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Kirby321 posted...

Ask yourself when the last time Death was scum and whether or not he'd bus somebody like that.

Because Lea almost drowned MZero last game with all of the tracker stuff going on (to the point that she posthumously helped MZero get lynched since Abacus and I were latched on to her logic). Putting suspicion on each other is not something I'd say scum wouldn't do, but it largely depends on who the person in question is. Some people are more willing to bus than others, I'd imagine.

Sheep and death were soft suspecting each other since early day 1. They have some back and forth that can be considered bussing. But the thing that caught my eye about this particular death post is that he calls out Sheep for listing him as possible scum but not doing much about it. Calling attention to the fact that they're bussing if that's what they were doing.

Oh Tidus wasnt scum huh
I am as surprised as anyone else!

Imagine posting this in the wrong topic, its all your fault Ben

PunishedBen posted...

Add to that Sheep was really hesitant to give a confident read on Death. Made a whole post ISO'ing Death and calling out scummy posts of his but never comitting.

I woulda been murdering Death days ago if we'd lynched Plum and I've had him on my scumlist since D2. I think on reflection I definitely should have tried to pressure him a lot more, but I kinda tunnelled in on Plum too much when people starting arguing he might be Town. And I definitely fell off after early game, some irl stuff got my activity knocked off and has kinda limited me to an hour or two of catching up and posting walls every day, cause I'm basically sleeping through the active timezones.

PunishedBen posted...

Yo Sheep is it you? If not you then who?

Honestly? I'm kinda stumped right now. Yesterday I couldn't see any realistic scumteam without Tidus on it, and I'm in a similar position to you where I think I have to have cleared a scum player early in the game to have been left alive. I was trying to do what I could to force scum to kill me N1, and that's making me paranoid about who I heavily townread, because that's imo the main reason to kill Chang or MZero over myself, leaving me considering you, Lea and Ulti.

Out of these, I feel best about Lea, actually? I got paranoid for a bit that I was just doing my typical thing and nailing most of the scum team early but hardclearing one and then tunnelvissioning them as Town in every possibility. But I always come back to her being so far outside her Scum meta from last game that I just don't see any scenario in which she's scum.

And then you and Ulti have been scanned, which is obviously a big plus point for you. I need to read those scans back when I can, and check some of the flavour meta because I know literally nothing about any of these shows to be able to tell if they could be flavour traps. That aside, I think both of you have been ridiculously Town so far, and I want to check the D2 votes again to see if it looks like Scum were pushing for Ulti after the Han mislynch.

Yesterday, I thought that the third scum (with Tidus/Death) would be in Kirby/BCT, and I think at least one being here is still likely. There's two scum left beyond Death, and I'll be shocked if there isn't one in those players I've only read as Town, rather than absolutely nailed in. I think BCT is perhaps more likely to be Scum than Kirby, because I've felt less good overall about him throughout the game? But that said, I have a lot of trouble getting past BCT's D1 vote making him look ridiculously towny. Like, he basically threw away his vote if he's Plum's teammate, which strikes me as really odd given Scum clearly wanted Plum to survive past that day specifically. If he's scum then getting him to keep his vote on Ben or Red just to try and swing that lynch makes so much more sense. Kirby's vote, on the other hand, fits the profile of a scummate-saving vote a lot more, but there's been lots of little things that I've liked from him. I've put him under pressure a few times because I'm not entirely sure on him, at least not as I'd like to be, but I've really liked his responses and I struggle to see them coming from Scum.

Which leaves me considering SBell. Who has claimed tracker, and I think I believe? I want to read back his last few days a bit more because I've definitely been kinda detached since D3, but for whatever reason I still feel most unsure on him. I just... really don't think that BCT and Kirby are both scum, and I'm not even sure that one of them would be. I'm a little dubious that we'd have a third strong investigative role in a game with a backup.... But I'm also hesitant to role meta hard, especially considering I think Sultan is a relatively inexperienced host, and the claim and reaction to it just doesn't fit the vibe of a scummate faking a scan on another scummate to manufacture a clear.

