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PunishedBen posted...

Explains where the night 2 block went
And it means scum really thought they were going to kill IGCD

I guess its hard to argue Red is scum, unless we pull the "No Kill Gambit" out.

Because they left him unblocked

Well, with that I have to end the gambit. Sorry for outing you Red. But yeah scum doesn't have any reason to claim full time doctor there and claim the role blocks

Red is clean. To be fair I was planning on doing this to him long before he claimed weird backup doctor and then when he seemingly wasn't anymore I did the gambit revival since he never did comply with my request. Turns out i didn't need to do it because All the evidence of roleblocking on night 2 points to him being town. But hopefully there are some good reactions from others.

Maybe i'm still waking up and the coffee hasn't hit.

I don't understand what you are saying ben.

Sbells story does seem pretty well put together. I would love to believe that Ulti is double powerconfirmed.

So much so that I wonder if scum framed me with their own backed up whatever plums role power was.

Its probably for the best that I get lynched. Just wanted to make sure this theory is out there before town revenge lynches Sbell in case he is town.

Considering the Covid stuff, this is probably good timing anyway.

Obellisk posted...

Maybe i'm still waking up and the coffee hasn't hit.

I don't understand what you are saying ben.

I'm just a vanilla and not actually a backup

Obellisk posted...

Night 1: Ulti, did not move
Night 2: Plum, I was roleblocked
Night 3: Death visited Ben
Night 4: I'm dead

Well that answers my question.

PunishedBen posted...

I'm just a vanilla and not actually a backup

ah.

htaeD posted...

Considering the Covid stuff, this is probably good timing anyway.

YOU GAVE ME WHAT?

So Death, just to be clear, your defense is Scum had a backup for Plum and were able to use his Noise Maker on you last night and I also coincidentally Tracked you that same night.

(For reference, Noise Maker says "make it look like the person moved")

Either that or you are just scum going for a quick mislynch

Ben, prior to todays Backup games, you were still unclaimed right?

Obellisk posted...

Ben, prior to todays Backup games, you were still unclaimed right?

Well I was revealed to be rocko, which kind of messed up my plans to claim some backup detective show. I really couldn't find a way to make rocko fit so I ignored kirby's question about how rocko is backup. Other than that I hadn't revealed anything

PunishedBen posted...

Well I was revealed to be rocko, which kind of messed up my plans to claim some backup detective show. I really couldn't find a way to make rocko fit so I ignored kirby's question about how rocko is backup. Other than that I hadn't revealed anything

I didn't think so, thank you.

Just piecing things together, like why Scum would be targeting you N3 and not with a roleblock.
Does scum have a scanner of sorts? If you have already been flavor scanned, why flavor scan you again.

Unless Death was Scums back up and was making it look like YOU got up but really i saw him do it to you.

Yeah It's hard to really speculate but we would know soon enough with Deaths flip. He either rolecopped me, gave me the Rona, slimed me, or maybe he just gave me a Pineapple. I don't really know

The question now is do we go for the unknown role death or do we aim for Tidus who has a likelier chance of being roleblocker but also slight possibility of being town lol

##Vote: Death

And when I say slight I mean it the way I did when I said it about DYL

Sheep007 posted...

I'd love for you to tell me what exactly Red said to make you flip between the two. Or do you still think he's probably scum, and just aren't interested in trying to resolve it today?

I'll be honest, I was half-asleep when I made that post lol

But I stand by what I said (now more than ever!). Simply, Ben did not have an explanation for the N2 no kill, but Red did. Plus, I've learned my lesson about lynching claimed power. Combined with the fact that Red was the only reasonable explanation for the no kill, and that makes me hesitate to lynch him. Plus that sort of claim is going to be resolved eventually, because no way Scum lets a claim like that live for long. Not to mention any other explanation for the N2 no kill relies on scum deliberately avoiding the claimed scanner in the form of IGCD.

Red reminding us of that was really the tipping point in this argument. The full claim just solidified my changed stance on not lynching him today.

Now, with the reveal of Sbell's role, his story lines up well with Red's, especially with regard to the roleblocks. Ben was bluffing about being a backup, but frankly, he was never on my scum radar to begin with.

It's clear to see now that Sbell and Red are tightly linked. If one is scum, so is the other. But the evidence very much implies that they are town thus far (though Sbell is benefiting a lot from Red's strong case).

