asgard as being shiny and Thor is basically an idiot is hilarious and in the top tier of Marvel movies for me, and this movie's existence really helps to establish why a literal god would be inclined to meddle in mortal affairs. Yes you can just accept "Thor is here because Thor is here" and honestly this works for some of the movies like Avengers 1, but it's nice to establish his origins like this. Now that being said, why is it this low? Well the problem is that the second half after he gets a reality check (basically from when he fails to grab his hammer out of the SHIELD base or whatever) is in fact kinda boring to watch unfold. For me it feels like we're kinda just going through the flowchart of wrapping the movie up and drags a bit. Having a more gradual transition from idiot to competent and wrapping things up more swiftly when Thor gets his head in the game would do a lot for this one.

Illuminatusbubu
Thor as a movie and as a character is unremarkable in this film. If it was not for Loki, this movie will be much lower.

Maniac64
Hemsworth Thor is super fun while also having the big presence that the character needs. I really enjoyed some of the early fish out of water stuff early in the movie and of course Loki is great. But man did Destroyer end up being a disappointment. And the scientist side characters were just no where near as good as other Marvel movies. I loved the bits we saw of Asgard and wish we got more. I guess I'm just a sucker for character intro movies.

Snake5555555555
*insert other Thor movie problems here*

Anagram
Things I remember from Thor: Odin calling Thor stupid and childish, Loki pretending to fall off the bridge, and someone asking me after the movie what the deal with the archer guy was.

Cybat
I feel like this movie is kind of overlooked and lumped in with its sequel a lot of the time, and while its not dramatically better, at least based on their respective numerical rankings in this list, I do think the difference between them is not insignificant. It was arguably the funniest movie in the MCU up until Guardians of the Galaxy (depending on how you feel about Whedonisms) and the tone still fit in with the franchise at large despite being basically Shakespeare in space. At the time it came out, I was expecting it to be jarring and also not that funny since fish out of water stories are a dime a dozen, but I was pleasantly surprised on both counts. And, of course, any time we get Tom Hiddleston as Loki is a good time.

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XIII Rocks
Dutch angles
Dutch angles everywhere
So many dutch angles.
Apart from that I like how they got Kenneth Brannagh to do what is prooooobably the most "Shakespearean" MCU movie - Brannagh compared it to Henry IV/V pre-release but there's obvious very broad comparisons to be made with the fantasies too. Couple that with hiring Hopkins, who obviously nails it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEs4lUlqc6I) and you have a movie with strong acting... credibility. Props to Hemsworth and Hiddleston for doing a great job as relative unknowns. In terms of the plot, Thor's arc in the movie is obvious, but ultimately satisfying. The way Loki is handled is excellent, creating sympathy from the start for probably the MCU's greatest villain. But the movie is short on satisfying action and Thor kind of looks...weird here. Like go back and look at him. Look at his eyebrows. wtf?

HanOfTheNekos
Good action, good world building. Most of the characters, including side characters, were well-developed and heavily appreciated. I LOVED how they did Hawkeye... just a little taste of him... and he doesn't even do anything.

Coulson... the guy gets a LOT better in Avengers. But to this point, he's shown in every movie but Hulk... and Captain America? So he's basically the guy. It's nice seeing how SHIELD develops and everything, bit by bit.

I didn't really like the romance aspect of Thor. It felt cheap. Like, let's use Natalie Portman's star power, and write in a typical love story just cuz a hero needs a love story. It gives him a little bit more heroism to destroy the bridge in the end cutting her off. That said, Loki specifically told Heimdall there were other ways to travel the realms, so...

It was solid. A little more enjoyable than being completely neutral.

Inviso
As a character, Thor is great for throwing into a fish out of water storyline, because hes powerful enough to make that sort of thing funny. And in broader terms, I like his storyline over the course of the film. His character in the first quarter is basically the spoiled villain prince we see all the time in high fantasy stories, and yet he immediately gets smacked down to Earth (literally) and has to work to EARN his heroism, rather than just assuming it by way of his natural strength. Living amongst the mortals is a great way to teach him humility, and in theory, it makes his eventual resurrection feel EARNED. Similarly, I like Lokis characterization for the most part. We understand why he feels like a second fiddle to Thor, and why that might drive him to make rash and dangerous decisions. Unfortunately, I feel like having two major characters, each with their own major stories, waters down each individual story. Thors redemption is basically him being told his dad is dead, and realizing he needs to be a better person because of this. Lokis backstory is a bit cobbled together with just a LITTLE too little of a narrative through line. Its all still good, but it could have been better with a little more time (given how short the movie is.)

