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OudeGeuze 04/27/24 12:21:47 AM #1: |
Or is it in its own pocket universe?
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SSJKirby 04/27/24 12:22:07 AM #2: |
It's canon to the games, set after all of them
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nekrodev 04/27/24 12:22:35 AM #3: |
I think there's probably a bit of both - given the way the games seem to interact w/ each other from my experience.
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Senta 04/27/24 12:23:29 AM #4: |
It's completely, 100% canon, as confirmed by the creators. Takes place after the games.
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MorbidFaithless 04/27/24 12:24:09 AM #5: |
SSJKirby posted...
It's canon to the games, set after all of themThis is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk. --- walk like thunder ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 12:24:50 AM #6: |
yes. there is some shenanigans going on in regards to the timeline of certain events in the show compared to the timeline of New Vegas, but the showrunners and Todd Howard have all gone on record to say that all the games are canon, even New Vegas, and so whatever the explanation is, New Vegas still fits in there somehow. it's not really clear exactly how though, but presumably that will be cleared up in season 2.
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Senta 04/27/24 12:25:40 AM #7: |
MorbidFaithless posted...
This is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk. It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order. --- http://tinyurl.com/b95dwtg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 12:29:58 AM #8: |
Senta posted...
It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order.no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nekrodev 04/27/24 12:30:54 AM #9: |
DoesntMatter posted...
no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games. this has recent Warhammer vibes --- "To be, or not to be - there is no such question. To be! But to be what...?" FFBE friend ID - 432.640.287 - nekrodev ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OudeGeuze 04/27/24 12:36:14 AM #10: |
Senta posted...
It doesn't mess with any lore. Some purists raged that it did, but they were proven wrong in fairly short order.I'm only on episode 6 but --- O))) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 04/27/24 12:36:17 AM #11: |
I think there are only two things that really contradict the games, but I haven't played NV myself, so maybe I've missed something.
One is that there's a date of a major event which contradicts the events of NV pretty hard, but it's not the first time a series has fucked up a timeline by accident and I think there's some possible ambiguity as to what happened in that year. The other is that ghouls just don't work that way. In the show, --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MJOLNRVII 04/27/24 12:43:38 AM #12: |
So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it?
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 12:44:34 AM #13: |
DoesntMatter posted...
no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games. They are just little things, nothing super lore breaking honestly. It is blown way out of proportion. This is the closest a videogame show has come to feeling like the actual game and huge amounts lf care was put into it. --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 12:47:16 AM #14: |
OudeGeuze posted...
I'm only on episode 6 but --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CountCorvinus 04/27/24 12:52:02 AM #15: |
DoesntMatter posted...
no, they weren't "proven" wrong. more like they were told "trust us, it's all still canon, we didn't mess with any of the lore" without any actual explanation about how some things about the show aren't contradicting some things about the games.No, they explained it. Y'all just jumped to conclusions after misinterpreting a timeline on a chalk board. MJOLNRVII posted... So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it?Obsidian didn't work on the show. --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 04/27/24 12:55:39 AM #16: |
Tora_Sami posted...
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 12:58:52 AM #17: |
MJOLNRVII posted...
So the lesser Fallout devs are retconning multiple things and people are just buying it? Very small things that may have a explanation --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 1:01:24 AM #18: |
UnholyMudcrab posted...
Seems like it, maybe fallout 5 or season 2 will explain more. --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 1:10:11 AM #19: |
Tora_Sami posted...
They are just little things, nothing super lore breaking honestly.the things i'm talking about are the things that are mentioned in post #11, and they are not little things. the timeline of events surrounding NV and the show is a pretty big matter. and the second thing is super lore breaking, because it contradicts the way that all --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OudeGeuze 04/27/24 1:12:55 AM #20: |
CountCorvinus posted...
Obsidian didn't work on the show.Nobody actually thinks Bethesda FO games are better than New Vegas --- O))) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 1:12:56 AM #21: |
DoesntMatter posted...
the things i'm talking about are the things that are mentioned in post #11, and they are not little things. the timeline of events surrounding NV and the show is a pretty big matter. and the second thing is super lore breaking, because it contradicts the way that all What exactly contradicts new Vegas though? It has been 15 years since then. A lot could have happened. --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CountCorvinus 04/27/24 1:17:10 AM #22: |
OudeGeuze posted...
Nobody actually thinks Bethesda FO games are better than New Vegas Fallout 76 > New Vegas. --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 1:21:57 AM #23: |
CountCorvinus posted...
No, they explained it. Y'all just jumped to conclusions after misinterpreting a timeline on a chalk board.no, nobody "explained" it. Todd Howard in an interview said that "everything that happened in previous games, including New Vegas, happened [in the show]", and CountCorvinus posted... Obsidian didn't work on the show.and yeah, i can't believe i really just wasted all that time and effort typing up that rebuttal just for there to be this hot take --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CountCorvinus 04/27/24 1:32:33 AM #24: |
DoesntMatter posted...
and yeah, i can't believe i really just wasted all that time and effort typing up that rebuttal just for there to be this hot take Yeah, What you gonna do about it? Fallout 76 is better than New Vegas in every way. Better combat, better writing, better world, an incredible building system, and there's multiplayer. New Vegas was a great game, but it's not 2010 anymore. I'd even argue Fallout 4 is better than New Vegas. --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 1:38:30 AM #25: |
CountCorvinus posted...