Tidus could be Godfather role blocker and that's why Plum was okay with calling him town. Either way plums goal was not to survive any more past day 1

PunishedBen posted...

The question now is do we go for the unknown role death or do we aim for Tidus who has a likelier chance of being roleblocker but also slight possibility of being town lol

I am also in favor of lynching the confirmed scum. If Death flips town, then we know that scum must have a backup that used the noise maker, which is information that might be worth having.

##Vote: Death

Also, I'm all for mass claiming. I kinda want to wait and have Tidus claim first, just to make sure he can't build a convincing fake claim by seeing what everyone else claimed first. Otherwise, I have no problems starting the mass claim right now.

Sbell is not linked to Red.

Sbells towniness does not rely on Red.

If Red is scum, Sbell is not automatically scum.

None of what you said holds water.

oh yeah and

##vote: Death

I could always vote.

Obellisk posted...

Sbell is not linked to Red.

Sbells towniness does not rely on Red.

If Red is scum, Sbell is not automatically scum.

None of what you said holds water.

Are you lying about the roleblock, then? If Red is scum, where did the other two roleblocks go?

Y'all are linked as far as I'm concerned. There's no explanation for the roleblocks other than: both of you are town and telling the truth, or both of you are scum and lying.

And the latter is not a likely scenario here given that Red has an explanation for N2.

Votals will listening to Will Smith Rapp
[4] Death- Lea, Ben, Kirby, sbell
[2] Tidus- Sheep,(Lea), BCT
[1] Red(Kirby), Ulti

I'm vanilla. Everyone else who has yet to claim should, today.

I had Death and SBell down as a scum pairing, but some of SBell's stranger actions are partially explained by his claim. I'd still like to know why SBell wasn't more dubious of Plum or even Ben's claim, though, given his claim, I get not wanting to be outed as power? But in such a small game, the presence of a claimed hider, a claimed flavour cop, a flipped lie detector, and a claimed backup lie detector eliciting little response from a claimed tracker makes me a little wary.

I also think that, if SBell is Town, Scum has to be a team of five. Tidus and Death are pretty clear Scum imo, and I thought SBell would be the fifth if there was one, but with so many powerful town flips and claims, I'll be shocked if it's only a team of four. The remaining scum is probably in BCT and Kirby, and I will personally kneecap anyone who suggests Lea as an option. I was genuinely considering an SBell/Death gambit for a second given Death claims to be ill and may be lacking gusto, and if the remaining scumteam was SBell/Death/Tidus, they're screwed without a massive play. I think Death is too cautious to try something that fun, but props if he did, y'all have me fooled and I shall tip my nonexistent hat in postgame.

This does mean that we need to consider players who're out of the PoE a little more. I don't want to finish today until Kirby and BCT claim, and I agree that the massclaim is sensible. I'd also like Tidus to claim, but that's more from a "I want to kill him and I would like to give him the chance to claim on principle" angle. I don't think any claim alone would change my wanting to murder him and I'm tempted to lynch him today, because if we kill the RB SBell is guaranteed to get another scan off and we basically just win by PoE bar some insane gambit, but going with the basically confirmed scum is probably the safe bet.

Kirby321 posted...

I'll be honest, I was half-asleep when I made that post lol

But I stand by what I said (now more than ever!). Simply, Ben did not have an explanation for the N2 no kill, but Red did. Plus, I've learned my lesson about lynching claimed power. Combined with the fact that Red was the only reasonable explanation for the no kill, and that makes me hesitate to lynch him. Plus that sort of claim is going to be resolved eventually, because no way Scum lets a claim like that live for long. Not to mention any other explanation for the N2 no kill relies on scum deliberately avoiding the claimed scanner in the form of IGCD.

Red reminding us of that was really the tipping point in this argument. The full claim just solidified my changed stance on not lynching him today.

Sure, I agree with most of this. None of it explains why you went for Red in the first place, imo.

Let me put it this way: I found it weird that it took Red restating stuff for you to come to this realisation. The information was almost all present beforehand. I don't even know if it's a scumtell or not, because I feel like Scum wouldn't jump on what Ben said so boldly, but something about your responses twinged my gut.

Sheep007 posted...