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Mega Mana
First Scene That comes to Mind: The Destroyer in New Mexico

There were a lot of scenes in this movie I didn't remember, particularly everything before the fight in Jotunheim and everything after the Destroyer fight. I remembered Darcy being more annoying than she was (she wasn't!), Jane being less of note (she was excellent), and Loki being more... smooth? Mercurial? instead of out-and-out villain. Like, there feels like disconnect between every scene he's in where you think for one moment he could be misunderstood and that would inform what happens next, but... it's haphazard.

Like, most of Loki's plot is a haphazard series of events and not an expert scheme. He sneaks Frost Giants in to disrupt Thor's coronation and manipulates their band to go fight in Jotunheim and break the peace so Thor will be reprimanded and Odin will keep the throne in war. But the Frost Giant origin just happens, Odin's collapse just happens, and then his actions are just smug lies and messy disasters. He's just a jerk.

I was quite entertained by the human elements of the movie, more than expected. I like Thor's growth over the course of the movie, and how he's tempered by the oath on his hammer and Loki's news of his father's passing and edicts. Again, based on future movies and how Loki is treated as a character after this movie, I was expecting more from their exchange, but Thor simply thanking his brother for the news and accepting his punishment was a really great moment for a character who'd be more prone to stubbornly resist and grouse and seek vengeance not long before. Decent enough movie. Further credit to Idris Elba, Anthony Hopkins, and Stellan Skarsgard. String!

Paratroopa1
This is the point at my list at which I effortlessly enjoy every film, so suffice to say the MCU is pretty easy to enjoy overall. Thor's a fun little movie. Fish-out-of-water stories are pretty easy to win me over with, and there's some fun situational comedy out of Thor being all like 'what's up with earth' and everyone else being all like 'what's up with Thor'. I like the scene of Thor fighting through the facility to get to the hammer and discovering he's not worthy to wield it, and his eventual self-sacrifice to regain worthiness is predictable but satisfying. There isn't a whole lot else here though. The human side cast isn't that great, and the chemistry between Thor and Jane feels like it comes out of nowhere (Thor's like a thousand years old and he just kinda falls for this human woman for no reason? I know she's Natalie Portman but still). The parts in New Mexico feel like a high-budget tv show, and Asgard doesn't feel lived in at all - it feels like one of those sterile cgi sets in the Star Wars prequels.

Red13n
This was our first taste of Thor and it was pretty clear early on that normal super serious Thor doesn't really work. This wasn't the complete bore that The Dark World forced upon us, but it also wasn't great either. Loki is here and we get our first taste of how he'll end up one of the more memorable characters in the MCU. But Thor is here and hes too naive for asgardian politics, then gets banished to earth where we get to see him continue to be too ignorant of earth customs. It will feel more than played out by the time it is all done.

VengefulKaelee
You know, I would like this movie a lot more than I do were it not for the weird directorial choices that Kenneth Branagh makes throughout. One of my biggest filmmaking pet peeves is Dutch angles with no apparent purpose, and this movie is only one step removed from the likes of Battlefield Earth in that regard. It's a weird, distracting stylistic choice that completely takes me out of the movie during several key scenes. That being said, I do love Chris Hemsworth as Thor, the visual aesthetic and Shakespearean tone of Asgard, and a lot of the supporting performances between the likes of Tom Hiddleston, Anthony Hopkins, Idris Elba, Stellan Skarsgrd, etc., it's just one hell of a stacked cast. Unfortunately Natalie Portman's character turns out to be pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things (and Kat Dennings is just kind of annoying). So yeah, Thor is one that I wish I liked more than I do, due to its often-quite-strong script and cast, but it's dragged down by some bad stylistic choices and poor use of its female characters.

Whiskey Nick
(No write-up.)

