Current Events > Has woke culture restricted your freedoms?

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I mean it IS pretty annoying when every single MAGAt that comes into work high key assumes I agree with his terrible views since I'm a white dude in his 30s

I'm a straight but not totally white (I'm mixed if anything) male, but it has kinda soured my enjoyment of certain media

Yes

Is there any oppression greater than seeing a black Ariel?

I have to rebuy shirts and hats for various sports teams so i dont get cancelled.

Crimsoness posted...

Is there any oppression greater than seeing a black Ariel?

Black Tinkerbell idk

Umm...are cardboard straws woke? If so then that. Nothing else to complain about.

As a white passing Latino, it's getting harder to make jokes at the expense of my own race. I may as well be in Alcatraz.

trivialbeing posted...

I'm a straight but not totally white (I'm mixed if anything) male, but it has kinda soured my enjoyment of certain media

I'd argue that movies and TV shows making creative choices you don't like is not a restriction of your freedom.

I'm a straight white male and haven't been oppressed either.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Umm...are cardboard straws woke? If so then that. Nothing else to complain about.

Is that really an infringement upon your freedoms, though?

GeraldDarko posted...

Is that really an infringement upon your freedoms, though?

freedom from tyranny and oppression of the faux eco movement!!!

As a Ace white male none of my rights have been restricted. I still love plenty of modern TV shows, games, movies and comics.

Cruciferous posted...

freedom from tyranny and oppression of the faux eco movement!!!

You can still be free of that stuff, bro. Just don't buy it, then tell yourself you've done a good thing.

WoKe Is A CaNcEr To OuR vErY gReAt NaTiOn!

'MuRiCa! Fuck YeAh!

Yes
My bodily autonomy is compromised because I have to pay taxes

I mean, it's the "anti-woke" folks that are coming for everybody's rights ,trying to ban porn, attacking public education, banning history lessons, banning books, burning books, etc.

I don't know what "woke" has done, I just see MAGAs having conniption fits every time a POC or LGBTQ person is in a movie or tv show.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Yes
My bodily autonomy is compromised because I have to pay taxes

Talk about taxes costing an arm and leg...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/9/AAILB4AADdX9.jpg

Speaking as a white, ostensibly straight, masculine-presenting cis-male in his forties... lol no

Yes.

AmericaTheBrave posted...

Yes.

It must be tough having the cops called on you every time you jerk off in the park.

So a third of you have said it has, but we've yet to see an example. Why's that?

How would it?

I would say that echo-chamber culture and lack of tolerance towards diversity of opinion has been a bad thing for society and hurt society's freedoms. That isn't purely captured solely by the domain of "wokeness", but it is a non-trivial component.

Wokeness to me, often more reflects things like tropes in movies/shows that are simply shallow and reductive and kinda insult/hurt everybody. Though if I am going to interject my own personal point of view, as somebody who has struggled with severe clinical depression and mental health for most of my life, I certainly don't appreciate a show/movie implying that I'm a piece of shit simply because of my race or gender.

The worst thing about wokeness seems to be it's unwillingness to entertain any challenges or criticisms. IIRC Kendi pretty famously refused to have any sort of debate on his ideas. The core ideas of wokeness seem to largely work at a pretty shallow intellectual level in which they come up with arguments and policies with little to no evidence behind them, advocate for them as "anti-racist' and then claim on artificial literal construction level that people opposed to them are "anti-anti-racist" and thus racist. And frankly I'm surprised that such a gambit works on anybody older that 5 years old.

But even in engaging the question about my views on wokeness I'm somewhat playing into it, because the concept of "woke" is not sufficiently precisely defined to discuss too much. There are likely many policies that I support that might reasonable be called woke. So likely the more fruitful questions are more specifically defined.

Nope because I'm not a fragile racist with no social tact

joe40001 posted...

I would say that echo-chamber culture and lack of tolerance towards diversity of opinion has been a bad thing for society and hurt society's freedoms. That isn't purely captured solely by the domain of "wokeness", but it is a non-trivial component.

Wokeness to me, often more reflects things like tropes in movies/shows that are simply shallow and reductive and kinda insult/hurt everybody. Though if I am going to interject my own personal point of view, as somebody who has struggled with severe clinical depression and mental health for most of my life, I certainly don't appreciate a show/movie implying that I'm a piece of shit simply because of my race or gender.