I'd still like to know why SBell wasn't more dubious of Plum or even Ben's claim, though, given his claim, I get not wanting to be outed as power? But in such a small game, the presence of a claimed hider, a claimed flavour cop, a flipped lie detector, and a claimed backup lie detector eliciting little response from a claimed tracker makes me a little wary.

I did the most I could while attempting to stay under radar. getting a blind roleblock n2 was annoying. not getting roleblocked n3 meant I did a good enough job day 3 to make them think it was wasted.
frankly I considered playing this day as the other 3, but as soon as people were loading onto todus, I thought best to get info out while I still had a chance.

here we are.

Sheep, what's your flavor?

In any case, I'm KABLAM!, also Town Vanilla.

Sheep007 posted...

Sure, I agree with most of this. None of it explains why you went for Red in the first place, imo.

Let me put it this way: I found it weird that it took Red restating stuff for you to come to this realisation. The information was almost all present beforehand. I don't even know if it's a scumtell or not, because I feel like Scum wouldn't jump on what Ben said so boldly, but something about your responses twinged my gut.

Really? You don't think it was weird at all that Ben claimed Red's role? Dude, let's not forget you got lynched last game because HB countered your Tracker claim. Why wouldn't my immediate response to duplicate roles be that someone is lying? And why wouldn't I immediately doubt Red over our Town paragon Ben?

Sheep, your response is starting to worry me. But let's set this straight. I feel like this should be obvious, but let's lay out the timeline here:

• Ben hinted at being able to lie detect
• I recognized this as a backup claim and mentioned that Ben should have a very good explanation for the N2 no kill
• Ben full claims backup but does not answer my question about N2
• I vote for Red. By this point in time, Red hasn't said anything
• Late into the night (12:45 AM in my time), Ben finally addresses my question and... says he has no idea what happened N2
• Red finally chimes in and repeats his explanation for N2
• I see the topic at around 2 AM my time and make my post unvoting Red, seeing how Ben did not have an explanation for N2 whereas Red still did

If Ben had a strong argument for the N2 no kill, I don't think I would've given Red as much room to breathe. But he didn't. So after Red gave his piece, I was willing to believe him again.

I suppose it wasn't so much that Red had a really good explanation and more that Ben lacked an explanation.

*googles kablam!*

jesus, it's a kids version of Liquid Television. Why did I not watch this?

I suppose '96 was sorta my breaking off point for that kind of stuff.

Kablam is great yeah

Oh, we're mass claiming? Okay. I'm Figure It Out, Town Vanilla. Sorry, had to catch up. It's a lot to process right now so let me know if I'm missing anything.

Tidus and Death feel scummiest right now. If there's 4 scum, it's just them two. I'm OK lynching either.

But if there's 5 - like you guys said is likely due to town powers (I'm quite impressionable right now, lol) - the other one is Kirby or Ben, maybe Sheep. While I'm still wary of Red, I'm not as wary of Red since him being scum just doesn't fit anymore. I don't think Ulti is scum despite the Han debacle. Lea is blatant town. SBell lying to implicate Death just doesn't add up. Like Kirby said, Red and SBell would have to be scum together, and that would mean scum doesn't have a roleblocker or keeps hitting vanilla with it. Neither makes sense. (Do vanillas get told they were RBed or no? I have no clue.)

Guessing Tidus is being coached to not scumslip again to protect his role so he's just not saying anything. Who would be good at coaching him like that? I wouldn't know.

Ben... would there really be two town backups? Ben is either scum trying to mess with town or town trying to mess with scum. I can't decide. Kirby knows him better than I do, so I'll take his word for it about Ben wanting to make that claim as scum. But all that does is give me insight into how Ben plays. Kirby could be distracting using that as well.

Sheep, may I ask why you suspect me? Is that just process of elimination? That's the only reason I even slightly suspect you tbh. There aren't many other options.

Kirby321 posted...

Sheep, what's your flavor?

In any case, I'm KABLAM!, also Town Vanilla.

Really? You don't think it was weird at all that Ben claimed Red's role? Dude, let's not forget you got lynched last game because HB countered your Tracker claim. Why wouldn't my immediate response to duplicate roles be that someone is lying? And why wouldn't I immediately doubt Red over our Town paragon Ben?