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Corrik7
This movie was decent. It introduces Thor to us who has to figure out how to regain his powers. He falls in love with Natalie Portman. Maybe the weakest part of this movie is that the villains were a bit weak and boring (again) and that the rest of the universe seems to at times possibly contradict how much of this movie was necessary. Don't get me wrong, I liked this movie when it came out. It just doesn't age well.

MetalDK
Too Shakespearean for my liking, but wasnt god awful.

NBIceman
Marvel hadnt quite built up the cache yet at the time of Thors release where they felt comfortable enough to just get weird and do whatever they wanted and still be confident that the masses would eat it up. They had to take this combination of Norse mythology and superhero craziness and try to make it palatable for general audiences. The result is an odd mishmash of dumbed-down Shakespearean writing for anything relating to Asgard and a bunch of awkward jokes during the Earth portion. And its not great. No one in the movie feels like they have much chemistry, either. Im not a big Natalie Portman fan, Kat Dennings is the least funny human being on the planet, and Anthony Hopkins seemed kind of embarrassed to be in a comic book film like this. Even Hemsworth, whos really become a great Thor, clearly wasnt comfortable with the role yet. Lokis good, but pretty underutilized. There was a better movie in here somewhere, I think, but it wouldve taken a more talented director than Branagh to find it. At least my boy Clint shows up, even if he doesnt really do anything.

Raka Putra
Touched by An Alien. Thor eventually grew on me but definitely not from this film. Here he's still a run of the mill jock-ish fish out of the water and the actual plot was blah. Not a good start for the God of Thunder.

ScepterOfLove
(No write-up.)

ZenOfThunder
DUTCH ANGLES = GOOD FILMMAKING

MetalmindStats
The very definition of a perfectly okay, entirely watchable Hollywood tentpole to blow two hours on, lacking any serious highlights or real lowlights.

Sheep007
How do you make a kingdom filled with Greek warrior gods boring? Ask this movie. I think this may have been the first MCU film I watched, and I just found it dull. This may be an unpopular opinion but frankly, I cant stand Thor and this rings true in the majority of his appearances. This dude is the god of lightning! How can you not make him more interesting? Sovngarde feels lifeless aside from the protagonists family. The jokes on Earth have been done better so many times before, and most of the humans are just as dull as all the Nords. On the plus side, Zeus and his brother have some chemistry, and theres a reason why Tom Hiddlestone keeps getting brought back. Hes just that damn good. I also just really like the concept of Ukonvasara (I had to look that one up) and it needing someone worthy to pick it up Ive talked more about this in the Ultron writeup.

BetrayedTangy
Loki might be living in Thors shadow, but damn does he sure overshadow him in this movie. I think where they really screwed up was Thors characterization, they make him far too unlikable in the beginning. I get thats the point, but they really give us no reason to root for him, meanwhile Lokis on this really heavy emotional journey and you can totally understand how things start to go to his head. Unfortunately this is Thors movie and we get way more of him on Earth and his lazy romance with Jane. It really feels like the studio didnt have much faith in the movie and went for the simpler audience friendly story.

Jesse Custer
This was such a boring movie. Im guessing they thought stripping Thor of his powers would allow him to develop as a character. But forcing Thor to get some humility as a mortal did nothing to make him interesting, considering his powers were about the only reason to care about him at this point in the MCU. Even the portions of the movie that took place on Asgard were largely unmemorable. And it didnt help that the final confrontation between Thor and Loki was so anticlimactic. Basically it seemed like they had no idea what to do with a Thor movie, but knew they needed one to set him up for The Avengers, and therefore just came up with a bunch of bland filler to call a movie.

StifledSilence
Thor is a douche and Natalie Portman is so fine. Then character development and whatever. See ya in the sequel! Cha Ching!

