Poll of the Day > Should we still have to wear masks after being vacinated?

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I mean, what is up with the whole, "there is a chance you can be immune and still a carrier" thing? Freaking find out already. I mean, outside of the 5% chance that the vacine won't protect you.

As far as some dystopian society that requires papers etc, a MASK is far more invasive then a badge or papers etc. Not only is it exactly the same as a visual badge, but it also restricts breathing etc.

Also i'm not saying everyone vacinated should stop wearing a mask RIGHT NOW, just that a timeline after a point when everyone who wants to be vacinated can/will/has been, makes sense. Currently they are saying that every American at least should have the ability to get vacinated by May 1st, so perhaps remove mask restrictions (and have a vacine badge etc) by the end of May.

Requiring under 10k new cases a day may never happen.

Meanwhile I personally think that encouraging people to actually GET the vaccine shot will do more good, and prevent more new cases, then forcing people with the shot already to continue to wear masks.

If you can get a card that says you don't need to wear a mask anymore, many people who are not getting the shot, probably will. That will drastically reduce the risk for everyone (especially those people themselves).

It would also increase our economy as people get out and do things more, travel more (Even if only in our own country) etc.

But yes, we also need to know if people who are vacinated can carry/spread the virus before making any final decisions.

We know that you can still get the virus even if vaccinated, and that some people have still died, but from what I have heard the numbers are TINY (way less then vaccinated people who die from the flu each year for instance).

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Don't know about others but I'm going to continue wearing mine because I've gotten so used to it that I forget it's there sometimes

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SilentSeph posted...

Don't know about others but I'm going to continue wearing mine because I've gotten so used to it that I forget it's there sometimes

Still not used to wearing a muzzle.

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SilentSeph posted...

Don't know about others but I'm going to continue wearing mine because I've gotten so used to it that I forget it's there sometimes

I wish i would forget mine sigh. i even have an under mask which keeps the over mask away from my face. That does help a bit, but yeah, after an hour i'm really feeling it anywhere I go.

I literally won't fly anywhere right now because of needing to wear a mask the whole time.

I wore one even before it was mandatory, because that was the right thing to do, but once they find out if it's safe to not wear one if you have been vacinated, i would not wear one as soon as possible, so i could start doing things again.

If it's not safe, fine, i get it, and I'll just keep mostly being a hermit, but then at least come out with science that explains why it's not safe, and don't just hang it on "no way to know for sure if everyone not wearing a mask has actually been vaccinated".

At some point it's your responsibility to get vaccinated if it's available and free. If you don't and you get sick, it's on you at that point, and it shouldn't be my responsibility to wear masks to protect people who won't get the vaccine.

Yeah, we are not at that point now, but it's looking like in the next month everyone who wants to be vaccinated will be, and at that point, we would be.

I should not have to wear a mask everywhere because people refuse to get the vaccine.

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Yes, if you don't wear a mask, you will kill everyone on Earth, the media told me so. You don't want to kill everyone on Earth, do you?

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The_tall_midget posted...

Yes, if you don't wear a mask, you will kill everyone on Earth, the media told me so. You don't want to kill everyone on Earth, do you?

Depends on the day i'm having.

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Well in my case, I've had to wear a mask at work for a couple of years now so that's why I'm really used to it. But it would be nice to get to a point where they aren't absolutely required all the time

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Final Fantasy2389 posted...

I wish people would wear masks even when this is in the past.

I hope not. I hate not being able to see faces, tbh...
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No.
Only if you're ill.

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LinkPizza posted...

I hope not. I hate not being able to see faces, tbh...

Not me, but I understand.

Mainly I mean out in public, especially if sick.
But we can't get everyone to do it even now, so I doubt it'll stick around anyways.

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funkyfritter posted...

Yes, it's safer and avoids the huge hassle of trying to verify who has been vaccinated. Any badge or card like you're suggesting would be easily faked and difficult to check closely without causing a confrontation. Also, the last thing we want is for everyone to start mingling without masks while there's still a high chance of a new strain developing that current vaccines aren't effective against.

Pretty much. Presuming the vaccines work properly and aren't subverted by emerging variants (which is already a pretty big presumption), it's still going to be vastly simpler and more reliable to just keep requiring masks until case numbers get to levels where masks aren't expected to help anymore. Anything else is going to require additional logistics and create the risk of counterfeits, and wearing masks is really a trivial requirement.

MartianManchild posted...