The worst thing about wokeness seems to be it's unwillingness to entertain any challenges or criticisms. IIRC Kendi pretty famously refused to have any sort of debate on his ideas. The core ideas of wokeness seem to largely work at a pretty shallow intellectual level in which they come up with arguments and policies with little to no evidence behind them, advocate for them as "anti-racist' and then claim on artificial literal construction level that people opposed to them are "anti-anti-racist" and thus racist. And frankly I'm surprised that such a gambit works on anybody older that 5 years old.

But even in engaging the question about my views on wokeness I'm somewhat playing into it, because the concept of "woke" is not sufficiently precisely defined to discuss too much. There are likely many policies that I support that might reasonable be called woke. So likely the more fruitful questions are more specifically defined.

That's a lot of words to say no.

How could it?

I have to deal with the anti-woke movement, which means I'm seeing a lot of Ron DeSantis on TV. That sucks.

lilORANG posted...

I have to deal with the anti-woke movement, which means I'm seeing a lot of Ron DeSantis on TV. That sucks.

I'm Ron DeSantis, and I love you this much!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/6/AAeowgAAE9ae.jpg

joe40001 posted...

Wokeness to me, often more reflects things like tropes in movies/shows that are simply shallow and reductive and kinda insult/hurt everybody. Though if I am going to interject my own personal point of view, as somebody who has struggled with severe clinical depression and mental health for most of my life, I certainly don't appreciate a show/movie implying that I'm a piece of shit simply because of my race or gender.

Have you even entertained the possibility that the shows/movies aren't actually doing that and you're just seeing something that's not there because of confirmation bias? There's plenty of straight white cis males dealing with depression that don't have this problem.

Yes. My freedom has been restricted very painfully and in an unprofessional way.

GeraldDarko posted...

That's a lot of words to say no.

That's because I'm not saying no. I'm giving a more detailed and precise response to what I feel the question was asking in it's fullness.

If you want a one word answer, it would be "Somewhat".

I'm confused by your response. Are you just fishing for people to give a specific answer? Are you genuinely curious about people's perspective on the issue? Because if it's the latter I don't know why you took issue with my response.

Priere posted...

I have to rebuy shirts and hats for various sports teams so i dont get cancelled.

Implying that you have enough importance or public presence for anybody to want to "cancel" you.

joe40001 posted...

That's because I'm not saying no. I'm giving a more detailed and precise response to what I feel the question was asking in it's fullness.

If you want a one word answer, it would be "Somewhat".

I'm confused by your response. Are you just fishing for people to give a specific answer? Are you genuinely curious about people's perspective on the issue? Because if it's the latter I don't know why you took issue with my response.

I mean, you wrote four paragraphs and somehow still said absolutely nothing. Like, was that a copy pasta? Or is this a bit or something with which I'm not familiar?

@joe40001 what your discribing is pandering. Yes pandering is bad. No matter which group is the target audience. Shallow representation for the sake of more money is a bad thing.

Wokeness tends to change depending on who you ask

joe40001 posted...

That's because I'm not saying no. I'm giving a more detailed and precise response to what I feel the question was asking in it's fullness.

If you want a one word answer, it would be "Somewhat".

I'm confused by your response. Are you just fishing for people to give a specific answer? Are you genuinely curious about people's perspective on the issue? Because if it's the latter I don't know why you took issue with my response.

I'll ask to answer more directly, which freedoms have you lost? You gave me your thoughts on woke culture, some of which I agree with, but nothing you said described and impingement on your freedoms.

Reminder that joe numbers diversity of opinion often includes dangerous covid conspiracies.

spikethedevil posted...

Reminder that joe numbers diversity of opinion often includes dangerous covid conspiracies.

https://youtu.be/2vRiF48tq2A?si=rRWvytZ7oUfw3Ciu

Lol. It was just a reminder for everyone and not targeted at you specifically.

I'm not even sure what woke culture is. Is that being polite? Having common courtesy?

The god damn horror!

We generally look down on woke culture where I live.

mazingetter posted...

We generally look down on woke culture where I live.

And wheres that?

myusernameislame posted...

Have you even entertained the possibility that the shows/movies aren't actually doing that and you're just seeing something that's not there because of confirmation bias? There's plenty of straight white cis males dealing with depression that don't have this problem.

I always entertain the idea that I could be wrong. I try to check and challenge myself. But I've seen it many times both in subtext and text of lots of content. Have you entertained the idea that some shows/movies are actually doing that and you're just not seeing something that is there because of confirmation bias?