I too can feel dead town chat screaming at me for this entire post and I am incredibly sorry for whoever I'm gravely mistaken on but this is not as obvious as you think Han I promise

Wait I'm a fuckin dumbass I forgot Plum's role and SBell is straight up confirmed Town

Hey, Ben. Let's say you're miraculously the Backup Backup Doctor. You lynch me tomorrow, I flip Town, you stop the scum kill and buy an extra day. Who're you looking at, then?

I need to curb my paranoia before I post my ramblings, because Ben is also practically confirmed as soon as SBell is confirmed given his scan.

scum has a role to fuxk with trackers/watchers

sbell is an uncountered tracker.

Scum: I think sbell might still be scum.

Sheep007 posted...

Hey, Ben. Let's say you're miraculously the Backup Backup Doctor. You lynch me tomorrow, I flip Town, you stop the scum kill and buy an extra day. Who're you looking at, then?

Well firstly I do hope there's 4 scum and not 5 because I feel like we deserve one more mislynch after that doc save. In fact I'm sure there's 4 scum. You being insistent there's 5 sounds a bit dubious here.

Second I think I made it clear the lynch pool is you and BCT. So if you are town then the next option is clear.

Sheep007 posted...

I woulda been murdering Death days ago if we'd lynched Plum and I've had him on my scumlist since D2. I think on reflection I definitely should have tried to pressure him a lot more, but I kinda tunnelled in on Plum too much when people starting arguing he might be Town. And I definitely fell off after early game, some irl stuff got my activity knocked off and has kinda limited me to an hour or two of catching up and posting walls every day, cause I'm basically sleeping through the active timezones.

Honestly? I'm kinda stumped right now. Yesterday I couldn't see any realistic scumteam without Tidus on it, and I'm in a similar position to you where I think I have to have cleared a scum player early in the game to have been left alive. I was trying to do what I could to force scum to kill me N1, and that's making me paranoid about who I heavily townread, because that's imo the main reason to kill Chang or MZero over myself, leaving me considering you, Lea and Ulti.

Out of these, I feel best about Lea, actually? I got paranoid for a bit that I was just doing my typical thing and nailing most of the scum team early but hardclearing one and then tunnelvissioning them as Town in every possibility. But I always come back to her being so far outside her Scum meta from last game that I just don't see any scenario in which she's scum.

And then you and Ulti have been scanned, which is obviously a big plus point for you. I need to read those scans back when I can, and check some of the flavour meta because I know literally nothing about any of these shows to be able to tell if they could be flavour traps. That aside, I think both of you have been ridiculously Town so far, and I want to check the D2 votes again to see if it looks like Scum were pushing for Ulti after the Han mislynch.

Yesterday, I thought that the third scum (with Tidus/Death) would be in Kirby/BCT, and I think at least one being here is still likely. There's two scum left beyond Death, and I'll be shocked if there isn't one in those players I've only read as Town, rather than absolutely nailed in. I think BCT is perhaps more likely to be Scum than Kirby, because I've felt less good overall about him throughout the game? But that said, I have a lot of trouble getting past BCT's D1 vote making him look ridiculously towny. Like, he basically threw away his vote if he's Plum's teammate, which strikes me as really odd given Scum clearly wanted Plum to survive past that day specifically. If he's scum then getting him to keep his vote on Ben or Red just to try and swing that lynch makes so much more sense. Kirby's vote, on the other hand, fits the profile of a scummate-saving vote a lot more, but there's been lots of little things that I've liked from him. I've put him under pressure a few times because I'm not entirely sure on him, at least not as I'd like to be, but I've really liked his responses and I struggle to see them coming from Scum.

Which leaves me considering SBell. Who has claimed tracker, and I think I believe? I want to read back his last few days a bit more because I've definitely been kinda detached since D3, but for whatever reason I still feel most unsure on him. I just... really don't think that BCT and Kirby are both scum, and I'm not even sure that one of them would be. I'm a little dubious that we'd have a third strong investigative role in a game with a backup.... But I'm also hesitant to role meta hard, especially considering I think Sultan is a relatively inexperienced host, and the claim and reaction to it just doesn't fit the vibe of a scummate faking a scan on another scummate to manufacture a clear.