Im absolutely dying with laughter by how naive you are. Ok, the things youre talking about that you think are requirements are the standard stuff that pretty much all schools have. Guess what? There are people who attend theses schools and get their degree without meeting those vaccine requirements due to exemptions. You thinking that all doctors have to be vaccinated in order to get a license is hilarious, but please continue on making a fool of yourself.

The premise that the medical school example was meant to disprove was the idea that showing proof of vaccination was somehow an unprecedented level of totalitarianism. It is true that med school students are required to show proof of vaccinations for certain major diseases, including TB. There are certainly circumstances under which people can be exempted, such as allergies to the vaccines in question (my mother is a doctor who's missing several vaccines, for example, because she's had severe allergic reactions to many of them), but that doesn't mean the rule doesn't exist. It also stands to reason that any Covid vaccine requirement would offer similar exemptions. I'm not sure why you think citing exemptions somehow shoots down the belief that vaccine requirements are reasonable.

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wolfy42 posted...

Depends on the day i'm having.

I saw that one coming!

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faramir77 posted...

The entire population has had ample time to be fully vaccinated, and not receiving a vaccine by this point means either ignorance of medical advice or sheer laziness.

Yeah we should wear masks until we reach a point where the only people who aren't vaccinated are anti-vaxers because fuck them.

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

I havent had a cold for over a year. People can stop wearing them if they want, but Im going to keep wearing one.

Bingo

Besides, from what Ive seen the past year, there are so many stupid, dirty, uneducated people roaming the countryside, theyre practically walking viruses.

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Face diapers for life!

bshwalker posted...

Besides, from what Ive seen the past year, there are so many stupid, dirty, uneducated people roaming the countryside, theyre practically walking viruses.

Nah. Countryside folk have more respect then anyone for me.


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wwinterj25 posted...

Nah. Countryside folk have more respect then anyone for me.

Then why are they the ones spreading it?

shadowsword87 posted...

Then why are they the ones spreading it?

How so? In the countryside on my hikes I see hardly anyone and apparently according to UK government being outside reduces the spread.

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xjayguyx posted...

Face diapers for life!

And people said in my topic that people don't call them this except for the chin variety ;)

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adjl always puts it a bit nicer than me, and more balance.

It's a little odd trying to have a conversation when you're just called "manipulated", "narrow-minded", "shook up", "shocked", "ridiculous", "not based in reality", "naive", "a fool", "fascist", "hurt", "fragile", and I "have no clue what I'm talking about".

lmfao XD

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but I do profess the weird dunks on countryfolk are a bit hyperbolic.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Nah. Countryside folk have more respect then anyone for me.

Countryside was just an expression.
I didnt mean countryside as in out in the wilderness. I just meant out everywhere.
So disgusting dirty people that refuse to take a pandemic seriously are out roaming everywhere, running their mouths, touching everything after doing who knows what in there houses, caves and bogs.
Yea, I aint having no parts of them, their no functioning brains or their stank.
Im masked forever!

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wolfy42 posted...

you can wear a vacination card (with your face/picture on it etc) showing you were vacinated fully on such and such a date......instead of a mask.

I feel like the mask is actually way LESS hassle than that

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i don't consider any of these things that much of a hassle

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Metalsonic66 posted...

I feel like the mask is actually way LESS hassle than that

So wear a mask then, but give people that a mask is actually a real problem for, a different option. Seriously, my uncle wants me to fly to NY in June to spend 2 weeks driving around (going to the smithsonian etc) with him and a friend, but i'm not going because I can't handle wearing a mask for the long flight and all day when going places etc. The likelyhood the numbers will drop by then enough for masks to no longer been required is extremely low.

I'll have my second shot next week and will be well over 2 weeks after that before the trip, so i should be 100% safe and as far as I know, it would be impossible for me to contaminate anyone else (at least i have heard no evidence stating that is not true).

IF I could go without a mask, I would. I would fly to the bay area for food as well and do tons of other things. Without it, I only go out when I absolutely have to and wear a mask when I go in anywhere, but I rush to be done as soon as possible.

I can't go anywhere for fun/entertainment, cause I am uncomfortable wearing a mask for any period of time. Also, i can't even try to start teaching or working again, because I'll have to wear a mask (and my years of actually being able to work are dwindling quickly).

So yeah, I get it's not a big deal to many people, but it is to me, and I don't think we should be required to wear one once we are vaccinated unless they have evidence that you can carry the virus after having the vaccine (more then if the 5% chance of it not working happens).

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wolfy42 posted...