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OUTLIERS:

Eddv - 42
PrinceKaro - 25
BetrayedTangy - 22
Mr Crispy - 18
Lopen - 17
GavsEvans123 - 15
TomNook - 14
Johnbobb - 13
Snake5555555555 - 12
Raka Putra - 11
ScepterOfLove - 11
CoolCly - 10
Illuminatusbubu - 10
Inviso - 9
Maniac64 - 9
Jesse Custer - 8
Paratroopa1 - 8
Corrik7 - 7
HanOfTheNekos - 7
StifledSilence - 7
VengefulKaelee - 7
XIII Rocks - 7
Anagram - 6
MetalmindStats - 6
Red13n - 6
Mega Mana - 5
Cybat - 4
Whiskey Nick - 4
MetalDK - 2
Sheep007 - 2
ZenOfThunder - 2
NBIceman 0

NBIceman stays perfect for a fourth movie in a row. How about that? Meanwhile, Eddv just continues extending his lead with some verylets say unique opinions on the Phase 1 films. Meanwhile, Karo overtakes Tangy for second place as the field starts to spread even more.

Spoiler for Number 19: The first half of our first tie is also the first phase 3 movie to fall.

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Thor was the first write-up I did for the project.

My guess is Captain Marvel

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fuck how did i make my shitty writeup about the dutch angles and not chris hemsworth's ridiculously light blond dyed eyebrows

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Cant recall if Iron Man 3 is phase 3 or not, but its likely that or Captain Marvel out next probably

Captain Marvel is certainly plausible and probably the safest bet, but there's a couple others in phase 3 (looking at you, Ant Man and the Wasp) I could see dropping too.

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swordz9 posted...

Cant recall if Iron Man 3 is phase 3 or not, but its likely that or Captain Marvel out next probably

IM3 is phase 2

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I think next is easily Ant-Man and the Wasp

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ZenOfThunder posted...

fuck how did i make my shitty writeup about the dutch angles and not chris hemsworth's ridiculously light blond dyed eyebrows

Yeah, his eyebrows are SO weird-looking in Thor >_> I didn't even think to mention it until other people said it in their write-ups though.

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Lopen posted...

Iron Man 2 seems like a decent pick to me. Could actually (again) see Eddv putting Thor 1 in the top 10 and I think we may have enough Loki freaks that it'll have a healthy selection of 16-20s for Thor 2.

Captain Marvel is a sneaky pick though if you wanna overthink the hint. Not sure who is thinking that one is top 10 good.

Lopen nailed it again.

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I think we can just accept that it's Captain Marvel and move on

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I think we can just accept that it's Captain Marvel and move on

Ehhh, can't be too sure. Inviso could be going for another comedy move and both of the films at the tie are Phase 3

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Yeah. I could probably guess your list pretty well. There is part of the style that you find fundamentally annoying about Marvel movies. Thor is relatively lower in it than most of the later movies so it kinda gets higher on the list by default.

I notice it too and it bugs me sometimes (I expect we have the exact same #23) but I think it works more often than you do. But if I just were to automatically shift all the movies where I notice that way down, Thor rises to the top.

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Gonna guess A Man and the W

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More spoilers for #19: I will not stay perfect for the fifth movie in a row.

Apparently I'm the dissenting grouch here, because I absolutely despise fish-out-of-water comedy. "HAHAHA this guy from another culture/planet/world/etc. doesn't understand ours and look at all the funny stuff he does because of it while all the side and background characters stare weirdly at him! We're going to do a bunch of jokes like this but they're all fundamentally the exact same!"

It's so bad. It takes actors with very specialized skillsets to make it even marginally entertaining, and none of the cast members of Thor have those skills.

Anyway, I could very easily see this tie being Captain Marvel/Ant-Man and the Wasp, and I think I'd probably be inclined to guess the latter ends up on the lower end.

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It doesn't help that Thor 1 doesn't really DO too much of that comedy. The only fish-out-of-water scene I can remember is him smashing the coffee cup. Otherwise it's just a weird guy not really interacting with the human world all that much because he's more focused on getting home and finding Mjolnir. It's the biggest flaw I have with the film, honestly, and it's part of what makes it so...dull.