Sheep, your response is starting to worry me. But let's set this straight. I feel like this should be obvious, but let's lay out the timeline here:

* Ben hinted at being able to lie detect
* I recognized this as a backup claim and mentioned that Ben should have a very good explanation for the N2 no kill
* Ben full claims backup but does not answer my question about N2
* I vote for Red. By this point in time, Red hasn't said anything
* Late into the night (12:45 AM in my time), Ben finally addresses my question and... says he has no idea what happened N2
* Red finally chimes in and repeats his explanation for N2
* I see the topic at around 2 AM my time and make my post unvoting Red, seeing how Ben did not have an explanation for N2 whereas Red still did
If Ben had a strong argument for the N2 no kill, I don't think I would've given Red as much room to breathe. But he didn't. So after Red gave his piece, I was willing to believe him again.

I suppose it wasn't so much that Red had a really good explanation and more that Ben lacked an explanation.

My flavour is Ren and Stimpy

And yeah, my immediate reaction was that someone was obviously lying. I was pretty sure it was Ben, because I was confident that both were town, and that's not a Red thing to do as Town whilst it's Ben's bread and butter. I thought the claim was Ben going for a cute little play for reactions from other parties rather than a genuine attack on Red, cause I think Red during D3 was screaming Town from the top of his lungs while saying practically the same things he was today.

Hence why I'm confused that what it took for you to unvote him was... just restating most of what he said yesterday. Like, when I'm trying to logic out scumteams in my head based on the past couple days, Red is pretty much the first player I exclude from teams simply because the nightkill didn't evaporate into thin air and he was absurdly hyped coming into D3 in a way I just don't remember feeling from Scum Red. Idk if this is all just me being paranoid and stressed and not communicating well enough cause I am doing a lot of thinking about this game but have very little time to actually sit down and write my thoughts up (and when I do it comes out like this fuck) and I clearly did not hammer it enough in everyone's brains D3 that Red is Town because multiple people that I have favourable opinions of thought Red was scummy enough to be worth voting. I will have to beat my dead horse opinions into a fine pulp for the rest of this game until people listen because fuck off am I waiting two days next time I want to lynch someone as disgustingly scummy as Plum.

okay. Rant done. I think your responses put me at ease a little and I kinda understand your reasoning (albeit perhaps more via introspection than your own explanation). I am now going to bed at 7pm and I shall be back either tomorrow or in the morning to resume our regularly scheduled scum-lynching.

Why exactly do you think Lea is obviously Town, BCT? What separates her from, say, myself or Ben?

And yeah, the main reason I think you might be scum right now is definitely PoE, combined with just feeling pretty great about most players and not trusting myself to read newer players amazingly. I do wanna go back over your posts so far tomorrow, though, because I don't think there's many yet they're fairly content-dense iirc

oh right, Flavor.

Rugrats here.

Baby's gotta do what a baby's gotta do.

Sheep007 posted...

Why exactly do you think Lea is obviously Town, BCT? What separates her from, say, myself or Ben?

Plum wasn't Hider. Lea's immediate D1 claim attracted too much attention to herself. I highly doubt she'd do that as scum since it's a very bold play. Everyone else seems to think that way too so it might just be being impressionable again on top of that. I haven't seen any reason for her to be scum, at any rate.

And yes, my posts are pretty content-dense because I've been busier than I thought I was gonna be so I've often been in catchup mode, thus my replies are condensed.

My vote's still on Tidus, yes? Leaving it there until he claims.

Sheep007 posted...

I thought the claim was Ben going for a cute little play for reactions from other parties rather than a genuine attack on Red, cause I think Red during D3 was screaming Town from the top of his lungs while saying practically the same things he was today.

Yeah this is true. I made it pretty clear yesterday i thought Red was town when he popped off day 3. But I was doing the setup for this fake claim back when Red was looking more like possible scum and didnt want to waste the setup even if it was much less believable after Red claimed backup

Lea claim still sucks and we get down to a final 3 with me Lea and X.... well I'm likely lynching Lea.

if Lea is scum then bully for her if they win this game but Towns can't let claims like that just slide. Wish I had tested it but now it's too late for that.

I'm up for killing Tidus the possible roleblocker and just letting Death have his way with me again tonight actually.

PunishedBen posted...

I'm up for killing Tidus the possible roleblocker and just letting Death have his way with me again tonight actually.

I mean... then I might as well have not said anything at all and gotten another track off.

farts.

That's the only reason for doing it is to try and help you get another track off

I understand it but also am generally against letting confirmed scum live.

It is certainly a tough choice.