So wear a mask then, but give people that a mask is actually a real problem for, a different option.

That's basically how it works now. Mandates typically include a caveat for people who can't wear one for a medical reason. That gets rampantly abused by morons that just yell "I'm medically exempt!" as they go about their business without a mask because they're excited to have learned such a big word, but if you genuinely can't wear one (which, I should point out, is completely psychological and not physical, speaking as somebody who's put a mask on during an asthma attack and been perfectly fine), find a doctor to write you an exemption and most businesses will work around your inability to wear one (though usually by asking you to phone in your order and bring it out to you).

That's not going to be enough for flying, obviously, but honestly, nobody should be flying unnecessarily anyway.

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adjl posted...

That's basically how it works now. Mandates typically include a caveat for people who can't wear one for a medical reason. That gets rampantly abused by morons that just yell "I'm medically exempt!" as they go about their business without a mask because they're excited to have learned such a big word, but if you genuinely can't wear one (which, I should point out, is completely psychological and not physical, speaking as somebody who's put a mask on during an asthma attack and been perfectly fine), find a doctor to write you an exemption and most businesses will work around your inability to wear one (though usually by asking you to phone in your order and bring it out to you).

That's not going to be enough for flying, obviously, but honestly, nobody should be flying unnecessarily anyway.

I'd never do that, although it really is hard for me to wear one for an extended period. As far as unnecessary flying, if it's dangerous then I won't do it, I'm hoping though that the danger will mostly be gone soon, possibly in the next month.

Alot is still left unkown as we don't know if people can spread the virus who have had the vaccine etc. I get waiting to test it, but seriously enough people have gotten the vaccine now to test it pretty easy I would imagine.

If it's not safe, fine, i'll deal, but if I could actually live a more normal life again, but can't because it's too much work to come up with methods that don't involve wearing a mask, that isn't cool at all.

I'm fairly old, and not in great health, I don't have a ton of time left to do things, and i spent my whole life working so never got a chance. In addition, I really want to work more before I can't at all. My eyesight is bad, I use hearing aids, but they have limites (large numbers of people/lots of sounds overwhelm them), so between the two most jobs are going to be hard (especially teaching a group of kids).

Perhaps i could be a cook for awhile, something I always wanted, or I could work in sales again or be a manager etc, but I can't do any of that if I have to wear a mask all day.

I can wait on the work for a bit, till hopefully things settle down, but if I'm doing that, I'd really like to travel with that time. Just staying at home has gotten extremely old along time ago.

So yeah, if that is what we have to do, I understand, but I do think that it should be a priority not only to get everyone vaccinated but also to get people living normalish lives again asap.

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Lokarin posted...

I don't know the specific mechanics behind this particular virus, but there is a chance you could be immune and still a carrier so keep wearing the mask

No, if you were immune, you wouldn't be carrying it. You're thinking of somebody who's asymptomatic (or, more likely, has symptoms so minor that they go unnoticed or get written off as something else)

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Zeus posted...

No, if you were immune, you wouldn't be carrying it. Y

That's a distinction without a purpose since no vaccine actually provides immunity in that sense

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Lokarin posted...

That's a distinction without a purpose since no vaccine actually provides immunity in that sense

Now you're just pigeonholing. And, if you move those goalposts far enough, immunity isn't even a thing.

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Zeus posted...

Now you're just pigeonholing. And, if you move those goalposts far enough, immunity isn't even a thing.

That's not how the immune system works. If you are infected with a microbe that your adaptive system can readily attack and send that disease to Mars... you can still spread it in that early window

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Zeus posted...

No, if you were immune, you wouldn't be carrying it. You're thinking of somebody who's asymptomatic (or, more likely, has symptoms so minor that they go unnoticed or get written off as something else)

"Carrying" may not be quite the right term, but there is still considerable question about whether or not vaccinated people are still able to transmit the virus despite not developing any sort of meaningful infection from it. Until that's confirmed one way or another, continuing to recommend masks and distancing will guard against that possibility in addition to being the most practical way to ensure unvaccinated people are not posing an undue risk.

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bshwalker posted...

I didnt mean countryside as in out in the wilderness. I just meant out everywhere.

Use the correct words next time.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Use the correct words next time.

"Roaming the countryside" is a pretty common idiom for "all over the place." There's really no reason to presume from that that he was singling out rural folks as being less compliant and/or more rude about precautions.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Use the correct words next time.

I did.
See the above post.
Learn how context works next time.

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