For example, would you say an ad like this is not making any sort of negative generalization about men:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYaY2Kb_PKI

Do you think an impressionable young man struggling with depression and very poor self-image viewing that ad would be totally wrong in thinking "oh, I guess I'm a piece of shit just for being a man"? Because personally I think that's a pretty understandable interpretation of that ad from that point of view.

Secondly I doubt there is much research on the subject, but I would be very surprised if most of the large demographics of men struggling with depression would argue that their representation in media had no negative impact on them. That's why some dumb people get triggered on dumb shit like pronouns in starfield. It's because pronouns remind them of wokeness, and wokeness reminds them of the 80 mainstream movies they've had to watch where their former role model Indiana Joneses and Luke Skywalkers are presented as pathetic pieces of shit that a plucky young girl needs to take to school because they are all just that dumb and pathetic. Particularly for people on the spectrum, like me, media can teach people how to view themselves and how they feel allowed to view themself. And if a lot of media shows the demographic you identify with as a "pathetic piece of shit punching bag", it is likely you will at least somewhat internalize that.

Heck, I remember watching re-runs of Everybody Loves Raymond when I was young, and I took Deborah's animosity and seeming total lack of romantic interest in Ray as indication that most women thought of their husbands as pathetic jokes that they didn't respect their partners and weren't truly romantically/sexually interested in.

It was honestly an epiphany to me when I came to understand some women genuinely like sex completely of their own volition and weren't doing it as a kind of charity humoring of their men romantic partners.

And that show wasn't even woke, it is just an example of how repeated tropes in media can shape how people perceive themself. And I acknowledge this cuts all ways. Only showing minorities as criminals, or women as sex objects, many more, all those are also things that will have negative impacts. However wokeness largely ignores the problem, it often just says straight men are dumb punchline buffoons and women and PoC are flawless, and in doings so it harms alls groups, and humanity itself as humanity is much more detailed than that.

IMO, you do the most good when you say "people aren't defined by identity characteristics, but by their character and humanity." and then you have large assortments of characters representing that. And most of the protagonists should probably be people with flaws who overcome them.

Maybe the whole "straight white men are pathetic punching bag" trope is something you haven't seen. It's not everywhere all the time. There are lots of good movies that don't have this problem. Additionally wokeness has been overstated, not every movie that gets called woke is actually woke (like Barbie which if you pay attention is actually sympathetic to the male victims of "patriarchy"). But on the whole, from my perspective there's been an undeniable trend of "straight men as either evil or pathetic dumb oaf punching bag". I'm very much not saying it's everywhere, it's mostly limited to corporate product movies that aren't made by passionate creatives but by greedy profit-driven virtue signaling companies who know the right kinds of tropes in their movie will get them a low-effort boost. But I'm also not saying it's nowhere.

And so, I'd be truly surprised if you truly believed that you haven't seen any of this kind of idea anywhere. I saw a whole open mic performance whose premise was "straight white men are awful and should hate themselves more." I didn't object because I strongly believe in free speech, but like yeah, I'm not making this up. It's a meme going around, and it's showed up in some movies. I'd expect there are probably a few people on CE who would even defend that take tbqh.

If you don't see it at all, I guess we just have fundamentally different perspectives.

joe40001 posted...

I always entertain the idea that I could be wrong.

We also do that.

The difference is that we are able to actually admit that you are.

God damn you really are just the worst. We need to work on getting you another suspension for anti-medicne disinformation so we can avoid the rest of your posts.

Even when you have no evidence of anything, you make giant posts about how you feel studies would probably agree with you. No one believes that you challenge yourself or are open to change.

omg
The last 4 paragraphs must have been too genius for my brain because his point escapes me. Can I get a tl;dr on that last mess?

Edit: GeraldDarko is me. Forgot I switch. Don't wanna seem like I'm agree with myself.

LordRazziel posted...

omg
The last 4 paragraphs must have been too genius for my brain because his point escapes me. Can I get a tl;dr on that last mess?

"Because a movie exists that has had a single change made because of a nebulous phantom of WoKe I have been oppressed."

mazingetter posted...

We generally look down on woke culture where I live.

I imagine you (your community) also generally look down on the acceptance of non-whites, non-Christians, women in prominent/leadership roles and non-heteronormative people, since that's what being anti-woke most accurately means when people complain about it.