I too can feel dead town chat screaming at me for this entire post and I am incredibly sorry for whoever I'm gravely mistaken on but this is not as obvious as you think Han I promise

Ugh this does come across as a very genuine post though. Maybe because a lot of it is what I'm thinking (except the Sbell and Kirby parts)

Maybe it's just BCT

PunishedBen posted...

Well firstly I do hope there's 4 scum and not 5 because I feel like we deserve one more mislynch after that doc save. In fact I'm sure there's 4 scum. You being insistent there's 5 sounds a bit dubious here.

Second I think I made it clear the lynch pool is you and BCT. So if you are town then the next option is clear.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if there's only four scum. The only thing that's currently giving me pause is how powerful the two scum flips have been, but mayor, backup, lie detector, doctor, tracker, and flavour cop is a lot of very strong power too. Perhaps more concretely, Death has to be a visiting role that isn't roleblocker, and also isn't scan immune, which I'd expect some scum role to be with three to four scanners ranging from fairly strong to Word of God.

Votals while Listening to ICE ICE Baby

[1] Death-(Lea,) (BCT), Ulti

If there is 5 scum then is there even a multiverse where BCT is town? It feels like scum has been getting beat down this game and I don't believe there are 2 deep wolves

Death's lynch is uncontested, right? Because seeing his flip will tell us everything we need to know about Ben's alignment.

If Death flips a role that supports fellow scum, then Ben is obviously scum. ... But the far likelier explanation is that Death is an anti-town role, confirming Ben is town or at the very least not scum (and hopefully not third-party!)

I mean, that kinda tells us the obvious, but we gotta take whatever we can get since we'll soon be without any kind of town power. This is gonna be one tough game after today, but hopefully the solution is as simple as it seems. I will say right now I'm leaning toward Death + BCT + Sheep, just through sheer process of elimination. But if Ulti is actually scum, I'm gonna be kicking myself after this game.

Like, Ben is confirmed. Ulti might as well be confirmed. Sbell resolves Plum's role. Lea is either genuine town or has seriously upped her scum game in the span of a week or two. The scum pool just seems so narrowed down now.

Also, did Sbell say he had a scan last night?

PunishedBen posted...

If there is 5 scum then is there even a multiverse where BCT is town? It feels like scum has been getting beat down this game and I don't believe there are 2 deep wolves

I mean this is where I was with Tidus yesterday and I was very badly wrong so I'm a little worried about us following with this when I've felt good about BCT so far. I think on the balance of things he probably is Scum, but I'm not nearly as certain as you.

Sheep007 posted...

I mean this is where I was with Tidus yesterday and I was very badly wrong so I'm a little worried about us following with this when I've felt good about BCT so far. I think on the balance of things he probably is Scum, but I'm not nearly as certain as you.

Then I'll need an argument why two people are more likely scum than BCT

For what its worth, everyone I know is doing fine! Corona-wise.

Kirby321 posted...

Death's lynch is uncontested, right? Because seeing his flip will tell us everything we need to know about Ben's alignment.

If Death flips a role that supports fellow scum, then Ben is obviously scum. ... But the far likelier explanation is that Death is an anti-town role, confirming Ben is town or at the very least not scum (and hopefully not third-party!)

I mean, that kinda tells us the obvious, but we gotta take whatever we can get since we'll soon be without any kind of town power. This is gonna be one tough game after today, but hopefully the solution is as simple as it seems. I will say right now I'm leaning toward Death + BCT + Sheep, just through sheer process of elimination. But if Ulti is actually scum, I'm gonna be kicking myself after this game.

Like, Ben is confirmed. Ulti might as well be confirmed. Sbell resolves Plum's role. Lea is either genuine town or has seriously upped her scum game in the span of a week or two. The scum pool just seems so narrowed down now.

Also, did Sbell say he had a scan last night?

Yeah no matter what we discuss today it ends in Death's lynch. So its kinda hard to put down the pressure on anyone specifically. Which is why i want to hear what everyone plans to do tomorrow today

htaeD posted...

For what its worth, everyone I know is doing fine! Corona-wise.