Yeah,lol, nice dodge --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CountCorvinus 04/27/24 1:52:05 AM #26: |
DoesntMatter posted...
lol, nice dodge Dodging what? You want me to comment on the part of your post where you acknowledge Todd Howard literally explaining the timeline on the board, but you still having a problem with it because the show didn't explicitly Edit: spoilers --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 2:00:09 AM #27: |
DoesntMatter posted...
no, nobody "explained" it. Todd Howard in an interview said that "everything that happened in previous games, including New Vegas, happened [in the show]", and --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 2:13:07 AM #28: |
Tora_Sami posted...
that link makes no sense. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 04/27/24 2:16:01 AM #29: |
Hey...
Even people in the Fallout universe lies or remember the wrong dates. Just Saiyan. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 2:22:46 AM #30: |
DoesntMatter posted...
that link makes no sense. --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 2:38:06 AM #31: |
Tora_Sami posted...
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 2:43:52 AM #32: |
DoesntMatter posted...
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CountCorvinus 04/27/24 2:55:19 AM #33: |
pegusus123456 posted...
The other is that ghouls just don't work that way. In the show, The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. The Fallout show takes place after all the games, so I don't think it's that far fetched to believe Foppe posted... Hey... Exactly. Fallout is filled with unreliable narrators. --- "There's no return from darkness. There's no return, I promise." (THEY/THEM) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 3:26:23 AM #34: |
CountCorvinus posted...
The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. The Fallout show takes place after all the games, so I don't think it's that far fetched to believe --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 04/27/24 4:00:28 AM #35: |
CountCorvinus posted...
The ways ghouls "work" have changed over the course of the Fallout series, and this is probably one the least drastic things they've done. Tora_Sami posted... Yeah, it's definitely something they could explain, but the show presents it as just a natural fact of ghouls. --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuerrillaSoldier 04/27/24 5:24:31 AM #36: |
is there even any established lore that is supposed to determine exactly how radiation affects ghouls and whether or not literally ever ghoul experiences the same thing in the exact same way? is there any possibility that within the years between the games and show, that understandings and beliefs can change?
also shady sands =/= ncr. the same way there are literally multiple brotherhoods that have conflicting ideologies. literally every incarnation of the BoS has been different (3 even has two, with the outcasts). one could argue that potentially the only faction that is complete and the same across the wasteland is the enclave and even that's unknown because it's never been fully established. imo these nitpicks amount more to "there isn't any established lore but this is what we assume from the games" and less of "these are solid retcons that have changed the world of fallout" --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 04/27/24 6:05:48 AM #37: |
About the ghoul thing, l think part of it has to do with psychology.
Not everybody are affected the same, some turn feral directly while others regain their mind, their humanity. We have seen time after time that ghouls that have found a purpose in life doesnt seem to turn that easily, so what if losing your purpose or giving up or life is the last mental block that prevents you from going feral? The whole drug thing could be a placebo, and a local ancedote about how Bob turned after stopping with the medication can make them believe that it works. And believing that it works can be a mental block that prevents them from turning. They are probably addicted to it as well. ...yes, l know that ghouls cant get addicted, but what if the body actually gets addicted but they cant feel it? Stopping with the drugs might just feel like the difference between opening and closing your hand, you feel that there is a difference but you dont think about it. So they feel that something happen when they stop with the drug and believes that it might be the start of going feral. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chukklez17dc 04/27/24 6:13:02 AM #38: |
I can't believe people are getting so mad about the lore being "messed with" people don't have to consider it canon if they're gonna be babies about it
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Enclave 04/27/24 6:18:43 AM #39: |
The only egregious problem is
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Frolex 04/27/24 6:21:22 AM #40: |
While the stuff like"ghouls need drugs to keep from going feral" is an obvious retcon regardless of how much people want to cope otherwise, the lore changes in the show
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Tora_Sami 04/27/24 6:23:12 AM #41: |
Enclave posted...
The only egregious problem is In all honesty, in all honesty. The fact that these are literally the only two issues of the show, is just a testament to how much love they put into it. How well it was directed, wrote, and acted is astounding. I think people have a couple more or so minor issues, but if this is what we got compared to almost any other videogame show. Consider us lucky as fuck and that the bad plot points, while annoying, can be looked over or head canoned or even if it is a huge issue, I'm sure everyone is still interested into what season 2 does. That alone is epic. --- Asus E-gaming z490 | 10700k | DDR4 32gb 3200mhz | Asus TUF 3080ti | 1000 watt | Corsair H100i 240 | G7 Odyssey 32" | Orion Spark | Proteus Core ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 04/27/24 7:13:42 AM #42: |
Tora_Sami posted...
In all honesty, in all honesty. The fact that these are literally the only two issues of the show, is just a testament to how much love they put into it. How well it was directed, wrote, and acted is astounding. I think people have a couple more or so minor issues, but if this is what we got compared to almost any other videogame show. Consider us lucky as fuck and that the bad plot points, while annoying, can be looked over or head canoned or even if it is a huge issue, I'm sure everyone is still interested into what season 2 does. That alone is epic. Oh, yeah, I'm not complaining. I actually like the show more than the Bethesda made Fallout games. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OudeGeuze 04/27/24 9:37:27 AM #43: |
CountCorvinus posted...
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 10:23:21 AM #44: |
Tora_Sami posted...
That's how they are using it in the show.no it's not --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LonelyStoner 04/27/24 10:26:45 AM #45: |
MorbidFaithless posted...
This is what I've heard as well. Apparently it's messing with some lore from older games but idk.It hasnt messed with any of the lore aside from some minor timeline changes. All the games still happened in the show. --- He's all alone through the day and night. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 04/27/24 10:28:24 AM #46: |
pegusus123456 posted...
i was gonna bring that up but tbh i can't remember if it's been concretely established that it will --- It don't matter. None of this matters. he/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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