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This one is only a little surprising. Personally I'd have ranked Thor a tad higher for introducing the realm of Asgard, but I have a soft spot for Norse mythology. The movie is okay, but nothing to really write home about. It FEELS like an origin story for a super hero that already has powers which I guess isn't a good thing, but I at least appreciate the twist of losing his abilities and having to earn them back.
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RIP Thor, though its good to see that most of the writeups are positive. I love that they got Kenneth Branagh to direct, I think his absence is a big part of why The Dark World didnt work. They really get the tone right, and its the point where the overarching story actually starts to feel like its developing, which Iron Man 2 didnt really manage. Loki is a great villain, and all the characters are likeable. It also has that really amazing shot of Thor screaming into the air transitioning into Heimdall looking out into space, which always gets me. Really good fun, even though it still barely escapes the bottom 5 for me because the rest are just better.

Anyway, its almost certainly Captain Marvel next, which Id place beneath Thor, and maybe its tied with Age of Ultron or an Ant-Man?

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I think what makes Thor's humor work for me a lot is it's not really super witty or in your face or excessive it's just like... "this guy is acting weird and out of place and people are treating it as such"

Like it's not all fish out of water either. Most of it is him thinking he's a total badass and him just being some random averagely strong guy here and appropriately getting put in his place for it. To me that's not really fish out of water per se in the sense that your typical comedy route goes.

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By the way, Inviso, I emailed my leftover writeups to you a couple days ago - I assume you got them?

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Once you see the dutch angles you can't unsee it

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NBIceman posted...

By the way, Inviso, I emailed my leftover writeups to you a couple days ago - I assume you got them?

Yup.

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I really hope it's Captain Marvel next and not Wasp next. I actually kinda liked the latter movie and the villain was one of the more memorable ones.

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18. Thor
19. ???
20. Thor: The Dark World
21. ???
22. Iron Man 3
23. The Incredible Hulk

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Iron Man 2, MI.

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Thor is a GOOD movie

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Inviso posted...

Iron Man 2, MI.

Oops I spoiled my list

18. Thor
19. ???
20. Thor: The Dark World
21. Iron Man 2
22. ???
23. The Incredible Hulk

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No great losses so far.

16.Iron Man 2
17.
18.Thor
19.
20.
21.
22.Thor: The Dark World
23.The Incredible Hulk

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next four were the missing four here.
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Next is definitely Captain Marvel.

Thor is the only MCU movie I've seen over the past year and I thought it was lackluster, although I don't know fully why TBH. I think I found every storyline the film attempted to be half-baked.

I was surprised people were so down on Iron Monger. Obviously he didn't outshine RDJ's debut as Tony Stark, but he at least worked well enough for the kind of story the film was trying to tell IMO.

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Iron Monger is FINE. Especially since Marvel has SO MANY bad or boring villains. But he's not great, because again, Marvel's top tier villains...I'd only really say Loki, Thanos, Killmonger, Vulture, Mysterio, Ego and Hela are all that amazing. That's only a little less than a third (or a little more than a third if Loki is counted twice.)

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Obadiah Stane is a pretty good villain to me since I feel like they didn't waste a great casting like they did with Hugo Weaving or Mads Mikkelsen. The performance was exactly what I expected from Jeff Bridges. Also admittedly I just love the BOX OF SCRAPS line.

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I said earlier that while the "Iron Monger" sucks, Obie is totally awesome. I don't think that title really applies to him at all. He kind of becomes not a character in the third act and it's not reflective of his role in the movie

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Obadiah is awesome. If I was ranking Iron Monger as him he'd be near the top-- I just wasn't for whatever reason even though I guess I probably should?

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I consider the whole character to be "Iron Monger". I didn't realize people would think differently. >_>

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By that same logic Iron Man and Tony would be different characters!

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Well to be fair they really feel like different characters Stahne is actually methodical and is a lot of fun with his hammy lines.

Iron Monger on the other hand is just a guy in a bigger suit of armor.

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It's definitely not logical I just saw "Iron Monger" and the image and was like "ugh that thing was dumb" as my snap reaction didn't even think "oh this is the spoiler free way to say Obadiah"

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Snake5555555555 posted...

Obadiah Stane is a pretty good villain to me since I feel like they didn't waste a great casting like they did with Hugo Weaving or Mads Mikkelsen. The performance was exactly what I expected from Jeff Bridges. Also admittedly I just love the BOX OF SCRAPS line.

I dont think either of those were wasted casting! Mads in particular is why Kaecilius works. He brings a real charm to a relatively uninteresting role.

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