Glad to hear that....bitch :)

Imagine if Tidus was reverse Death Miller like I was in Heroes Vs Villains mafia

I'm pretty sure Chris looked at the setup so it cant be that bad

I could be remembering entirely wrong then and it was Changmas's game that Chris was asked to look at

PunishedBen posted...

Glad to hear that....bitch :)

Slime anyone?

It sucks knowing that Death is probably not the roleblocker, given that Red was blocked on the same night he visited you, Ben.

But I think it's pretty clear that tomorrow is gonna come down to a lynch between me, BCT, and Sheep. And I think I'd be more keen on lynching BCT since he's just been... inoffensive, I guess? I don't think anything has particularly stood out as scummy from him, though the pressure you put on him earlier was interesting to read.

Meanwhile, Sheep had a very strong Day 1, but (as everyone has already said) his presence fell off hard afterward.

Do we have any info on Sheep + BCT interactions?

Kirby321 posted...

Also, did Sbell say he had a scan last night?

Sbell has not said anything about it. Only Kirby has.

Obellisk posted...

Sbell has not said anything about it. Only Kirby has.

May I ask why you haven't said anything?

Kirby321 posted...

Also, did Sbell say he had a scan last night?

May I ask why you HAVE said something?

I'm starting to get the feeling Death slimed me. Jokes on him, I like slime. It's great for the skin

As far as I'm considered Kirby is the most town person here aftr re-read. So i hope he is not considered an option in the final scuffle

PunishedBen posted...

As far as I'm considered Kirby is the most town person here aftr re-read. So i hope he is not considered an option in the final scuffle

State your case.

Obellisk posted...

State your case.

Post #275 - #295 of this topic

PunishedBen posted...

Post #275 - #295 of this topic

Post #235 too.

PunishedBen posted...

masterplum posted...

I like Kirby. I can tell he is thinking through his thoughts. This also points at Red's vote on Kirby having strange timing. It seems like his vote on Kirby is almost an after thought
An incredibly rare town read coming from Plum. And I think he is just USING Kirby in this post to go after Red, who started to gain some suspicion as a counter lynch at this time.

Plum says here that Kirby being town points to Red having a suspicious vote on Kirby. I can tell Red was his target and having to say he town reads Kirby was the price.

More town points to Kirby

I don't see how this post gives points to kirby. Could be blatant defense of his scummste while throwing shade at red.

I believe you are only seeing what you want to see.

Obellisk posted...

I don't see how this post gives points to kirby. Could be blatant defense of his scummste while throwing shade at red.

I believe you are only seeing what you want to see.

I dont think he was in a position to blatantly defend a scummate as he was on his way out. And I noticed this post was special because it was about the only town read I saw Plum giving on day 2

acceptable.

Yes lea. You're town because I said you were and everyone agreed. Plum even got pissed off on post #25 of page 1 because I was saying you were confirmed town. So its' not about you, its about my ego. There ya go.

*throws brick at you*

And everything else towny you've done of course <3

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Leanansidhe posted...

Good thing we didn't hammer Death early or we'd miss out on all this high octane gameplay.

Well, okay.

##Vote:Lea

Yeah I was just messing around because I was bored too and thought I'd oblige your wish for attention to see if anyone reacted :P

##unvote

BCT, what players do you think are clearly scummier than/deserve to be lynched before you?

PunishedBen posted...

BCT, what players do you think are clearly scummier than/deserve to be lynched before you?

What a weird question. I know I'm town, so wouldn't that be... practically everyone else?

That said, IGCD confirmed both Ulti and you (Ben) and SBell says Death visited you so, from an objective fly-on-the-wall viewpoint, I guess not the two of you. And SBell is the only tracker claim so I guess not him. But those are the only excuses I can think of!

I mean... Ben could still be scum... I'm not saying he is. but if death were to flip town, it could be made possible.

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My respect for you has gone up significantly for this Grade A shitpost. This is totally something I would do (and have already done) lmfao

Obellisk posted...

Sbell has not said anything about it. Only Kirby has.

Is... there a reason you haven't said anything about it? I mean, the obvious conclusion is that you got roleblocked since Red is dead, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.